Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

Zachowon

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It's the 3rd of December. It's been exactly a month. I want to see concrete, tangible results, not pretty speeches.
I think what the Trump campaign is doing is using their cases to make it so the EC nullifies the results leading to Trump getting it automatically. Because it may take to long for the cases to go through court. Make the EC and the legislature doubt the election makes it so it goes more in favor of Trump
Lucky? The only reason he had the balls to say what he said, is because he knew there would be no lasting consequences for saying it; and, lo and behold, he was proven correct in the end. The only thing he didn't count on, was Giuliani not just sitting there and taking it, as most of his previous targets likely did.
Rudy took on the mob. Dont threaten Rudy with baseless claims like the kid did, if you make one, or try and deface him, one better back it up!
 

GoldRanger

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I think what the Trump campaign is doing is using their cases to make it so the EC nullifies the results leading to Trump getting it automatically. Because it may take to long for the cases to go through court. Make the EC and the legislature doubt the election makes it so it goes more in favor of Trump

Sounds like a pipe dream, and reminds me of the leftists in 2016 who were desperately hoping that the EC votes Clinton because the purpose of its existence is to "guard against populist candidates". The electors are going to vote however they were told to vote by the states that sent them.
 

Zachowon

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Sounds like a pipe dream, and reminds me of the leftists in 2016 who were desperately hoping that the EC votes Clinton because the purpose of its existence is to "guard against populist candidates". The electors are going to vote however they were told to vote by the states that sent them.
Except Hillary did not go to the states and prove there was fraud, and give doubt to the EC
 

Rocinante

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It's the 3rd of December. It's been exactly a month. I want to see concrete, tangible results, not pretty speeches.
I've been saying for weeks that this is over. It's over.

It sucks, but that's reality.

Rallies don't win court cases. These court cases aren't going to go anywhere before the EC votes and Biden is sworn in.

It's over. Biden will be the next president. Through fraud and cheating, yes. Having rallies isn't going to stop it. It's just going to make the "hold on to hope!" Crowd more depressed when the inevitable plays out.
 

Zachowon

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I've been saying for weeks that this is over. It's over.

It sucks, but that's reality.

Rallies don't win court cases. These court cases aren't going to go anywhere before the EC votes and Biden is sworn in.

It's over. Biden will be the next president. Through fraud and cheating, yes. Having rallies isn't going to stop it. It's just going to make the "hold on to hope!" Crowd more depressed when the inevitable plays out.
Dude, the EC can decide they are not going to vote because they do not know if the election was fair or not.
In which case Trump wins
 

TyrantTriumphant

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I've been saying for weeks that this is over. It's over.

It sucks, but that's reality.

Rallies don't win court cases. These court cases aren't going to go anywhere before the EC votes and Biden is sworn in.

It's over. Biden will be the next president. Through fraud and cheating, yes. Having rallies isn't going to stop it. It's just going to make the "hold on to hope!" Crowd more depressed when the inevitable plays out.
If it's over then we all have to ask ourselves, "What do we do now?" Because I certainly don't intend to just let the left rule unopposed.

But of course if they managed to steal this election then we can assume that they can steal others as well, so relying on the democratic and legal processes to protect ourselves is foolish. If we could rely on judges and laws then we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.

Dude, the EC can decide they are not going to vote because they do not know if the election was fair or not.
In which case Trump wins
And you trust the EC to actually do that? Most of them are probably too scared of the Left to try anything like that.
 

Jormungandr

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Simply put, if Biden wins, American is fucked. Utterly.

In that case, not only would a political party have won through outright fraud, the lunacy of the Democratic Party and their cronies and cats paws will have American society breaking down within a year, two tops. We already see echoes of this with BLM and AntiFa, and the colloquially called "Culture War".

You lot aren't just fighting for who gets to be President. You're not fighting to maintain the Democrat/Republican status quo that has dominated American politics for over a century.

You're fighting for your very way of life.
 

Culsu

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You do not know that. You really don't. That is the one thing none of us can really guess.
You have ten days. You have electors who are constantly being told that the elections were won by Biden, and that Donald Trump and his team are delusional kooks running from one court defeat to another. You have tons of allegations and proof, but neither will get you anything if you don't have a solid win in court by that day. And you have state authorities telling them all is in order. So, how likely is it they'll just vote along the "official" results rather than commit some revolutionary electoral act?
 

Rocinante

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You have ten days. You have electors who are constantly being told that the elections were won by Biden, and that Donald Trump and his team are delusional kooks running from one court defeat to another. You have tons of allegations and proof, but neither will get you anything if you don't have a solid win in court by that day. And you have state authorities telling them all is in order. So, how likely is it they'll just vote along the "official" results rather than commit some revolutionary electoral act?
Exactly. They're going to view it as just doing their jobs. They probably follow the news. Without a solid court win, in their minds Biden is the legitimate winner and those court cases are all a joke.

So what's more likely. They give up their careers, to overthrow who they think is the elected president, because there were (what they believe to be,) some minor but inconsequential irregularities? Or, they maintain the status quo and go vote on who they were sent to go vote?

Remember, most people believe there is no evidence. So far, I don't think we've seen solid enough evidence to win a court case. Affidavits were never going to cut it. There needs to be solid, documented, irrefutable PROOF, or Biden is the next president.
 

Isem

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Rallies don't win court cases. These court cases aren't going to go anywhere before the EC votes and Biden is sworn in.
There is actually a reason for the rallies that involves the court cases. Regardless of the laws and evidence involved, a judge would be a lot more reluctant to do something that would change the results of an election due to fraud if there wasn't a clear indication of popular support for the claim. Hence the rallies. Nothing quite drives up public support and public opinion like a show big enough to be unignorable.

The law might claim to be blind but even the law isn't immune to public pressure, one way or another.
 

Navarro

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Not that Obama's policies towards immigrants and refugees were great. They weren't at all.

Well, you consider any policy other than "let the entire world into America, no borders at all" unjust, so no surprise.

There was definitely exaggeration when Trump took office, but I don't think those fears were wholly unfounded.

There were going to be death squads, America was going to turn into a theocracy, WW3 would happen, we would all be forced to learn Russian, etc. (as was said about Reagan and Bush, apart from the learning Russian). People on the Left were genuinely, seriously calling to go full survivalist and hide out in the hills pointing guns at anybody who got too close to their compound. I literally saw this hysteria firsthand, don't tell me it didn't happen.

Now, there's similar hysteria here and in other conservative internet spaces about Biden, but after my initial panic on election night my position is strictly wait-and-see. And when elements of the left have been spouting rhetoric for four years straight about making lists of us, forcing us to wear symbols on our clothing so they can tell us on sight, imprisoning us in camps, killing us, raping us, and in their more compassionate moments forcibly re-educating us to be good little leftist drones, etc. there is certainly room for concern.

I don't think the Charlottesville rally would have taken place without the election of Trump, for example.

Charlottesville, Charlottesville. As if no WS rallies happened under Obama or any of the Presidents before him. These folks have been there for decades, and they've been neutered since the 1960s. They are and were a non-issue.

the increased activity and access of white supremacists and overtly fascist groups has been alarming.

How much of this is increased activity and how much increased media attention? I would be worried about white supremacists and fascists taking over when open white supremacists and fascists hold institutional power in the media and academia as open black nationalists and Marxists do. When a WS terrorist gets a prestigious university post as various of the 70s left-wing terrorists did, that's the time to worry about them heavily affecting the discourse in society.

And the abuses on the border are very much the sort of things people were afraid of.

The "abuses" of harshly enforcing existing immigration laws, which had the bare minimum of enforcement for decades. Now, one can argue that the law is a bad law and the immigration system needs major reform, and that's a valid political POV to hold. But while the law is law, the government must enforce it.

Partly because congress and the state governments aren't going to be changed, partly because both of them are economic liberals, and partly because Biden is really a very moderate Democrat.

I wouldn't take "moderate" seriously from a guy who thinks governments shouldn't exist at all.
I hope that Biden will stand against attempts to cut benefits like Medicaid, SNAP, the ACA credit, and other programs that people need to live.

Yes, the policies that keep people reliant on government benefits to survive, thus ensuring they vote blue no matter who. Oh, and people need Obamacare to live now, because this was America in 2008:

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All of those strike me as very good reasons to vote for Biden, even though he's an utterly flaccid centrist.

Every Dem is a flaccid centrist and even so milquetoast a GOPer as Romney had it said about him that he would bring back slavery.

I don't think any group will be substantially harmed by a Biden presidency.

*The working class (i.e., the people leftism claims to champion).
*The police
*The black community (continuation of failed policies)
*Conservatives, who will once more face political harassment from Federal agencies as under Obama.
*Small business owners under the planned national lockdown.

But we can already tell who'll be the opposite of substantially harmed by Biden's policies - the CCP and the Iranian mullahs, both committed enemies of America. Keeping foreign (actual) theocrats and (actual) fascists on life support to own the cons!

At the most extreme I could see some enforcement of equality of access laws that might anger conservative religious people, but I don't think they will be harmed in the way a trans person losing access to medical coverage for their treatment would be. (I'm thinking here of situations like the baker who didn't want to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.)

It's not about "equality of access", it's about forcing Christians to violate their moral consciences as a show of power. Like when they tried forcing a group of Catholic nuns to provide abortion drugs to their employees, or indeed when they tried to force a Christian baker to make an edible piece of art celebrating a gay wedding. And being severely fined and possible having your business destroyed for not wanting to support the left-wing cause de jure is indeed pretty harmful. One just has look at what they did this very year, when they closed churches and designated strip clubs "essential businesses", to get their real attitude toward Christianity.
 
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There are several states with laws that either void or automatically replace the vote of a faithless elector, if anyone is interested in the patchwork;

 

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