Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)

[Duke Nukem]

 

[Bacle]

Given how Philly already pissed off Alito with their BS, I highly doubt this won't go to SCOTUS. Because a State level Supreme Court does not get to overrule State legislature on election law, and that is a matter that does require SCOTUS to get involved.

And that's not even factoring in that the PA legislature is talking about invalidating the election results due to the massive amount of irregularities and sending a pro-Trump slate to the EC.

 

[Greengrass]

Given how Philly already pissed off Alito with their BS, I highly doubt this won't go to SCOTUS. Because a State level Supreme Court does not get to overrule State legislature on election law, and that is a matter that does require SCOTUS to get involved.

And that's not even factoring in that the PA legislature is talking about invalidating the election results due to the massive amount of irregularities and sending a pro-Trump slate to the EC.

State Supreme Courts are exactly the people who get to overrule the state legislature on election law, that is literally their job to determine. As far as the PA legislature invalidating the election results, the PA senate has 50 people and the House of Representatives has 203. The number of state congresspeople who support doing that are 8 and 26, respectively. It will go nowhere.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Gentleman.

The Great Reset is a movement, not a scheme. It is simply a bunch of rich people with more money than sense trying to take advantage of a situation in which their window of opportunity is rapidly disappearing. There is too much dissent and chaos behind the scenes for this to be a grand conspiracy. Also, a lot of governments have been practically tripping over themselves to get the vaccine, which to me indicates a lack of desire to stay this way for much longer.

Essentially, you can divide our elites's reaction to this as follows.

Aforementioned billionaires with more money than sense:

Everyone else in a position of authority:

It is both a reassuring and depressing realisation that human stupidity caused this instead of some all powerful cabal behind the scenes pulling the strings. Read up on the fall of Rome (both Republic and Empire) to understand just how devastating an out of touch elite scrambling to regain control can be.

Overestimating the enemy can be every bit as damaging as underestimating them. Calm yourselves and don't get demoralised.

We shall yet see. Its entirely possible that what you say to come to pass. We will only know for sure when the vaccine comes and works and we don't get a 2nd outbreak that is a mutation that requires even more lockdowns. That is all the speculation going around about this.

 

[Doomsought]

The Great Reset is a movement, not a scheme.

Thye difference between a movement and a scheme only has causal relationship with the perpetrators. To the victim, there is no difference between a movement and a scheme.

 

[Vaermina]

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The Presidential Election is by it's very nature a Federal Issue...

 

[Free-Stater 101]

The Presidential Election is by it's very nature a Federal Issue...

I hate to say it, but the constitution says otherwise. States are allowed to pass any legislation they want as far elections go within their border. For instance, if California law suddenly states that all electoral votes of the state every election go to the American Communist Party canidate regardless of who wins unless it happens to overlaps with a clause in the constitution that explicitly says otherwise it can (at least in theory) not be overturned.

 

[Tel Janin Aman]

I hate to say it, but the constitution says otherwise. States are allowed to pass any legislation they want as far elections go within their border. For instance, if California law suddenly states that all electoral votes of the state every election go to the American Communist Party canidate regardless of who wins unless it happens to overlaps with a clause in the constitution that explicitly says otherwise it can (at least in theory) not be overturned.

What the states want hasn't mattered since the civil war. The fed will have its way

 

[Free-Stater 101]

What the states want hasn't mattered since the civil war. The fed will have its way

That's both true and false, you know that! The fact is that the feds can and will run roughshod over wherever they can get wiggle room but in some places that just isn't possible, hence the reason sanctuary cities even exist!

 

[Zachowon]

I hate to say it, but the constitution says otherwise. States are allowed to pass any legislation they want as far elections go within their border. For instance, if California law suddenly states that all electoral votes of the state every election go to the American Communist Party canidate regardless of who wins unless it happens to overlaps with a clause in the constitution that explicitly says otherwise it can (at least in theory) not be overturned.

BUT in PA it is up to the legislature not the court

 

[Free-Stater 101]

BUT in PA it is up to the legislature not the court

I am not arguing against trump of PA state in particular here...just that state law supercedes federal in regards to how elections are conducted within states.

 

[Zachowon]

I am not arguing against trump of Penn state in particular here...just that state law supercedes federal in regards to how elections are conducted within states.

I guess you can say that

 

[Bacle]

I am not arguing against trump of PA state in particular here...just that state law supercedes federal in regards to how elections are conducted within states.

Maybe it's time that changed, because as we have seen letting states do it all on thier own leads to a lot of bullshit and dirty dealings like the Dominion machines.

Have Federal laws/statutes that govern how voting is to be done across the nation, from the acceptable formats to acceptable verifications methods, seems like a must now.

 

[Vaermina]

I hate to say it, but the constitution says otherwise. States are allowed to pass any legislation they want as far elections go within their border. For instance, if California law suddenly states that all electoral votes of the state every election go to the American Communist Party canidate regardless of who wins unless it happens to overlaps with a clause in the constitution that explicitly says otherwise it can (at least in theory) not be overturned.

Three key words there, "within their border".

Presidential elections extend across a states border.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Maybe it's time that changed, because as we have seen letting states do it all on thier own leads to a lot of bullshit and dirty dealings like the Dominion machines.

Have Federal laws/statutes that govern how voting is to be done across the nation, from the acceptable formats to acceptable verifications methods, seems like a must now.

I would rather trust the local politicians in my area over federal selected ones any day at that point your just acting for an oligarchy of statist Clinton's to use those rules to their benefit.

Sure Bacle you might be complaining now, but reverse the situation and I doubt you would be advocating this, remember a rule against them can cut both ways...

 

[Vaermina]

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You really don't want to go down that road given what the federal supreme court already ruled about in concerns to Wisconsin elections.

 

[Vaermina]

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Yes... Because the Governor trying to legislate election law in Pennsylvania is so completely and utterly different from the Governor trying to legislate election law in Wisconsin...

 

[Bacle]

I would rather trust the local politicians in my area over federal selected ones any day at that point your just acting for an oligarchy of statist Clinton's to use those rules to their benefit.

Sure Bacle you might be complaining now, but reverse the situation and I doubt you would be advocating this, remember a rule against them can cut both ways...

I think having some increased uniformity in our election formats, verification standards, and counting machines is not a bad thing.

Because it deals with shit like Nevada's lack of signature verification, and things like states using unsecure Dominion machines when Texas would not certify them because of thier security issues.

States rights should not extend so far as to allow gross breaches of basic election security and verification standards.

 

[Zachowon]

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But it was the courts that went around the legislature that is supposed to go yay or nay to the gov on election stuff

 

[Free-Stater 101]

I think having some increased uniformity in our election formats, verification standards, and counting machines is not a bad thing.

Because it deals with shit like Nevada's lack of signature verification, and things like states using unsecure Dominion machines when Texas would not certify them because of thier security issues.

States rights should not extend so far as to allow gross breaches of basic election security and verification standards.

I agree, but at the same time we will have more influence over how Republican states vote over the short term. I for instance am hoping my state as highly conservative as it is bans voting machines throught the state. Putting the voting system on the national level though makes that an impossibility due to the cult of futurism and bureaucracy that makes up the federal government, especially when by nature giving more power to the feds opens the door for Democrats to influence state elections more in areas they normally wouldn't have any influence in by setting standards in their favor.