Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

Rocinante

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So the Dems are crowing about Dominion winning yet back in 2016 they were screaming about Russian Hackers attacking our election. So it only counts if they lose?
When dems lose its okay to start a years long fabrication into Russian interference, claim Republicans cheated, and impeach the president.

When dems win, questioning the election is anti democratic and dangerous, and should be banned and censored.

We live in a two tiered system.
 

Megadeath

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My dude, You weren't doing too bad against Vyor, but you don't get to compare Trump, his followers and his rallies to Nazis and then demand we change the subject back to the other debate. This isn't SB and you aren't a moderator here.

You do something like that and you're gonna get pushback for it.
Jeez, it's like a broken record... I didn't compare trump to hitler. I didn't compare his moronic adherents to nazis. I did compare the rallies of the two groups, for reasons I've stated repeatedly. I'm going to get pushback? OK, consider my shit pushed back. There isn't exactly a great deal of substance to it, and the repetition is pointless and annoying. I didn't "demand" anything though. I asked if there was any further discussion of the topic.

As for the SB bit, do you realise that I've been a member here for longer than I was there? I was certainly a member there for far less time than plenty others on this forum. I was a demi-mod of vs debate for all of a couple months. Yes I realise this isn't SB, and the odd importance some people attach to my previous membership there despite there own is always slightly perplexing.

When dems lose its okay to start a years long fabrication into Russian interference, claim Republicans cheated, and impeach the president.

When dems win, questioning the election is anti democratic and dangerous, and should be banned and censored.

We live in a two tiered system.
There was plenty of reason to investigate russian interference, when half of trumps team were meeting semi-regularly with russians or there known agents, and when trump himself literally called, at on of his grandiose rallies, for the russians to interfere.
I'm not familiar with any particular claims of republican cheating after the trump election. Could you point me towards some?
And the impeachment had barely anything to do with the subject, so I don't see why you'd bring it up in connection?

I don't think the issue is questioning the election that democrats won, it's the refusing to accept answers to those questions where it becomes a conspiracy narrative that's an issue. Every question asked has been answered, often in a court of law. Every bit of evidence has been examined and explained or discredited, often in court too. The people who peddled that false narrative are now seeing their lies illuminated for what they are. The courts, the government, the regulatory bodies, and judging by the last elections, the majority of the population of America, simply don't believe and don't care, and the endless repetition in the face of all evidence starts to sound like a minority group that wants to impose their beliefs on the democratic system, and reality itself, and don't much care for the expressed will of the people.
 

Rocinante

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Jeez, it's like a broken record... I didn't compare trump to hitler. I didn't compare his moronic adherents to nazis. I did compare the rallies of the two groups, for reasons I've stated repeatedly. I'm going to get pushback? OK, consider my shit pushed back. There isn't exactly a great deal of substance to it, and the repetition is pointless and annoying. I didn't "demand" anything though. I asked if there was any further discussion of the topic.

As for the SB bit, do you realise that I've been a member here for longer than I was there? I was certainly a member there for far less time than plenty others on this forum. I was a demi-mod of vs debate for all of a couple months. Yes I realise this isn't SB, and the odd importance some people attach to my previous membership there despite there own is always slightly perplexing.


There was plenty of reason to investigate russian interference, when half of trumps team were meeting semi-regularly with russians or there known agents, and when trump himself literally called, at on of his grandiose rallies, for the russians to interfere.
I'm not familiar with any particular claims of republican cheating after the trump election. Could you point me towards some?
And the impeachment had barely anything to do with the subject, so I don't see why you'd bring it up in connection?

I don't think the issue is questioning the election that democrats won, it's the refusing to accept answers to those questions where it becomes a conspiracy narrative that's an issue. Every question asked has been answered, often in a court of law. Every bit of evidence has been examined and explained or discredited, often in court too. The people who peddled that false narrative are now seeing their lies illuminated for what they are. The courts, the government, the regulatory bodies, and judging by the last elections, the majority of the population of America, simply don't believe and don't care, and the endless repetition in the face of all evidence starts to sound like a minority group that wants to impose their beliefs on the democratic system, and reality itself, and don't much care for the expressed will of the people.
Bro, the democrats literally objected to more states in the 2016 election than the Republicans did in the 2020 election.


The Russian collision? The impeachment that lead to? It was all a a hoax. Ot was based off the Steele Dossier. It was all a lie. The source was arrested for it.



Idk why xf is turning this into a media link. It is not intended to be.

Try this
 

Megadeath

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There is and has never been any evidence Russia interfered in the election
Yes there is. The degree it effected things, and whether it was done in conjunction with trump or just in support of him is debatable. That they tried to fuck around with it really is not. Russia tries to fuck with any and all elections.

Bro, the democrats literally objected to more states in the 2016 election than the Republicans did in the 2020 election.

The Russian collision? The impeachment that lead to? It was all a a hoax. Ot was based off the Steele Dossier. It was all a lie. The source was arrested for it.

Idk why xf is turning this into a media link. It is not intended to be.
The thing about the democrat party objections is they made them, followed them through the appropriate channels, and then dropped them when they didn't work out. Can you find me a single instance of anyone (significant, not a forum rando) claiming even a year into trump's presidency that it involved chicanery beyond him duping idiots?

The "trump dossier" was an overblown steaming pile of shit flung at trump. That wasn't the sole basis for claims of collusion with russia though.
Nor was it actually particularly related to the impeachment. He wasn't impeached at any time for colluding with russia. He was impeached for trying to strong arm ukraine into backing an investigation of his political opponent.
 

Zachowon

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Yes there is. The degree it effected things, and whether it was done in conjunction with trump or just in support of him is debatable. That they tried to fuck around with it really is not. Russia tries to fuck with any and all elections.


The thing about the democrat party objections is they made them, followed them through the appropriate channels, and then dropped them when they didn't work out. Can you find me a single instance of anyone (significant, not a forum rando) claiming even a year into trump's presidency that it involved chicanery beyond him duping idiots?

The "trump dossier" was an overblown steaming pile of shit flung at trump. That wasn't the sole basis for claims of collusion with russia though.
Nor was it actually particularly related to the impeachment. He wasn't impeached at any time for colluding with russia. He was impeached for trying to strong arm ukraine into backing an investigation of his political opponent.
Om regards of who won is what I was referring too
 

49ersfootball

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Howdy from the Alamo City folks. Sounds like Biden will officially launch his reelection campaign on Tuesday of this week. Any thoughts on Biden campaigning for reelection ?
 

Megadeath

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Howdy from the Alamo City folks. Sounds like Biden will officially launch his reelection campaign on Tuesday of this week. Any thoughts on Biden campaigning for reelection ?
It's gonna be dull. He'll misspeak probably at least once per public speech. He'll forget the gist of what he's talking about several times on the campaign trail, particularly towards the end.
 

DarthOne

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Howdy from the Alamo City folks. Sounds like Biden will officially launch his reelection campaign on Tuesday of this week. Any thoughts on Biden campaigning for reelection ?
Will probably be like his last one. That is he barely does anything but still manages to win the Most Secure Election Ever by the Modt Votes.

…at which point we see if the Right is willing to put its money we’re it’s mouth is or not.
 

Sergeant Foley

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Will probably be like his last one. That is he barely does anything but still manages to win the Most Secure Election Ever by the Modt Votes.

…at which point we see if the Right is willing to put its money we’re it’s mouth is or not.
Speculation is swirling DeSantis might announc his presidential campaign following the legislative session next month.
 

Sergeant Foley

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I don’t think he has the support. And even if he does, the media will just slander and make him just as divisive as Trump. If they don’t? Be VERY suspicious.
I've also heard the Florida State Legislature is pushing to make changes to that quirky law which could allow DeSantis to hold the Governorship while campaigning for the Presidency in 2024.

Something tells me it'll be fixed.
 

Bigking321

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The more I hear the more I don't trust it.

He's doing great as governor. He can wait 4 years.

Running now would only be the establishment trying to sabotage Trump. DeSantis should be really concerned about being associated with the establishment. If he's not worried about it... not a good look.
 

LordsFire

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Yes there is. The degree it effected things, and whether it was done in conjunction with trump or just in support of him is debatable. That they tried to fuck around with it really is not. Russia tries to fuck with any and all elections.


The thing about the democrat party objections is they made them, followed them through the appropriate channels, and then dropped them when they didn't work out. Can you find me a single instance of anyone (significant, not a forum rando) claiming even a year into trump's presidency that it involved chicanery beyond him duping idiots?

The "trump dossier" was an overblown steaming pile of shit flung at trump. That wasn't the sole basis for claims of collusion with russia though.
Nor was it actually particularly related to the impeachment. He wasn't impeached at any time for colluding with russia. He was impeached for trying to strong arm ukraine into backing an investigation of his political opponent.

You are living in a fantasy world.

1. The Steel Dossier was explicitly the source used to justify much of the beginnings of the investigation.
2. Trump made a joke at a public rally. It was obviously a joke, it was not a subtle joke, yet the Democrats and their toadies keep insisting this was a super-serious attempt by Trump to get Russia to commit espionage. It was as blatant a lie as it was pathetic. That you are actually taking this blatant lie seriously makes it clear that you are willingly buying into leftist propaganda lies.
3. The courts did not appropriately or adequately handle accusations of corruption into the 2020 elections. Lawsuits brought before hand were often dismissed for 'lack of injury/standing,' and lawsuits brought afterwards were mostly kicked out without the evidence even being examined. Yes, some were handled, and fascinatingly they were generally the ones that were the least well-put-together, and the media strangely focused exclusively on those.

There is a laundry list of claims of corruption that had extremely serious evidence supporting them. The Maricopa County investigation alone proved that there were enough mail-in ballots counted that didn't even have signatures on the envelopes they came in to swing the state of Arizona, and that's before you get into all the other issues.

More recently, it has come out that enough people born in Wisconsin in, IIRC, '1910' voted to swing that state.

There is footage showing illegal ballots arriving at counting centers.

There is footage of ballots literally being pulled out from under tables after the election observers left for the night.

Some idiot actually ran a major article explaining how the election had been 'fortified.'

The most decisive indicator of all that funny business was up though, is how much leftist social media will ban people for bringing it up, and how they have to use the term 'conspiracy theorist' to try to poison the well of the argument. Yet, for some reason, Hillary doesn't get in trouble for continuing to insist that she really won the 2016 election, and neither do those supporting her.

They wouldn't be trying so hard to suppress the message if they weren't afraid of its contents.

I could go on for literal hours with various arguments demonstrating the absurdity of the 'securest election ever,' but I'll leave it at this:

What, exactly, is it about Biden that's supposed to have won him the most votes ever? The man who barely campaigned, was in visible mental and physical decline, and has a history of racist remarks? What is it about him that people loved so much to push him past Trump, who won substantially more votes than he did the first time?
 
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Sobek

Disgusting Scalie
The ammount of denial on the 2020 election, and the US electoral system in general, is insane.

No one will admit the system is full of holes and opaque as shit. No one will admit the current system is pretty much BEGGING for people to misunderstand it and makes acusations of fraud extremely easy to look likely and extremely hard to disprove. No one will address the retardation of a country of 300+ million not having a voter ID system in place when it is such a hotspot for immigration.

It is really like the "There is no war in Ba Sing Se" of the current era. No one wants to try and reform the system to stop 2020 happening again because doing so would be admitting the system os something other than perfect, divinely ordained Democracy™️ and that would be too much of a sin.
 

Bacle

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The more I hear the more I don't trust it.

He's doing great as governor. He can wait 4 years.

Running now would only be the establishment trying to sabotage Trump. DeSantis should be really concerned about being associated with the establishment. If he's not worried about it... not a good look.
In politics, sometimes you only get one shot, and if you miss it you don't get another.

DeSantis is good for 2024; for 2028...that is a different question for a different time.

Trump is more of hindrance than a help to the movement he created at this point, and the Dems very much want him, and not DeSantis, to run in 2024.

The campaign against DeSantis 2024 by ever-Trumpers and others reaks of petty spite, stubborn pride, and a desire to think that Trump is still the 'savior' of the US Right.
 

Megadeath

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The Dems cry out that Voter ID is racist and a way to curtail elections. Maybe we should demand they prove this in a court of law?
You can't just "demand they prove" something in court. You have to bring suit for laws broken, or injury caused. Or alternatively, have such rules imposed somewhere and let them bring suit against it. Your post sounds like angsty teen edge lord stupidity. I'm sure you're better than that.

You are living in a fantasy world.

1. The Steel Dossier was explicitly the source used to justify much of the beginnings of the investigation.
Were they supposed to know before investigating it that it was shit? Should they have stopped looking into the actual concerns raised by that investigation just because the initial source was unsound?
2. Trump made a joke at a public rally. It was obviously a joke, it was not a subtle joke, yet the Democrats and their toadies keep insisting this was a super-serious attempt by Trump to get Russia to commit espionage. It was as blatant a lie as it was pathetic. That you are actually taking this blatant lie seriously makes it clear that you are willingly buying into leftist propaganda lies.
Oh! It's a joke! I get it. It's hilarious! He asked a country, known for meddling in democracies overseas, which is inimicable to the US led order, who's brutal dictator he's repeatedly expressed admiration for, to interfere with an election but he didn't really mean it! God, it's so obvious now. And if that dictator he's tried so hard to upsell had actually done it, why that would just be putin not getting the joke too!

What, exactly, makes it a joke?
3. The courts did not appropriately or adequately handle accusations of corruption into the 2020 elections. Lawsuits brought before hand were often dismissed for 'lack of injury/standing,' and lawsuits brought afterwards were mostly kicked out without the evidence even being examined. Yes, some were handled, and fascinatingly they were generally the ones that were the least well-put-together, and the media strangely focused exclusively on those.
I'm quite happy to go through those cases one by one, if you feel like it. I will bet you real money you can't find one that actually could represent standing and and was kicked for lacking it. Or find one dismissed without consideration that didn't deserve it. The cases heard weren't "the ones that were the least well-put-together". They were the only ones that hit the bare minimum requirements and they all got torn to shreds under any kind of serious examination.
There is a laundry list of claims of corruption that had extremely serious evidence supporting them. The Maricopa County investigation alone proved that there were enough mail-in ballots counted that didn't even have signatures on the envelopes they came in to swing the state of Arizona, and that's before you get into all the other issues.
No, it didn't. There's a claim of forged signatures on ballots, and that claim is BS.
More recently, it has come out that enough people born in Wisconsin in, IIRC, '1910' voted to swing that state.
This seems to be entirely your imagination.
There is footage showing illegal ballots arriving at counting centers.
There is footage showing all sorts of things. There is no footage that proves or even suggests convincingly that Illegal ballots arriving anywhere. How would footage even show that? Does it follow a truck rocking up to the center, follow containers inside, then show them opened to reveal ballots marked "fake"?
There is footage of ballots literally being pulled out from under tables after the election observers left for the night.
Did they somehow stack up massive piles of fake ballots under the tables whilst the observers were still there? Should the government employees tasked to complete the count ASAP stop counting because the volunteers got tired and left for the night?
Some idiot actually ran a major article explaining how the election had been 'fortified.'
And did you actually read that article, dumbass? Does it reveal and discuss illegal behaviour? Or talk about some grand conspiracy to undermine democracy? Coz pretty sure when I read it, it just talked about the same kind of shit that has always been done by both side, in every election.
The most decisive indicator of all that funny business was up though, is how much leftist social media will ban people for bringing it up, and how they have to use the term 'conspiracy theorist' to try to poison the well of the argument. Yet, for some reason, Hillary doesn't get in trouble for continuing to insist that she really won the 2016 election, and neither do those supporting her.

They wouldn't be trying so hard to suppress the message if they weren't afraid of its contents.
Hahaha! The most decisive indicator is that social media will ban you for peddling it? So, now you're pro toddler rape and murdering everyone darker than chalk? Coz ya know, they'll ban you for peddling that bullshit too. But after all "They wouldn't be trying so hard to suppress the message if they weren't afraid of its contents." As for Hilary election denial, show me some. There's plenty of talk about her winning the popular vote. Because she did. There aren't dozens of frivolous lawsuits from her and her supporters seeking to overturn the election, because that's idiotic. There's no lunatic fringe claiming she actually won the 2016 election and has been running the government in secret from some bunker, just waiting to impose martial law and sweet up every right wing voter in the country. There aren't claims from major media channels that actually she did win the election but magic technology lied in her favour.
I could go on for literal hours with various arguments demonstrating the absurdity of the 'securest election ever,' but I'll leave it at this:

What, exactly, is it about Biden that's supposed to have won him the most votes ever? The man who barely campaigned, was in visible mental and physical decline, and has a history of racist remarks? What is it about him that people loved so much to push him past Trump, who won substantially more votes than he did the first time?
I know a crazy homeless guy who can go on for hours about the aliens that turned him into a man when he really, truly, used to be a dog. Doesn't make it true.

As for what pushed Biden over the line? He wasn't trump. Effectively 0% of democrat voters were ever likely to swing to trump. Simultaneously, trump alienated plenty of republicans. There were entire republic movements against him. Sure he got plenty of votes, because he's (For some reason.) incredibly motivating for a specific type of idiot. He's also insanely divisive. trump burned many, many bridges. He never built a single one. Do you think trump ever did a single solitary thing to change the minds of people who didn't like him to start with? Can you not see how plenty of his choices, stances and behaviours would drive away some of the people who did?
 

Sobek

Disgusting Scalie
We have footage of the Georgia count where they claimed a pipe burst and sent people home, then the government drones came back and started counting ballots again without anyone around. No one ever explained why they lied about the plumbing issue, or why it was allowed to count votes without supervision as is the law. Showing the video of ot only makes people go into gaslight mode about how it is not sus at all stop talking about it.

Also fucking hilarious how you ignore the Steele dossier was faked by the very people who would be investigating Trump Megadeath. Not only that you then go full retard and contradict yourself by complaining that the suits about election fraud needed to have "proof" to go ahead and not just be a suit to demand evidence, when the Steele dossier did EXACTLY THAT. And of course you woukd read the Time article and be all like "oh a huge network of politicians and bussinesspeople just got together to pressure judges not to take legal challenges about the election seriously no big deal super normal guys!"

Also fuck off with DeSantis the both of you. He is not the guy. The fact he refuses to admit he wants to run in 2024 openly and is instead doing this faggy "oh I am not running I just so happen to go on a book tour while also cozying up to big donors for election ads guys!" is disgusting and pathetic. He is biting the hand that raised him up and trying to be something he obviously isn't.

Both of you sound like pussywhiped losers. Not because of the election denial thing, let's be clear, there is no proof either way thanks to the ammount of fuckery that went on, but because of this retarded "Oh Trump has too much baggage we need to move on" when you both know for a fact the same people who literally faked dossiers and had glowniggers lie under oath to sabotage Trump are gonna do the exact same shit again to stop DeSantis, and unlike Trump he is likely to just bend to the pressure.

You both are the sort of "we have to lose with dignity guys" eternal GOP losers that keep the party down. I am willing to bet both of you also think the 2022 midterms were not a huge R win because of too many "hard MAGA" and not enough "reasonable centrists" right?

For the love of God fuck off with letting the left set the rules and have the final say about all confrontations and engagements. You are never gonna win by refusing to rise up to the challenge.
 

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