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Fictional "Villains" Who Did Nothing Wrong Thread

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The original Peter Pan storiess are extremely dark and almost horror-ish when you look closely at them. Kind of like a lot of old fairy tales.

The thing is, Peter Pan murdered any Lost Boy who grew up. Hook is a former Lost Boy who just barely managed to get away (with one hand in the bargain) and the pirates are actually all Lost Boys he rescued from Peter culling them.

Hook not only did nothing wrong, he was maimed in the process and he's spent his entire life trying to save Lost Boys from being betrayed and murdered. Hook is a real hero.
 

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...you’re joking about Palpatine, right?
half-joking. Most villains get a few obligatory ridiculously over the top and unnecessary bits of villainy to make sure that we all know they're villains. Also a lot depends on what canon we're considering canonical. Palpatine doesn't actually do much either way in the OT. In the PT, Palpatine is generally correct about the state of the Republic, and at least in Legends, regardless of how well you think the Empire would have done against the Yuuzhan Vong compared to the Galactic Alliance, the Old Republic would have got steamrolled. However, he does also start essentially a false flag war to gain power and massacres the Jedi, including the younglings, which is unjustified and unnecessary.
 

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He starts off as a powerless innocent bystander. Then his house gets blown up as collateral damage during an invasion by a fleet of superpowered aliens who want to enslave humanity and conquer the earth, his father loses his steelworking job that paid most of his family's bills due to competition with imported alien Nth Metal, he gets stabbed with a six-inch bone stinger by the reflexive action of an alien he was trying to protect from anti-alien bigots and is accused of being the attacker since they ran away, he loses his teaching job for complaining about all this within earshot of an alien student and his father is collateral damage in an alien attempt at terraforming earth, genociding humanity in the process.

So he snaps, puts on a mask and founds guerrilla XCOM.
 

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He starts off as a powerless innocent bystander. Then his house gets blown up as collateral damage during an invasion by a fleet of superpowered aliens who want to enslave humanity and conquer the earth, his father loses his steelworking job that paid most of his family's bills due to competition with imported alien Nth Metal, he gets stabbed with a six-inch bone stinger by the reflexive action of an alien he was trying to protect from anti-alien bigots and is accused of being the attacker since they ran away, he loses his teaching job for complaining about all this within earshot of an alien student and his father is collateral damage in an alien attempt at terraforming earth, genociding humanity in the process.

So he snaps, puts on a mask and founds guerrilla XCOM.
Didn't that show also have an alien President who was elected under false pretences of having been born on Earth?
 

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The original Peter Pan storiess are extremely dark and almost horror-ish when you look closely at them. Kind of like a lot of old fairy tales.

The thing is, Peter Pan murdered any Lost Boy who grew up. Hook is a former Lost Boy who just barely managed to get away (with one hand in the bargain) and the pirates are actually all Lost Boys he rescued from Peter culling them.

Hook not only did nothing wrong, he was maimed in the process and he's spent his entire life trying to save Lost Boys from being betrayed and murdered. Hook is a real hero.
Yeah, no; I'm not sure where you got that from, but none of that is in anything J. M. Barrie wrote.
 

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That's a fanon theory. What is canon is that Pan "thins out" the Lost Boys when there are too many of them or they are getting too old, but it is never explicitly stated what this means.
Never stated, but those words have clear associations with them. Such as removing unwanted vegetation, or culling animal populations. Thinning out is to make sparse, and there are certain associations when we talking about making people sparse.
 

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Ah yes, you mean the local facist dictator who sought to engange in wars of conquest, used concentration camps against Undesirables and was implied to be running a Stalinist style industirialization scheme?

Seems alright to me!

Not to say she could not of been handled better (for that matter the whole show of Legend Of Korra after season 1) but to say she did nothing wrong is rather suspect to me.
 

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Hum, No Villains that did nothing wrong come to mind per se, most still did a lot of wrong, but quite a few had a point, or several.

Off the top of my head, Lex Luthor? Though his execution leave much to be desired and he is motivated by pure Ego, I guess I kinda agree with him in regard to Superman?

Who else?
I guess the Enclave as a whole, if they weren’t evil stupid in the games. (Sigh)

Hum, Ocelot too? and I suppose most people that opposed the Patriots in MGS.

Illusive man, same problem as Lex.
 

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Ah yes, you mean the local facist dictator who sought to engange in wars of conquest, used concentration camps against Undesirables and was implied to be running a Stalinist style industirialization scheme?

Seems alright to me!

Not to say she could not of been handled better (for that matter the whole show of Legend Of Korra after season 1) but to say she did nothing wrong is rather suspect to me.
Neolib detected.

Republic City was rightful Earth Empire clay. The idea that industrialization is somehow inherently Stalinist is ridiculous, and the Earth Kingdom badly needed it to avoid being reduced to a backwater for the more industrialized Fire Nation, Republic City, and Northern Water tribe to exploit. After unifying the nation and putting an end to a great deal of bandits, there's going to be a need for camps. Rounding up the benders who weren't Earth benders also felt tacked on as hell, it seemed like it was done because she needed to be the "bad guy" but the writing had been treating her like one since she refused to hand over the nation she rebuilt to a useless fop who would have been the puppet king of the "international community."
 

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I mean, Republic City hadn't been EK land for over a hundred years at that point and IIRC it was ceded in a treaty or similar.
Any treaty signed immediately post-Hundred Years War in which the Earth Kingdom did not have the support of the Avatar was effectively signed at gunpoint, since it was just pretty definitively shown that the Fire Nation could take whatever they wanted if they wanted to. Also, a hundred years is no time at all compared to the "since time immemorial" that the four nations lived in harmony.

Also Republic City was literally the worst country in the ATLA universe, literally just a new york rat's idea of what America is stuck in ATLA for no good reason, and Spirit-Vine Nuking it is justified on that basis alone.
 

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Neolib detected.

Republic City was rightful Earth Empire clay. The idea that industrialization is somehow inherently Stalinist is ridiculous, and the Earth Kingdom badly needed it to avoid being reduced to a backwater for the more industrialized Fire Nation, Republic City, and Northern Water tribe to exploit. After unifying the nation and putting an end to a great deal of bandits, there's going to be a need for camps. Rounding up the benders who weren't Earth benders also felt tacked on as hell, it seemed like it was done because she needed to be the "bad guy" but the writing had been treating her like one since she refused to hand over the nation she rebuilt to a useless fop who would have been the puppet king of the "international community."
You mean the free nation that was established to first prevent ethnic cleansing (of the Fire Earth meld that came from the Colonies) and second to help build a US style melting pot for Co exsistence? Which had been signed away by the Earth King a Hundred years ago and was sponsered by basically a Divine repesentative on Earth in the Avatar Universe? As for industurilization, I dont contend that its nessicarrily Stalinist, Im just remebering how she did it, which if were to belive Jinora and the Air Nomads (Admittedly Biased source, but looking from her actions and general charecter of Strong Man Dicator, Ill tend to belive them tbh) they have policies that after they leave, they immediately begin to start taking food and building up shit,complete with forcing local labor in the project. Sounds rather Stalinist to me. And while it may of been "Tacked on" it both most certainly happened and should be taken into consideration. Also, It was rather clear she was the bad guy long before she raised the finger to whats his name. Her every action and attitude sorta evoked "Im a Miltarist dictator and I like it!"...


Any treaty signed immediately post-Hundred Years War in which the Earth Kingdom did not have the support of the Avatar was effectively signed at gunpoint, since it was just pretty definitively shown that the Fire Nation could take whatever they wanted if they wanted to. Also, a hundred years is no time at all compared to the "since time immemorial" that the four nations lived in harmony.

Also Republic City was literally the worst country in the ATLA universe, literally just a new york rat's idea of what America is stuck in ATLA for no good reason, and Spirit-Vine Nuking it is justified on that basis alone.
I remeber that comic rather diffrently, what with how the Earth Kingdom was completely willing to roll the fuck in there under Kuei, until the Avatar came along and stopped them. Now that May be holding a gun to a guys head, but its not the FN holding the gun, its Aang, the divine repesentative on Earth and designated protagonist...So yeah, no.
 
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Galbatorix from The Inheritance Cycle.

The man overthrew a corrupt Oligarchy of immortal Dragon Riders, who hid away technological innovation that they considered 'too dangerous' and kept the land in a state of a perpetual status quo, allowing corrupt human rulers to avoid any possible overthrow which further enabled more corruption.

Is he a perfect or a completely good man? I wouldn't argue that, his quest was started for petty revenge by his own admission, but his end goal of restricting magic usage and corruption is good even if self serving.

In any case he's still better than the farmboy, illiterate, self made, wannabe half elf freak protagonist who gleefully condemns blind men to a fate worse than death and kills people who beg for mercy and, promptly shrugs it off moments later.
 
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