Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

[lordmcdeath]

And then the person she is working with and herself came out later to say they were not working directly worth the campaign and are pursuing their own suites.

Then who are they representing? You cannot sue just cause. And in order to get votes over turned, they would have to show their client was damaged.

Cut loose? That is literally how Dobbs portrays it, and neither he nor Rudy are on SB. With that in mind, its hardly an unreasonable conclusion.

 

[Zachowon]

Then who are they representing? You cannot sue just cause. And in order to get votes over turned, they would have to show their client was damaged.

I know that she is representing #wethepeople.
We don't know they can choose to remain anonymous from the public till the case gets filed. Could be a group

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

I'm not surprised Shadow came in here trying to peddle the 'Powell was cut loose and disavowed' bullshit.

It's the same gaslighting bullshit she's done for years on SB.

There are many reasons Powell is acting separately from the Trump Campaign legal team, and those reasons may have to do with allowing her to persue actions Trump and his team cannot due to conflict of interest laws.

Or because they have different aims and different interests so it makes sense to pursue their goals differently. But really, the interpretation that she has been disavowed is the least likely of all, because it fits the facts.

Then who are they representing? You cannot sue just cause. And in order to get votes over turned, they would have to show their client was damaged.

It is evident how any client was damaged, yet it seems some corrupt courts will ignore it. I am pretty sure having an election stolen is damaging to the loser. And not having your voice be according the same treatment as other voices is also damaging. And others receiving preferential treatment, when things are supposed to be equal is also damaging. And I think your democratic rights be trampled on is clear damage. All of it is self-evident, and to ignore it is to make the clear statement that you don't care about these people who have been wronged, because it is politically expedient or politically beneficial.

 

[lordmcdeath]

I know that she is representing #wethepeople.
We don't know they can choose to remain anonymous from the public till the case gets filed. Could be a group

It would have to be a group of significant size. Because if she isn't representing the candidate and is in fact representing a group of voters, they will have to show that they voted, that their particular votes were somehow compromised, and that the damage is significant enough to warrant the remedy they are seeking. Rudy definitely has the easier jobs in terms of standing.

It is evident how any client was damaged, yet it seems some corrupt courts will ignore it. I am pretty sure having an election stolen is damaging to the loser. And not having your voice be according the same treatment as other voices is also damaging. And others receiving preferential treatment, when things are supposed to be equal is also damaging. And I think your democratic rights be trampled on is clear damage. All of it is self-evident, and to ignore it is to make the clear statement that you don't care about these people who have been wronged, because it is politically expedient or politically beneficial.

Any court has to way the damage against every legitimate voter, and must assume any that cannot be proven fraudulent are legitimate. So in order to have the votes set aside, for a court or legislative decision those would be disinfranchised. Getting distinctive ballots invalidated will be easier, but still difficult.

Damage must be proportional to the remedy and the counter valling harm that would be inflicted there in.

 

[Es Arcanum]

Damn, you have shot her down mate. Your towering legal genius and unparalleled grasp of the minutae of the process of law has gotten straight to the heart of the matter and found something that she, the helpless rube and novice that she is, never even thought of!

Of course! She needs a plaintiff to even launch her case! It is now surely dead in the water never to rise again.

Deftly done Sir! Deftly done! 😄

 

[ShadowArxxy]

I'm not surprised Shadow came in here trying to peddle the 'Powell was cut loose and disavowed' bullshit.

I'm "peddling" exactly what the White House itself officially announced on the record. How the fuck is that "gaslighting"?

 

[Zachowon]

I'm "peddling" exactly what the White House itself officially announced on the record. How the fuck is that "gaslighting"?

And you left out what powell, and the people she works with did to clarify

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Damn, you have shot her down mate. Your towering legal genius and unparalleled grasp of the minutae of the process of law has gotten straight to the heart of the matter and found something that she, the helpless rube and novice that she is, never even thought of!

You are entirely correct in pointing out that yes, an actual attorney would know that and surely has an actual plaintiff. However, it is legitimate to wonder who said actual plaintiff might be, since it is explicitly neither the Trump Administration, nor Mr. Donald J. Trump as a private individual.

Up until now, she was working closely enough with the official team that it was entirely reasonable for all to assume that one of those two entities would be her client; we now know this is not the case.

(Like seriously -- honestly, up until the point the White House said she was not, was it not *everyone's* assumption that she was either working with the Trump Administration or President Trump?)

 

[ShadowArxxy]

And you left out what powell, and the people she works with did to clarify

Flynn isn't an official statement in the first place, and it's hardly dishonest of me to leave out information I wasn't aware of. I don't follow his Twitter.

 

[Cherico]

Lets wait for the case to go forward people.


If everything that has been alleged is true if even half of it is true then this is the single most important court case of this generation. So lets just wait and see people.

And yes the waiting does suck ass, its the nature of the beast right now.

 

[Zachowon]

Flynn isn't an official statement in the first place, and it's hardly dishonest of me to leave out information I wasn't aware of. I don't follow his Twitter.

More then Flynn. But I understand i don't follow twitter either.

 

[Rocinante]

I don't think asking us who her plaintiff is proves anything.

She's obviously got someone. Perhaps we shall find out today.

 

[Archmagnus]

>>Giuliani and Powell
Like, for those of you who have not been following 'the split' too closely, here's the short of it.

Giuliani's team is focused on the short term, that is getting Trump re-elected, throwing away the votes easily proved to be fraudulent, getting proper audits and recounts and the like.

Powell and her team is focused on the long term. This means investigating Dominion and Smartmatic, foreign ties, corruption and such.

Giuliani is there to keep Trump in the White House, Powell is working on getting him the Casus Belli on the Swamp, and all the ammo he needs to finally drain it.

Both of them are highly respected lawyers with decades of stellar experience under their belts. They wouldn't be working on these potentially career-ending cases if they didn't think they can absolutely win them.

 

[Rocinante]

>>Giuliani and Powell
Like, for those of you who have not been following 'the split' too closely, here's the short of it.

Giuliani's team is focused on the short term, that is getting Trump re-elected, throwing away the votes easily proved to be fraudulent, getting proper audits and recounts and the like.

Powell and her team is focused on the long term. This means investigating Dominion and Smartmatic, foreign ties, corruption and such.

Giuliani is there to keep Trump in the White House, Powell is working on getting him the Casus Belli on the Swamp, and all the ammo he needs to finally drain it.

Both of them are highly respected lawyers with decades of stellar experience under their belts. They wouldn't be working on these potentially career-ending cases if they didn't think they can absolutely win them.

Powell said we might see a lawsuit from her as early as today...

Let's see how that pans out.

I hope to see something today.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

More then Flynn. But I understand i don't follow twitter either.

If you don't follow it either, then how exactly am I (supposedly) arguing in bad faith for not having that information? And since, again, it's *not even an official statement by a person officially involved in the matter*, I don't think it should be taken as absolute evidence anyway.

 

[Brutus]

So anyone want to place bets on if\when Trump wins there will be universal paper only no mail-in elections for the United States?

 

[ShadowArxxy]

So anyone want to place bets on if\when Trump wins there will be universal paper only no mail-in elections for the United States?

Elections are under state purview, but the Constitution explicitly grants Congress the authority to pass regulations over how states carry out those elections. That authority has only rarely been used, but in my opinion, it's rather overdue to lay down consistent election rules on a nationwide basis.

In other words: I don't agree that "paper only no mail in" is actually a good rule, but I do agree that the federal government needs to take charge and set one set of rules which all 50 states are required to follow.

 

[Cherico]

So anyone want to place bets on if\when Trump wins there will be universal paper only no mail-in elections for the United States?

No bragging until the issue is settled, and I'm not placing bets on anything right now.

Worlds too damned chaotic.

 

[Rocinante]

So anyone want to place bets on if\when Trump wins there will be universal paper only no mail-in elections for the United States?

Absentee ballots and the like are pretty important for some people's ability to vote. They shouldn't be done away with.

But yes to paper only. And obtaining an absentee ballot should require proof of identity and have an actual reason. It should be by application only.

None of this mass mail nonsense.

 

[Archmagnus]

Powell said we might see a lawsuit from her as early as today...

Let's see how that pans out.

I hope to see something today.

I'll give it till the end of the week. If nothing big happens by then, then yeah, the election is probably lost.