Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

[LordsFire]

Really? How can you look at the post immediately before yours and not think this is a clear case of attempted deflection by spurious comparison. I.e. whataboutism.

EDIT; I'd also point out that I did in fact answer the question, further down in the post you quoted.

1. AFAIK, that isn't the official party line.
2. I don't believe all republicans or conservatives are racist, or even that the majority are. I do believe that racism is more prevalent in those groups than in democrats and progressive groups, or in a random sample of the population.
3. My belief is informed practically not at all by what democrats say. Rather, as in many large issues where data is incomplete and hard to get, I'm informed by personal experience and anecdote. For example, practically every example of comparing Obama to a monkey was conservative. The huge majority of examples of usage for "sand nigger" are conservative (Yes, there's one dramatic counter example but that doesn't really change the preponderance.) Even this site itself has a thread that could appropriately be renamed "What's so wrong with jew-bashing anyway?" and dozens of other examples of racism dressed up as "pro-white" rather than anti-other. Even people saying that it is true to say they're racist, but that there's nothing wrong with that and that their preferred defence against accusations of such is to say "So what?" That stands in stark contrast to what one finds on more left leaning or apolitical sites.

Now, I've played your silly game, perhaps you'll do me the equal kindness of explaining how that has any bearing on the value of the post I responded to as evidence, or the broader topic of election fraud and integrity?

It's not a silly game.

It's showed me that yes, you do actually have at least some internal consistency on this, which means that while I think you're wrong, I can at least have some respect for your judgement.

One of the most common things I find in leftist and leftist-leaning people, is that their worldview is basically informed by completely uncritical acceptance of the narrative pushed by Democrats, and automatic rejection of any and everything said by conservatives.

IE, starting from the assumption that leftists are always acting in good faith, and rightists are always acting in bad faith. When someone is operating on those assumptions, you cannot reason with them. I can't even tell you how many hours of my life I've wasted trying to reason with someone, only to find out that their position ultimately devolves to 'CNN says' or 'X Democrat says' or 'The Southern Poverty Law Center says.'

The reason I asked the question of you in the first place, is because yes, 'some rando on Twitter says' isn't a good standard of 'proof.' It's a fair objection to have. If you were only going to have that objection when it suited your purposes though, it wouldn't actually count as a standard.

That established, what do you think that things such as the Maricopa County election records 'going missing' signify?

 

[Megadeath]

It's not a silly game.

It's showed me that yes, you do actually have at least some internal consistency on this, which means that while I think you're wrong, I can at least have some respect for your judgement.

One of the most common things I find in leftist and leftist-leaning people, is that their worldview is basically informed by completely uncritical acceptance of the narrative pushed by Democrats, and automatic rejection of any and everything said by conservatives.

IE, starting from the assumption that leftists are always acting in good faith, and rightists are always acting in bad faith. When someone is operating on those assumptions, you cannot reason with them. I can't even tell you how many hours of my life I've wasted trying to reason with someone, only to find out that their position ultimately devolves to 'CNN says' or 'X Democrat says' or 'The Southern Poverty Law Center says.'

The reason I asked the question of you in the first place, is because yes, 'some rando on Twitter says' isn't a good standard of 'proof.' It's a fair objection to have. If you were only going to have that objection when it suited your purposes though, it wouldn't actually count as a standard.

That established, what do you think that things such as the Maricopa County election records 'going missing' signify?

Uh... That's another claim supported only by misinformed tweets. One that the auditing company don't support.

Arizona auditors backtrack, say no election data destroyed

Firms hired to run a partisan audit of the 2020 election for Senate Republicans in Arizona said Tuesday that data was not destroyed, reversing earlier allegations that election officials eliminated evidence.

apnews.com

Arizona election database is not missing

A contested, unprecedented audit of the 2020 election is being used to spread false information about the vote in Arizona’s largest county.

apnews.com

 

[Aldarion]

Got it on my mail feed:

Behind The SARS-CoV-2 Origination Backstory All Roads Lead to Stop Trump - The Last Refuge

The administrative state released these Fauci emails as a strategy toward keeping political weaponization of the COVID crisis hidden in the background

theconservativetreehouse.com

Posting it to both relevant threads.

 

[S'task]

I am a Canadian from the Great White North, a person who should hate Trump for his stupid tariffs antics. (And I still do but that's just business, nothing personal).

I actually do respect Canadians who get upset at American tariffs because it hurts their country's businesses and industries, they're coming from the same place that many Americans who support tariffs do, a love of country and their people. I respect that, though of course I will tend to side with my country's policies and what I think are good for it.

That said, when it comes to Canada, I think that it is in US interests to keep them economically integrated with the US. The US/Canada border is MASSIVE and so long as Canada is firmly within the American sphere of influence and integrated with the US we need not worry much about security along that border. If that means not putting harsh tariffs on them and not protecting American industries as strictly as we would against other nations to keep Canada happy, well, I think that's a small price to pay. We don't want Canada moving to the Chinese or other hostile powers sphere of influence, now do we?

Of course, my OPTIMAL answer would just be to annex Canada properly.

 

[Zachowon]

I actually do respect Canadians who get upset at American tariffs because it hurts their country's businesses and industries, they're coming from the same place that many Americans who support tariffs do, a love of country and their people. I respect that, though of course I will tend to side with my country's policies and what I think are good for it.

That said, when it comes to Canada, I think that it is in US interests to keep them economically integrated with the US. The US/Canada border is MASSIVE and so long as Canada is firmly within the American sphere of influence and integrated with the US we need not worry much about security along that border. If that means not putting harsh tariffs on them and not protecting American industries as strictly as we would against other nations to keep Canada happy, well, I think that's a small price to pay. We don't want Canada moving to the Chinese or other hostile powers sphere of influence, now do we?

Of course, my OPTIMAL answer would just be to annex Canada properly.

I think the best way to keep them is annex them. I think they would live better as well if they stopped following the queen

 

[ATP]

I think the best way to keep them is annex them. I think they would live better as well if they stopped following the queen

If they still followed Crown it could be not as bad for them,unfortunatelly now they follow their own leftists,And since USA is following leftist,too,annexing them now would change nothing.
If you are under leftist boot,it is unimportant which flag they use.

 

[Bacle]

I think the best way to keep them is annex them. I think they would live better as well if they stopped following the queen

No, just let France have Quebec back.

The rest of Canada would be so much stronger if they didn't have to keep Quebec happy anymore.

 

[Zachowon]

No, just let France have Quebec back.

The rest of Canada would be so much stronger if they didn't have to keep Quebec happy anymore.

I...I wouldn't think only that. Quebec leaving would help, but Ottowa still exists

 

[Bacle]

I...I wouldn't think only that. Quebec leaving would help, but Ottowa still exists

Ok, France should get both of them then.

The rest can either keep being New Canada, or just simplify things by officially joining the US.

 

[LordsFire]

No, just let France have Quebec back.

The rest of Canada would be so much stronger if they didn't have to keep Quebec happy anymore.

It'd also rip the maritime provinces out of the country. Canada cannot functionally remain a nation including Labrador, PEI, and New Foundland, or at least not for long, if Quebec leaves.

Alberta would probably also get ideas about leaving, given how they're getting fed up with paying for so much of the national budget.

 

[BlackDragon98]

I'd be fine if there was a referendum. (I can vote and I would vote to join the USA)

Otherwise, the coniferous forests will be apologizing profusely before they bathe you in a hail of bullets.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I'd be fine if there was a referendum. (I can vote and I would vote to join the USA)

Otherwise, the coniferous forests will be apologizing profusely before they bathe you in a hail of bullets.

Canada need not be absorbed by the United States. She is a child of the Empire and once rid of this absurd paradigm she is well positioned to chart her own course.

 

[Zachowon]

Canada need not be absorbed by the United States. She is a child of the Empire and once rid of this absurd paradigm she is well positioned to chart her own course.

So is America yet...here you both are.

I say what ever benefits the country more

 

[Captain X]

The thing is, even with the prairie provinces, they have very leftist cities, so it'd be a situation like Minnesota where they turn the state blue, and we'd just be adding blue states if we added them.

 

[Bear Ribs]

If Canada was absorbed I suspect it would empty. Canada has 80% of its population crammed along the southern border so being able to go even further south while still being in "Canada" would appeal to many of them and they'd move.

 

[LordsFire]

Uh... That's another claim supported only by misinformed tweets. One that the auditing company don't support.

Arizona auditors backtrack, say no election data destroyed

Firms hired to run a partisan audit of the 2020 election for Senate Republicans in Arizona said Tuesday that data was not destroyed, reversing earlier allegations that election officials eliminated evidence.

apnews.com

Arizona election database is not missing

A contested, unprecedented audit of the 2020 election is being used to spread false information about the vote in Arizona’s largest county.

apnews.com

'Misinformed tweets' is different from 'they retracted the claim.' 'Up to date' and 'wrong in the first place' are different.

I'm glad to hear that things don't look as bleak as they did.

I will also, however, point out, that those articles by AP are written in an insanely partisan way. The AP is not exactly noted as an unbiased source either.

Have you ever read the official AP guidelines? I did when I worked as a (campus) reporter for a while. They literally tell you how to get your own slant into the story without being obvious about doing it.

 

[Duke Nukem]

 

[Megadeath]

'Misinformed tweets' is different from 'they retracted the claim.' 'Up to date' and 'wrong in the first place' are different.

I'm glad to hear that things don't look as bleak as they did.

I don't really see how? Their initial tweet was misinformed so they retracted it. They initially claimed the data was destroyed at a specific date, the more up-to-date claim is that they have the data which rather precludes it having been destroyed meaning they were wrong in the first place.

I will also, however, point out, that those articles by AP are written in an insanely partisan way. The AP is not exactly noted as an unbiased source either.

Have you ever read the official AP guidelines? I did when I worked as a (campus) reporter for a while. They literally tell you how to get your own slant into the story without being obvious about doing it.

I won't disagree with you about the tone and style, but I care less about them and more about material fact.

 

[BlackDragon98]

'Misinformed tweets' is different from 'they retracted the claim.' 'Up to date' and 'wrong in the first place' are different.

I'm glad to hear that things don't look as bleak as they did.

I will also, however, point out, that those articles by AP are written in an insanely partisan way. The AP is not exactly noted as an unbiased source either.

Have you ever read the official AP guidelines? I did when I worked as a (campus) reporter for a while. They literally tell you how to get your own slant into the story without being obvious about doing it.

AP is woke as hell.

AP stylebook made a woke as hell post on Twitter last year, which is when I placed it on my "propaganda dissemination system" list.

 

[BlackDragon98]

I don't really see how? Their initial tweet was misinformed so they retracted it. They initially claimed the data was destroyed at a specific date, the more up-to-date claim is that they have the data which rather precludes it having been destroyed meaning they were wrong in the first place.

I will also, however, point out, that those articles by AP are written in an insanely partisan way. The AP is not exactly noted as an unbiased source either.

Have you ever read the official AP guidelines? I did when I worked as a (campus) reporter for a while. They literally tell you how to get your own slant into the story without being obvious about doing it.

I won't disagree with you about the tone and style, but I care less about them and more about material fact.

it was a fact that coronavirus was not from that Wuhan lab. Now that fact is no longer valid.

These so called "facts" are nothing but BS that the elitist establishment want to believe.

What comes out of MSM these days is not to be trusted at all.