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[Zachowon]

No, there won't.

Why?

1) If the Germans are not in on it (and it's hard to imagine they would let Trump take the servers if they were), then that means that they would allow the Americans to come in and do what they want to do. Especially if they had legal authority to do so. And if they even had an idea of what was going on, they don't want to be the ones backing the wrong side. So they take no sides. And they can always say afterwards "Well, whoever did this got what they deserved".

2) This all comes down to German interests. Germany's interests are better served by having Biden in the White House. That's true. So you might have people in Germany willing to help Biden cheat, assuming anyone would bother to tell them. But if Biden gets caught, the Germans are not going to be eager to risk backing any side. Because if the side they back loses, then the Germans are going to be blamed for it. You think Russia-Gate was bad PR for Russia? Imagine finding a server in Germany after having associated that with election fraud and Germany trying to stop Trump from getting it. Those US bases would be empty by February if Trump had to fly there himself and scream in a megaphone to every US soldier to pack their shit up and go home.

3) It would only heighten paranoia about Germany's vulnerability to the USA. Merkel has to at least be able to say "Well, we let them do it". Her coming out and saying "The USA basically does whatever the fuck it wants, get used to it", the German people will be furious and demand the US leave because they would feel mistreated.

4) As Zachowon mentioned, this was probably done with full German approval. The US, even under Trump, does not want to run roughshod over a sovereign nation unless it feels it has to. And if the Germans weren't in on it, they aren't going to be happy that a bunch of US politicians PLANTED A DIRTY VOTING SEVER IN THEIR COUNTRY. Even if they were in on it, the Germans are NOT going to want to take responsibility for it. Even if it's a hushed understanding between Trump and Merkel of "Hey, I knew what they were doing, but I let you catch them"

There are so many reasons why Germany is not going to want to raise a fuss, it's hard to pick one.

The US tries to generally work with places they are going to do such things in if they can help it. IF they can is the point that should be taken out of this. I do think they had permission for this one

 

[Isem]

Caesar himself almost got proscribed, he had relatives and connections who convinced Sulla to(grudgingly) get his name off the lists. It is said that Sulla, when he took Caesar off the proscription list, said something like 'I'll spare him if that's your wish, but be warned; I see in him a thousand Marii'.

The real irony is that because of Sulla's proscriptions Caesar didn't want to copy him when he took power and was extremely generous to his enemies. Who promptly took the opportunity to assassinate him which paved the way for the second Triumvirate who did proscribe their enemies which included the people Caesar spared.

 

[Aldarion]

When you are trying to win a cultural war, lying is counter-productive unless you are committing to lies as your entire philosophy, in which case you are clearly in the wrong, and among those who need to be defeated.

Modern Progressive ideology consists of nothing but lies, and they are winning.

 

[JagerIV]

Eh, the Democratic party survived being on the wrong side of the civil war. A little election fraud will not break them.

 

[MelancholicMechanicus]

Yeah but it also took like 20 years for them to get a president again, and for a long ass time only the former confederacy had Democrat control base and too years for them to expand out of that again.

 

[LordsFire]

Modern Progressive ideology consists of nothing but lies, and they are winning.

Reread the rest of what you quoted again.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Reread the rest of what you quoted again.

The progressives are "winning" because they're waging a battle most people don't think anyone is retarded enough to wage. A lot of people on the right don't seem to get that.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Depends on how far they can go. These people have Epstein level connections and lawyers. They will use every trick in the book to try and sneak out of the way of trouble and let Biden and some of his staff be the fall guys while the real power slides out. However depending on how decisive this is we could see a northern Ireland type situation in terms of civil war: Not a actual proper war by high friction between powers that be and some violence.

Regardless the Dems can expect to lose all centrist support for the next 8 years at least. The party would likely shatter into 2 or 3 each blaming the other for going too far or not going far enough or trying to cheat and getting caught or not fighting the accusations and being set up.

yes people do not realize this. If there is a civil war, it will be more like the IRA terroist attacks as opposed to a traditional war.

 

[Doomsought]

Also worth remembering the western liberal democracy as a system is barely 100 years old in most of the world. The USA can be said to be the oldest such system with it's less than 250 years of age. Compare that to feudalism and absolutism and it becomes clear it is not a time tested system.

Even then, the USA has had interruptions where it wasn't a western liberal democracy, such as the reign of Woodrow Wilson, who by proscription stole all the gold in the US.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Even then, the USA has had interruptions where it wasn't a western liberal democracy, such as the reign of Woodrow Wilson, who by proscription stole all the gold in the US.

Ah, good old Wilson. He really wasn't the best of Presidents, was he?

 

[DarthOne]

Ah, good old Wilson. He really wasn't the best of Presidents, was he?

No. Not he was not. I’d go so far to say he’s one of the worse presidents, if not a good competitor for THE worse, the US has had. He left the country in a far worse state then what it was, not to mention how his various policies actively did not help the on international level.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

No. Not he was not. I’d go so far to say he’s one of the worse presidents, if not a good competitor for THE worse, the US has had. He left the country in a far worse state then what it was, not to mention how his various policies actively did not help the on international level.

As I understand it, he had a hand in the break up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire which ultimately proved to be a disaster for central Europe. He did start a long trend of America buggering about in foreign politics it didn't understand and making a pig's ear of it.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

No. Not he was not. I’d go so far to say he’s one of the worse presidents, if not a good competitor for THE worse, the US has had. He left the country in a far worse state then what it was, not to mention how his various policies actively did not help the on international level.

He also started up the idea that the US should be in the nation building business which other than post war Japan and West Germany really hasn't worked

 

[The Original Sixth]

Modern Progressive ideology consists of nothing but lies, and they are winning.

Well, they say they're winning.

They're not nearly winning as you might think they are.

In fact, they're losing pretty hardcore.

 

[Isem]

Meanwhile in Milwaukee, there's a fight going on about the recount and how it's to be carried out:



Twitter account belongs to Bob Spindell, a member of the Wisconsin electoral commission.

Wisconsin Elections Commission debates several issues related to recount

Wisconsin’s partial recount is set to begin Friday with the sole focus on Milwaukee and Dane County’s vote. President Trump officially requested the recount Wednesday and his campaign paid $3 million for it to take place.

www.tmj4.com

 

[Aldarion]

Well, they say they're winning.

They're not nearly winning as you might think they are.

In fact, they're losing pretty hardcore.

I will believe that when I see education, media and social media as well as economy fall out of their hands. And not just droplets, but big time.

Fact is, battle over political establishment doesn't matter anywhere as much as many (most???) people think it does. It cannot determine anything in the long term; and Left has already pushed things to the point that modern-day mainstream Right is yesteryear's moderate Left.

 

[DarthOne]

I will believe that when I see education, media and social media as well as economy fall out of their hands. And not just droplets, but big time.

Fact is, battle over political establishment doesn't matter anywhere as much as many (most???) people think it does. It cannot determine anything in the long term; and Left has already pushed things to the point that modern-day mainstream Right is yesteryear's moderate Left.

It will be a difficult fight, yes. But as the proverb says, the journey of a thousand miles brings with a single step.

And if the pendulum of politics and social outlook can swing one way, it can always swing back.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I will believe that when I see education, media and social media as well as economy fall out of their hands. And not just droplets, but big time.

Fact is, battle over political establishment doesn't matter anywhere as much as many (most???) people think it does. It cannot determine anything in the long term; and Left has already pushed things to the point that modern-day mainstream Right is yesteryear's moderate Left.

dude your the modern day equivilant of a Tori (Those that supported the crown during the revolutionary war) you're philoshphy always was a niche in the US and always will be short of a mass extinction event. Unless you spearhead your own political party your not going to see "Winning" anytime soon.

 

[Spartan303]

I will believe that when I see education, media and social media as well as economy fall out of their hands. And not just droplets, but big time.

Fact is, battle over political establishment doesn't matter anywhere as much as many (most???) people think it does. It cannot determine anything in the long term; and Left has already pushed things to the point that modern-day mainstream Right is yesteryear's moderate Left.

Its already begun. CNN missed their target profit set by 100 Million dollars. The The network is hemorrhaging money badly and its only going to get worse. AT&T are actually looking to sell it but so far there are no takers. Fox News, once the dominant Force among the mainstream media saw their ratings, and thus profits cut in half with their recent actions. MSNBC and ABC are doing better than CNN but not yet better than Fox. All of them are hurting though.

 

[Es Arcanum]

Don't know if this is important or not but the US Supreme Court just divided up the USA appelate circuits and gave its members responsibility over them.

SCOTUS issues new circuit assignments | One America News Network

Justices on the Supreme Court received their circuit assignments, which created optimism for conservatives.

www.oann.com

Alito got 3rd Circuit (Pennsylvania)

Kavanaugh got 6th Circuit (Michigan)

Barret got 7th Circuit (Wisconsin)

and Thomas got 11th Circuit (Georgia).

Roberts of course got D.C. and the Federal Circuits (and the 4th which includes Virginia).

"The Circuit Justice is primarily responsible for a range of legal requests in the circuit’s geographic area, such as applications to block an execution or requests to extend filing deadlines.
The new assignments put crucial battleground states like Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin and Michigan into conservative justices’ jurisdiction.
Of the 13 circuits, 10 were assigned to conservative justices including the District of Columbia Circuit and Federal Circuit. These circuits are where the most high-profile cases are carried out. Moving forward, these justices have the power to influence cases with a direct impact on such matters as the election.
For example, earlier this month Justice Samuel Alito ordered election officials in Pennsylvania to segregate mail-in ballots to ensure election boards were complying with election law.

Additionally, justices can opt to bring cases from their circuit straight to the Supreme Court "