Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow
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Floridaman
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..... given the people who are rotten control the agencies, how do you plan on that, because that would require a purge that would make Stalin blush.
It does require a purge, but not necessarily a bloody one.
Really need hard control of congress to pass a budget and REALLY reduce funding to the agencies/bureaus. Couple that with getting Directors that are unafraid to just tear our the rot, and they have an easy out. Lack of funding means they have to get rid of a lot of people. Just start raking them out the door.
NOT EASY.
WILL BE MIGHTILY RESISTED.
MUST BE DONE.
He's relying on the power of wishful thinking, and trying to ignore how the Swamp reacted to Trump's attempt to deal with the corruption in DC.
The military mindset of a single soldier being able to make a difference between victory and defeat means they also forget that the same does not apply in long term domestic politics.
There are no silver bullets that will fix the problem, no single sacrifices that could change the course of history, and only hard, grinding, decades long work against a rot that already has a several decade headstart.
The GOP is mostly controlled opposition when you get to the Congressional level; they care more about the DC consensus than the will/desire of their voters, particularly when some of them are in safe areas (ie Romney & Murkowski) or have such pull that they can make their districts 'safe' because they are in on the election rigging (McConnell).
Realistically, nothing is going to purge the rot, because a lot of the sources of it are behind closed doors, away from camera's or microphones, or in SCIFs where all the nice 'STATE SECRET' rules apply.
One person can always make a diffrence.
EO exist and can be made to purge groups
Sure, theoretically.
And theoretically Mike Pence didn't have to accept the fraudulent electoral college counts in 2020; but the reason he did allow the election to be stolen is same reason any EO of that type would die in SCOTUS or Congressional challenges.
Whispering Monk's idea of Congressional defunding is more realistic, if only slightly, and even then it just means the corrupt parts would likely take more control by jettisoning 'good cops', who might blow the whistle on abuses, for 'budgetary reasons'.
I mean.
The executive order has been used for such things before havnt they
For entire dept level corruption purges, without Congressional or SCOTUS backing...no, no I don't think they have.
There have been organizational rebrandings/mission creep, but actual corruption purges of multiple agencies at multiple levels has not ever actually happened in the US, from what I can remember of US civics history.
The closest would have been some the anti-Confederate laws enacted after 1865 to keep former officers from trying to gain public or political power again, and even those were effectively toothless.
Floridaman
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Because people obey the orders...... just like how the military pulled out of Syria when told to.... oh wait they just lied and said they did.
And had Trump known he could bypass the SECDEF but he didn't know.
The president has full control over the mikitary and does nit have to follow the chain of command
You seem to be ignoring that was Pence who made most personnel choices, and that the swamp creatures were loyal to him and the establishment over Trump.
They did not tell Trump things because most of DC was in on it, including your bosses.
but the military doesn't listen to the president if they don't want to
SchrodingersWehraboo
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Or they lied to him about things they weren’t really doing, such as pulling out of Syria.
I think things will be fixed, but we have the time line wrong and were talking about an issue that will take generations not just a few decades but generations to fix.
SchrodingersWehraboo
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What and who will there be left to fix things at the current pace of mass immigration, health problems, and/or “vaccine” disruptions?
the survivors......
SchrodingersWehraboo
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Umm, wait, what? The people least trusting are the most motivated to vote? Where did this come from? I thought they’d all just drop out of the whole. Especially with all those prepper nerds who turned “vote harder” into a mocking catch phrase.
Morphic Tide
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This is an entirely genuine possibility, because the Establishment apparatus only has proper control of a few counties out of each state, restricting them to a maximum of those county's population. For proper battleground states, it's not out of the question to get so many legitimate Republican votes that they'd have to have more ballots from those counties than there are legal voters living in them, making it a flat-out impossible victory because it required above 100% participation.
Pushing third-parties in those counties helps contribute to this, as it reduces the valid margin where Dems can cook the books unless they go through the vastly riskier process of removing ballots.