CarlManvers2019
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They’ll somehow think you’re Pro-Civil War either way, no offense
Also, could you split your stuff into more paragraphs?
Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)
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They’ll somehow think you’re Pro-Civil War either way, no offense
Also, could you split your stuff into more paragraphs?
The Mandarin
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Val the Moofia Boss
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I doubt it will happen that quickly. I do expect a China/CCP style social credit score, with you losing access to utilities based off of your politics and what you say online, etc, to be implemented "soon" (within 10-20 years).
Historically, there is no way to roll back the power of the government without the threat of violence or revolution. People are just too invested in the status quo and afraid to lose their property and their friends and their lives. And so the bad guys keep getting away with everything.
My whimsical hope is that the policies of the Leftists will lead to their ruin without us having to lift a finger. The Leftists will bankrupt themselves and their policies will lead the central government becoming ineffective and unable to enforce its policies. The central government will lose legitimacy, allowing local governments on the city and county and state level to begin to assert themselves. I also hope that the Leftist ideology will die out as they are outbred by the rest of us, as Leftists don't have families. They party all day.
Realistically, my fear is that we turn into another China. The CCP has managed to create a stable tyranny, and is so far the longest running communist country ever, and it's looking like they are in no worry of collapsing soon. They have their hands in the pockets of foreign countries, taxing Chinese megacorporations that buy up land in Australia or Tencent, who have shares in pretty much everything. The CCP have successfully disarmed, neutered, and emasculated the populace, and faces little to no open resistance, least of all none that could be effective. The CCP has semi-destroyed communities on a local level, so there are no local communities that wish to assert themselves (and, again, even if they had the cohesion and the will, they don't have the power).
Sadly, there is little we can actually do besides talk about it online, and hope that our ideas proliferate and sway more people to our side.
KilroywasNOTHere
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then we are wasting sanity and productive energy.
The Mandarin
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Are you sure? Look at how many people have lost their jobs and homes due to political retaliation? Look at what happened during the Fentanyl Floyd kristalnacht? How many people were raped and murdered and no one reported it. You really think you have two decades? A lot of my neighbors are American expats, the norm used to be that they were all old men, now it's young people coming in mass. Young, families and right wing and Christian.
The threat is often enough, hell a warning by a legal source is usually enough. Ex-Pentagon whores are all writing articles begging the military and the American people not to rise up.
More than likely, instead of balkanization or the CCP. What will happen to America is that the dysgenic soyboys and tranny oligarchs will be overthrown and a sort of Roman like system will replace them. But this shouldn't happen at all.
KilroywasNOTHere
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the CCP is fudging thier numbers. It's part of the reason they were so desperate to absorb hong kong. How the people with money don't see it is beyond me. Unless they just really want that cheap labor.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
You know, I really wonder why the hell they ever did that One Child Policy for so many years
It’s not as if the CCP would provide for every single one of the children born into a family
And this is something taught to me in college, the more kids you got, the more likely you will have someone who will be able to take care of the parents and others will go on to have jobs that are needed for production of goods and services
Val the Moofia Boss
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(I wrote more, but decided against posting it because I didn't want to risk getting infracted/banned under the current ToS rules, which haven't changed yet)
I have to ask: what would "rising up" do? (Note: not advocating for violence) What, would people drive to the Pentagon or a politician's or a CEO's house and lob dynamite through the windows? How would that reverse what has been happening to the US? The establishment is so large replaces people so fast, one could never possibly expect to destroy it. It'd be like trying to bail out the ocean with a bucket. It's not like there are tangible territory that can be captured that determines whether or not the enemy state still exists. It wouldn't be a war between states. It's a societal conflict between ideologies.
It's really the labor. They'll export their jobs to whichever country will do it for the lowest rate. They exported jobs to China, and once the wages in China become higher than that of other places (be it South America or Africa), the corporations will move their factories over there. Software engineering jobs in America are being exported to India. I imagine in a decade or two, they'll be exported to somewhere else.
The Mandarin
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See, these are very good questions that explain why "rising up" probably isn't necessary right now. But that doesn't stop people in Government from thinking that way and panicking, which shows you can still redeem America.
Megadeath
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Sorry, I guess I should have said "meaningful fraud" especially with this propensity you've demonstrated for the politicians trick of answering the question you wish you'd been asked rather than the one in front of you. To wit; in what way were the numbers given inaccurate, and how was I mistaking Trump's legal team with separate groups?
KilroywasNOTHere
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I think it helps that to some extent America is too big to fail per se. Here me out. America is an entire half continent with 50 states each large enough to be their own countries. Even if the federal government were to fall tomorrow the state governors especially in red states can pick up the slack heck, the states that are mainly suffering now as America is falling is heavy city centric blue leaning states. It's why people are fleeing to texas and Florida of all places.
America is not Rome it won't just collapse if the white house falls.
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"never talk to other conservatives on your off hours or you're a larper!" Like how long do you think it takes to type a post bruh
Basileus_Komnenos
Imperator Romanorum Βασιλεύς των Ρωμαίων
A lot of people stopped caring about local elections after we made the Senate elections based on the popular vote rather than having Senators appointed by the states. This was pretty much a huge mistake in my opinion as the Senate should represent the interests of the states as an entity rather than the masses which is what the House of Representatives is for.
They do see it, and they don't care. These faux progressives grifters at these Corporations only support "social justice" and activism only in the US and Western Countries. When it comes to China they're perfectly happy to bow before the CCP's whims and wishes. Its honestly quite hypocritical. A perfect example of this hypocrisy is Disney touting itself as a "diverse and inclusive company" only then for them to diminish the position of their leading black actor in The Force Awakens in movie posters. They did this to conform to the sensibilities of the racist population there. You'd think these corporations would take a stand against this sort of injustice, but they instead prostrate themselves.
I don't think I agree with you here, but there's concerns among mainstream media outlets that Trump might try to call in the military. While I don't think this is likely, the zealots in many blue state that at the state level may try go after Trump and try to press nonsensical criminal charges on him which will put him in a pretty difficult position. I've seen hardcore/extreme Trump supporters on places like thedonald.win say something like this would be Trump's "Rubicon moment." Caesar requested a position as governor in the provinces when his term as Consul expired. This would give him legal immunity from his enemies seeking to drag him in the courts. Pompey was open to this, but more extreme members in the Optimates factions such as Cato the Elder called Caesar a tyrant and sought to try him for his conduct in Gaul. This essentially forced Caesar's hand when crossing the rubicon.
I honestly hope some sort of crisis like this doesn't happen. I consider myself pretty fortunate to have been born in a wonderful country like this and hope for the best. I honestly feel like everyone should take a deep breath and chill before engaging in politics as things are getting very heated.
I've been watching things from a distance (you know, I'm a Brit), and... I honestly think you guys are going into a civil war, and quite soon.
Although I don't think the military will (officially) get involved, the population and various factions of politicians are at each others' throats: each broadly lumped together side will not see the other's as the legitimate President, and there are elements, especially on the Left but also on the Right, that are preparing to go batshit crazy.
I'd honestly be unsurprised if there were assassinations attempts by nutcases at Trump, Pence, Biden, and Harris. The Secret Service must be working overtime.
Things are going to get "interesting", in the Chinese sense of the word.
Although I don't think the military will (officially) get involved, the population and various factions of politicians are at each others' throats: each broadly lumped together side will not see the other's as the legitimate President, and there are elements, especially on the Left but also on the Right, that are preparing to go batshit crazy.
I'd honestly be unsurprised if there were assassinations attempts by nutcases at Trump, Pence, Biden, and Harris. The Secret Service must be working overtime.
Things are going to get "interesting", in the Chinese sense of the word.
Oh I don't think so, but personally, I kinda wanna keep this not in mind
We are not there yet.
There will be an uptick in political violence but full civil war not quite yet.
If things are going in the cycle I think they are we get a second populist leader in 8-10 years that will be our last chance at peaceful reform. If that fails then the path to civil wars, not one but several becomes invitable. Also you guys will be involved in it too, so will the entire western world.
I dunno. Something feels different this time.
On the one hand, I hope I'm wrong -- civil wars are bad, after all. On the other, cracking these Leftards' skulls might be the only way to save Western civilization from the rot because if they had their way, we'd be in some sort of oddly blended socialist/communist/fascist/totalitarian dystopia.
Time will tell, I guess.
On the one hand, I hope I'm wrong -- civil wars are bad, after all. On the other, cracking these Leftards' skulls might be the only way to save Western civilization from the rot because if they had their way, we'd be in some sort of oddly blended socialist/communist/fascist/totalitarian dystopia.
Time will tell, I guess.
If the US has a civil war, the world will suffer
Megadeath
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That's a statement so blatantly obvious as to be pointless, and the understatement approaches british humour levels. The world would suffer if their was an Italian or Spanish civil war. If America ever actually reached that point it would upend the entire global order and the all western or democratic form of government, whilst sending seismic waves through every other system on Earth as they adjusted to the new paradigm. Fortunately, we're a long way from that, despite what the fringe elements of certain already politically biased websites might try and circle jerk themselves into believing.
Literally every single person living who has ever run the department of defence has shot down the idea of military intervention in the election. That they've had to is a sad indictment of the state of public political discourse in the US, but it should be considered as a pretty solid indicator of how adults who have demonstrated a degree of responsibility and knowledge of the situation consider the situation. Much like how we can consider the response to the "legal" efforts from trump and his supporters, from even his own appointed judges and officials, as an indication of how poor the efforts in that regard were.
In other words, having been shot down by everyone when it comes to the idea of legally contesting the election, trump is now being faced with pre-emptive and unequivocal repudiation before he can even consider implementing extra-legal attempts to circumvent the actual results of the election.
A civil war without direct military intervention is what people have been saying...