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LordsFire said:
You sound like a bloody broken record. Do you really think that people like Trey Gowdy are controlled opposition? Do you even know who that is?

Some Republicans (Mitt Romney) functionally are such, but certainly not all.
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There are exceptions, but not enough to matter. Hell, there are even a few decent Democrats in office; but are you honestly going to argue that they redeem their entire political party? And if not, it then follows that people like Trey Gowdy don't redeem the Republican party by their mere existence either. I may sound like a broken record to those who don't want to listen, but that's not going to stop me from repeating the truth; and the truth is? Supporting the Republican party is supporting the establishment, who are also the Democrat party.
 
Doomsought said:
The case is provable, there is all sorts of evidence. The problem is that we are denied access to justice.
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If all the cases were denied on technicalities of standing, I might agree with you, but the fact is they weren't. Many were dismissed on the plaintiffs failing to present sufficient evidence to establish a prima facie case, while others were retracted by the plaintiffs themselves.
 
Terthna said:
It's provable; it's just that nobody wants to listen to the evidence, not even the Republicans.
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Or the existing evidence is not strong enough for court, although it's convincing for a layman. Personally I think it has merit, but that's not the same as being accepted by the court, and they need to be pretty sure to mess around with the people's votes.

You're also making a mistake in assuming that they want to stop the Democrats from undoing what Trump did while in office; which couldn't be further from the truth. For most career politicians, there is no such thing as a "Republican" or a "Democrat"; those are just masks they wear to trick the masses into thinking their votes matter. There is only the establishment monoparty.
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Maybe, but that doesn't explain why so many publicly supported Trump's challenge to the vote count and went along with him.
 
LordsFire said:
You sound like a bloody broken record. Do you really think that people like Trey Gowdy are controlled opposition? Do you even know who that is?

Some Republicans (Mitt Romney) functionally are such, but certainly not all.
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There is a full blown schism between the Neocons and MAGA Nationalists at the moment. That is not the mark of controlled opposition. It's the mark of a party shifting into a new paradigm.
 
We are also heading to the end of Easy credit. The extra money from investments is going to start drying up because it will need to be paid to the investors. All of the Boomer savings are going to dry up as the world gets older.

Shoot how many people here have paid into the Social Security system? How many expect to see funds from it?
 
GoldRanger said:
Or the existing evidence is not strong enough for court, although it's convincing for a layman. Personally I think it has merit, but that's not the same as being accepted by the court, and they need to be pretty sure to mess around with the people's votes.
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It doesn't matter if the evidence is strong or not (which I believe it is); the courts refuse to even look at said evidence.

GoldRanger said:
Maybe, but that doesn't explain why so many publicly supported Trump's challenge to the vote count and went along with him.
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They're just trying to co-opt his base; make them think they're supporting the man, when in reality most of them want him gone just as much as the Democrats do.
 
The thing that's bothered me about this whole thing is that even if the media is telling the full truth they can't keep themselves from making it sound like a half lie. Even if trump lost fair and square it's hard to really know for sure because for the past 4 years libs and the media have all but screeched they have ulterior motives. At least when democrats cheated in the past, they had a poker face, now they can't have a poker face even when playing honestly.

I do frankly wish keyboard revolutionist would knock off the larping.
 
Megadeath said:
In other words, not one of the more than 50 legal challenges bought and listened to was able to demonstrate any significant fraud, even when presenting to trump appointed judges, and in fact they lacked evidence to the point where even trump's legal team made a special effort to clarify they weren't alleging fraud in several cases.
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Your numbers are factually incorrect.

Also you're mistaking Trump's legal team with separate groups who also sued.
 
Hastur of Carcosa said:
The thing that's bothered me about this whole thing is that even if the media is telling the full truth they can't keep themselves from making it sound like a half lie. Even if trump lost fair and square it's hard to really know for sure because for the past 4 years libs and the media have all but screeched they have ulterior motives. At least when democrats cheated in the past, they had a poker face, now they can't have a poker face even when playing honestly.

I do frankly wish keyboard revolutionist would knock off the larping.
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Right now we need a million lawyers more then we need a million guns.
 
Cherico said:
Right now we need a million lawyers more then we need a million guns.
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Not much point when the courts refuse to do their job. Personally, I'd settle for people just refusing to accept the legitimacy of an illegitimate government, but even that may be too much to ask because "there's always next time". Yeah, sure; as if we'll be lucky enough to end up with another political outsider in our lifetimes. Trump was a fluke.

Can you tell this election has left me incredibly bitter and cynical?
 
Vaermina said:
Your numbers are factually incorrect.

Also you're mistaking Trump's legal team with separate groups who also sued.
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I never said that all >50 cases were bought by trump though? Also why does it matter who initiated them, in regards to their inability to prove things?
 
Terthna said:
Not much point when the courts refuse to do their job. Personally, I'd settle for people just refusing to accept the legitimacy of an illegitimate government, but even that may be too much to ask because "there's always next time". Yeah, sure; as if we'll be lucky enough to end up with another political outsider in our lifetimes. Trump was a fluke.

Can you tell this election has left me incredibly bitter and cynical?
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Well what are you going to do about it then?
Just sit and bitch in the internet and be all “Woe is me?”

the truth of the matter is that you may think that the Republicans are nothing more than controlled opposition (they are not, but that’s not the point), they are also the only thing standing between the crazy progressives and complete government power.

So, you can continue to bitch about how democrats and Republicans are all alike and sit back and watch our country and our way of life be destroyed or you can go out and do s
something about it. Volunteer for a political campaign, be a poll watcher etc
 
Planchar said:
go out and do something about it. Volunteer for a political campaign, be a poll watcher etc
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It is often the little things that can make the greatest of differences. More poll watchers and no Covid to provide cover for large scale fraud could produce some very interesting results in 2022.

That and also make sure to primary out Neocons whenever possible. There's a battle going on for the GOP right now, and an opportunity has arisen for American Nationalists to kick out a shit ton of RINOs. Regardless of what people thought of Trump, "America First" is not an unpopular sentiment.
 
Terthna said:
Not much point when the courts refuse to do their job. Personally, I'd settle for people just refusing to accept the legitimacy of an illegitimate government, but even that may be too much to ask because "there's always next time". Yeah, sure; as if we'll be lucky enough to end up with another political outsider in our lifetimes. Trump was a fluke.

Can you tell this election has left me incredibly bitter and cynical?
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Judges can be removed, and legal warfare can tie up a lot of their reasources. Going after the big guys is probally out of our grasp going after the various 'non' profits that enemy uses to launder money and other activities thats doable. Take out the money and the low level support first chip at their power base and then after awhile the big fish become vulnerable.
 
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