Actually there was an audit for 2016 but they stopped it when they found out most of the fraudulent votes they were finding were for Hilary......
Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow
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Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
Yeah I don't remember the complaints in 2016 being anywhere as big. Hillary conceded immediately, and the few people calling fraud mostly did it by either pushing a "Russia hacked voting machines" which was actually a misinterpretation of the Dem propaganda slant of blaming Russia or were shut up by the DNC themselves. There is even a video of the Jan 6th 2017 vote count where Biden tells a Dem to pretty much STFU about votes being invalid.
bintananth
behind a desk
I don't remember that ...
I do remember watching the early results heavily favoring Trump and a feeling of "welp, we lost" setting in quite early because the EC was not going Hillary's way from the beginning.
2020 was much closer on the EC front and came down to recounts and lawsuits, just like 2000 did.
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
What I'm saying is that it's nothing more than a crackpot conspiracy. Where did you even get you're info from anyway? From all you're ramblings on about "evidence", I see no citations to be found. Unless you can definitively give evidence instead of a 'take my word for it' I won't trust you on this.
Besides that, we need to wait for the presidential election to get Trump back in power. I haven't said anything about not doing anything now. Passing laws to correct the filibustering the politicians have caused. A good example of this is explained in this video, it's about how the Dems use New York to rule over the whole state even though the majority are Republican, and how it must be split.
Right now more state splits need to occur, as some states (such as California, New York and Illinois) are being drowned by the cities, while the rural are being drowned out.
That's all that I will say on the subject, as this is turning into a wall of words.
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
Honestly we need to be definitive about it. Find a set way to vote. This mail in shit ruins it. In person voting is necessary. No half-baked shit necessary.
bintananth
behind a desk
City dwellers outnumber country folks by about 5:1 in the US.
Maine is the least urban state in the US with country folks outnumbering city folks roughly 3:2. Biden won Maine by 9% so it's more than just the urban/rural divide indicates which party someone prefers.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
Well, the EC difference was basically the exact same in the end*, so maybe it was more that, regardless of whether you think that the late-counted Democratic-leaning votes were legitimate or not, what is beyond dispute is that they were counted later. So they were able to look at early results and say "welp there's no way Hillary's going to make that deficit up" but they couldn't say Biden was for sure going to make up his deficit.
Going by the official results (again, leaving aside the question of their correctness) either side could have changed the results in either election by flipping three states:
-In 2016, the 3 states that could be flipped for a win with the least votes were MI, WI, and PA, where Clinton was a total of less than 78k short.
-In 2020, the 3 states that could be flipped for a clean win with the least votes were GA, WI, and PA, where Trump was a total of just over 113k short.
-Also in 2020, the 3 states that could be flipped for an ugly as fuck win with the least votes were AZ, GA, and WI, where Trump was a total of less than 43k short. Assuming no defectors in the electoral college*, this would have produced a 269-269 tie, and the House of Representatives would, I presume, have given the win to Trump.
*There were defectors on both sides in 2016 but not in 2020.
(Of the 5 states that flipped, Trump's 2016 margins were much higher in GA and AZ (than the other three) and Biden's best margins were in PA and MI.)
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
Obviously, I live in a fairly rural region, and my parents are Democrats, even if my mom doesn't support Biden, though my dad does.
Some counties do go Democrat, but it's done based on the Independents. But in states such as California, Illinois and New York, the major cities ruled the state practically dictatorially, as smaller counties can't compete. Especially because these states are filibustered for the Democrats. Watch the video I linked and it explains it fairly well.
Bigking321
Well-known member
It might be worth going through this thread and looking at the things that have happened rather than demand citations as if it's the first time you've heard of any potential issues and it's completely ridiculous.
There was a entire forensic audit done. I know the media tried to bury it as hard as they could but please don't pretend anyone that thinks really scummy stuff happened during the election is a insane crackpot. That's just blatantly bad faith at this point.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
Do you mean gerrymandered? I watched your video but it didn't say anything about filibustering or Republicans being a majority in New York. It didn't mention gerrymandering either but that seems more obviously relevant to the topic than filibustering.
bintananth
behind a desk
There are those will vote straight ticket regardless of how horrible the candidate is.
Everyone else can be convinced, which is how we got stuff like "Rednecks for Obama" with the occasional Confederate flag tossed in for good measure back in '08.
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
Yeah, I think thats it. I'm tired rn. Getting words mixed up. Damned Dyslexia and memory problems keep ganging up on me in tandem.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
No problem. What I've heard about those three states (the biggest solidly Democratic ones) is:
-California doesn't have a partisan gerrymander, it's just that the state is that heavily Democratic.
-New York does, but it's not very aggressive, but they might be about to go for a more aggressive one.
-Illinois is already aggressively gerrymandered.
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VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
What I'm talking about is north california. They can hardly ever get a senator they like in, with Sacramento and Oakland right there. While I understand its fervently democrat, north California is republican, the coast is fanatically Democrat/Socialist, and the east/southern portions are swing counties.
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
at least from what I remember, I got to finish a thread up before going to bed. gotta get me some Bojangles in the morning...
bintananth
behind a desk
No worries.
No two English speakers use the exact same dialect of English. As long as the point is understood it's all good.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
Oh sure, there are deep red parts of California and they aren't very happy about the other 90% of the state*, but that's not really gerrymandering. There are a few states that are arguably gerrymandered like the fact that North and South Dakota exist instead of just Dakota, but that's all ancient history in terms of politics.
Gerrymandering isn't when Chicago outweighs the rest of Illinois, it's when Chicago Democrats make 10 U.S. House seats that are 60% Democratic Chicago and 40% Republican hinterland instead of drawing more natural lines that would still result in a majority for Democrats but less so. Tortured lines that result in politicians representing theoretical shapes instead of actual communities with identifiable distinct interests.
*All numbers in this post are made up.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Video Player
www.azleg.gov
Those of us who've actually taken the time to track the audit will be accepting your apology for calling us crackpots as soon as you're finished watching.
bintananth
behind a desk
I think Iowa does it right when it comes to drawing the lines for Congressional Districts: at the county line and nowhere else.
That doesn't work for the state I live in because the county I'm in (and 50 others in various other US states) would be underrepresented in the House if that was the rule.
Five states have fewer people than the county I'm in. The metro area I'm in has more people than Nebraska and almost as many as New Mexico.
Video Player
Those of us who've actually taken the time to track the audit will be accepting your apology for calling us crackpots as soon as you're finished watching.
@VictortheMonarch if you're too lazy to watch, myself and others did a live play-by-play type covering of this in this very thread when it happened, f you can find that you can find many of the more important points all typed out.
But long story short, the media has been hiding this or lying about this since it happened, but there's enough evidence there that those of us who have been saying it was rigged, can comfortably say we were right.
Anyone denying it at this point is an outright liar, or hasn't looked at the evidence.
The fraud was wide scale, And it really happened. This isn't a conspiracy theory. The mainstream news won't talk about it, so you probably haven't heard about it, but this is real. I know for many it's hard to accept, but it's real.
Personally if it's just that you haven't seen the evidence, or you're having trouble coming to terms with this shitty reality, I don't blame you, and I don't hold it against you. At least as long as you are willing to open your eyes and actually look at the evidence that's been laid out. The fact is that Biden "won" AZ by roughly 10,000 votes, and that there were 50,000 or so illegal ballots. Dead voters, duplicate ballots, voters who moved, etc. And in addition to that, the machines used extremely poor security, and were intentionally cleaned of evidence before being handed over to the auditors.
If you've just been watching mainstream news, I know, this is a lot to take in. It's a harsh reality to face, and it really sucks. Hell, not even just mainstream news...even YT channels that tend to go against mainstream media and be far more honest, didn't cover this accurately. In particular, I watch Breaking Points pretty much daily, they're the most honest news source I have found, and even they failed to cover this accurately.
BUT, I watched it live. No media skew there. I watched them reveal the facts, live...and I am telling you that you've been deceived. It's okay if this is hard to take in, but you need to come to terms with reality. When you do, we're here. We'll offer support. I KNOW, this is some world shattering shit, and that's why I'm willing to have patience with you. It's not easy to have your world view shattered and destroyed right in front of your own two eyes. This is real, though.
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