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Not too sure on the charisma thing. Trump if he is endorsing the candidate would be a charisma guy already. Might be a good idea to go for a proper hard-core core ideals candidate instead.

I mean if you want charisma on the seat is there anything stopping a former President running as the Vice-President candidate? VP Trump 2024?
 
I have a prediction, which may or may not be true.

US will have a female president in 2028 and it's going to be Ivanka Trump.
 
Battlegrinder said:
That's probably not a wise tactic.

It is possible the election was stolen, but frankly I don't think it's likely. I don't find it plausible that a massive conspiracy to swing the vote in multiple states, involving numerous precincts, counting stations, etc could have been pulled off without a hint. There should be leaks from the inside. Cell phone recordings of the planning, copies of the emails used to coordinate, etc, and there haven't been.

That doesn't excuse the outright refusal to do a proper audit and ensure that everything was done properly, or the hypocrisy on the part of the media and democratic establishment that insisted 2016 was stolen for years and then did an about face the second it was convenient for them, but it does mean that running around claiming the election was stolen has some issues, and since the 6th, crippling issues. As of right now, that narrative is going to be forever associated with a series of riots that got people killed pointlessly (and gave the dems a new weapon to use against the rest of us....thanks). Unless you have absolutely irrefutable, uncontroverted, crystal clear slam dunk evidence (and you don't), pushing that narrative is not going to work out, because it's going to alienate the people you need to appeal to in order to win next time. And before you go "but they'll just steal it again", there are three issues with that (well, four, but "they didn't steal it the first time" isn't really an acceptable answer to you).

First off, we have 4 years to lay the groundwork now. Get better security in place, start volunteering to work the polls ourselves and get like minded people to do so elsewhere, etc. They can't tamper with a system unless they control it.

Second, the "but muh global pandemic" stuff isn't going to fly next time, no more cheeky moves with mass mail in ballots and the like, those were sold as temporary measures and we have to hold them to that.

And third and most importantly, any operation like this has limits. They can only tip the scales so far, in so many places, if we build a large enough supporter base it doesn't matter how much they cheat in a few spaces if they're drowned out elsewhere. That's what we have to do going forward. Rebuild the party, figure out a game plan and a massage, and take the government back.




This is definitely the biggest issue we have right now. Those idiots on the 6th gave the democrats the excuse and the platform they needed, and it's going to be a tricky thing to stop, but far from impossible.
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At this point, anyone who thinks they can work with the system to achieve anything is a fool, in my opinion. There will be no laying of any groundwork, because the establishment won't allow it. Trump only got in due to a fluke, a brief moment where the establishment was caught with their pants down; it won't happen again any time soon. They control nearly every aspect of our society; politics, education, the media, business, et cetera, et cetera. There is no peaceful path forward anymore, and that fact in and of itself is going to be alienating.



Rocinante said:
I believe the election was stolen, but I don't believe we were able to present enough evidence to say "this is for sure, this is who did it, now turn over the election."
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The problem with that is, nobody was allowed to present evidence; not to a court at least. Every case, as far as I'm aware, was rejected on the assertion that either they lacked standing, or that there were procedural issues. Barring the cases that were simply outright ignored, and are still in limbo, of course.
 
Terthna said:
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The problem with that is, nobody was allowed to present evidence; not to a court at least. Every case, as far as I'm aware, was rejected on the assertion that either they lacked standing, or that there were procedural issues. Barring the cases that were simply outright ignored, and are still in limbo, of course.
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That's quite simply not true. There were plenty of cases where what "evidence" existed was examined. That's why we have quotes from judges describing various affidavits as contradictory, implausible and simply reflecting a lack of understanding of the procedures involved. It's also where we got such quotes as “There’s a nonzero number of people in the room” or then there's the example of a judge asking Trump campaign lawyer Jonathan Goldstein whether he had found any signs of fraud among the 592 ballots he was challenging. The answer was no.

The merits of the cases were heard, and found to be sadly lacking. There was no great big society wide conspiracy among judges from random counties right up to Trump's own supreme court picks to ignore the evidence; there simply wasn't any meaningful or credible evidence to start with.
 
I believe a "Patriot Party" could stand to do very well, although it would have to play the long game. Don't do a Bullmoose and uselessly throw yourself into a general election that cripples the American Right for decades. No, instead focus on the locals and mid terms, during which you can find a power base from which to grow and seriously screw with whatever lefty agenda you disagree with.
 
Abhishekm said:
Yeah, like give it a week or something atleast. I mean its getting to be a joke but having two impeachment votes at once is a bit much. (I assume hearings are just no longer a thing now.)
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Ones over serious issues rather than stuff done in the heat of the moment or political vendettas (the second Trump one was a mix) still occur, it’s just that Adam “Shithead” Schiff wasn’t treating it seriously because he didn’t want the county to know the Ukraine

BlackDragon98 said:
I have a prediction, which may or may not be true.

US will have a female president in 2028 and it's going to be Ivanka Trump.
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Not going to happen. Ivanka doesn’t have anywhere near the name recognition Donald has, and there’s also the fact that, as happened with Hillary Clinton, that a lot of familiar (and unwanted) faces would appear if she’s in charge. Especially since Donald is the kind of guy who has to hog the spotlight and damn the consequences.

If she weren’t just a House rep, I’d say Elise Stefanik is a dark horse but you can’t go from that House to the White House directly...she’d need to be elected governor first (actually, that might explain why she’s been lighting Cuomo up...).

Still, we shall see. Nobody in 2012 would have predicted Trump, so who knows.

Terthna said:
The problem with that is, nobody was allowed to present evidence; not to a court at least. Every case, according to random YouTubers, websites of dubious quality, and word of mouth, was rejected on the assertion that either they lacked standing, or that there were procedural issues. Barring the cases that were simply outright ignored, and are still in limbo, of course.
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FTFY

Oh, would you look at that, someone told you this back in December and you pointedly ignored it because you got called out on your bullshit...and is still waiting for something more than a juvenile response, I might add.

Airedale260 said:
Except that the cards were shown, and when foul was cried, their claims were shot down in court because they couldn’t prove it and admitted they didn’t know what they were talking about. The “strategy” such as it was was to claim the courts wouldn’t hear the motions and therefore were in on it. That got shot to hell when a court in Wisconsin (presided over by a judge appointed by Trump himself) agreed to hear the case, and the Trump campaign said “okay, yeah, we agree with the other side’s argument that there was no fraud, or if there was, it was so minuscule as to not affect the outcome.”
If you want to engage in a debate and refute what I said, I’m right here. Since you apparently don’t and instead are reduced to making snide comments about those of us who are more than willing to call you out for spouting BS rather than constructively engage, that tells ,e you know at least deep down you don’t have a leg to stand on.

You’re free to criticize whomever you want. But understand, people also have the right to criticize your criticism. That’s the whole point of forums like this, to debate and discuss.
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Lord Sovereign said:
I believe a "Patriot Party" could stand to do very well, although it would have to play the long game. Don't do a Bullmoose and uselessly throw yourself into a general election that cripples the American Right for decades. No, instead focus on the locals and mid terms, during which you can find a power base from which to grow and seriously screw with whatever lefty agenda you disagree with.
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The American Right is already crippled for decades, if not outright deceased, but I do agree that trying to win a general election is a waste of time. With local elections, there's still a chance the establishment isn't paying attention; though the moment it looks like any significant ground is being gained, they'll probably start to.
 
Terthna said:
there's still a chance the establishment isn't paying attention;
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Paying attention? They give less of a shit about the locals than the Right does. And aside from a few swing states, I don't think the Democrat Party machinery is that extensive, especially with Covid no longer being a factor.
 
Likely won't accomplish much but at least someone is trying to do something.

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