Arch Dornan
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I should go.
Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)
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LifeisTiresome
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Just look at UA. He said all that he said but claims "I'm a centrist"
Most centrists I have observed are for the left or say that the left may be bad but they only truly focus on those opposing the left saying you are acting just like they are or stop complaining.
Hence why I say Centrists are Leftists in denial or just leftists calling themselves centrists.
I also consider myself a centrist, but I disagree with Anchovy vehemently.
LifeisTiresome
Well-known member
**shrug**
Maybe you and @Hlaalu Agent are true centrists whatever that means.
I'm just telling what I have seen of how "centrists" act.
@Unhappy Anchovy This is my evidence, and I will leave it at that. I don't want to fight with you anymore, since I believe you are being a dishonest humanoid rodent, that is acting like a particular breed of Canberran.
Let us run through the article's signs of voter fraud.
The first being, too many voters. Well, we have illegals voting, dead people voting, people voting in multiple states, cats getting ballots. And now the highest voter turnout with all of the other red flags? That seems to be a check.
The second being a high turnout in specific areas. Well got an example there, and I'll have to dig out more. But 85% in the USA? Now that is suspicious, Powhatan County sees 85 percent voter turnout This concrete example alongside all those ballots showing up exactly where they were needed. Yeah I'll file this under a possible check.
The third being, large numbers of invalid votes. Well we have Trump votes being disposed of, not the same thing but same spirit. The Sharpie gate. People signing affidavits that Trump votes are being tossed. And I am sure other people will help me bring up more examples, so that is a possible check.
Fourth is more votes than ballot papers issued. Lets see, claims of people trucking votes in, large numbers of Biden only votes, and the refusal to properly handle votes in Pennsylvania and segregate possible problem ballots. I'd say a possible check, and maybe even a check due to the latter.
The last of which is delay in announcing results. And isn't that exactly what happened in several key swing states? And haven't the democrats been intentionally trying to draw it out? Definitely another check on the last.
So, for a cursory examination, I can say 2/5 on signs of voter fraud at the very least. And it is strange is it not, that all of these allegations coming out match these criteria quite well. And even things you actually acknowledge and then downplay match this article. And to quote the article, "Mobile phones have made elections much more transparent.
It is now standard practice to allow party agents, observers and sometimes even voters to watch the counting process and take photographs of the results sheet with their phones."
They say this in an article, about fraud in African countries. So if it is standard process to have observers even in these countries, then why are the democrats interfering with republican observers? If even African countries have observers as standard practice to prevent corruption. Does it not strike you as odd they would be impeded in a first world country?
I am pretty sure he will get stuck at the, "Welcome to Coneria", "I like swords." loop.
I consider myself a moderate right-winger.
Vote rigging: How to spot the tell-tale signs
Elizabeth Blunt, who witnessed her first African election in Nigeria in 1979, looks at how to spot the tell-tale signs of possible rigging.
www.bbc.com
Let us run through the article's signs of voter fraud.
The first being, too many voters. Well, we have illegals voting, dead people voting, people voting in multiple states, cats getting ballots. And now the highest voter turnout with all of the other red flags? That seems to be a check.
The second being a high turnout in specific areas. Well got an example there, and I'll have to dig out more. But 85% in the USA? Now that is suspicious, Powhatan County sees 85 percent voter turnout This concrete example alongside all those ballots showing up exactly where they were needed. Yeah I'll file this under a possible check.
The third being, large numbers of invalid votes. Well we have Trump votes being disposed of, not the same thing but same spirit. The Sharpie gate. People signing affidavits that Trump votes are being tossed. And I am sure other people will help me bring up more examples, so that is a possible check.
Fourth is more votes than ballot papers issued. Lets see, claims of people trucking votes in, large numbers of Biden only votes, and the refusal to properly handle votes in Pennsylvania and segregate possible problem ballots. I'd say a possible check, and maybe even a check due to the latter.
The last of which is delay in announcing results. And isn't that exactly what happened in several key swing states? And haven't the democrats been intentionally trying to draw it out? Definitely another check on the last.
So, for a cursory examination, I can say 2/5 on signs of voter fraud at the very least. And it is strange is it not, that all of these allegations coming out match these criteria quite well. And even things you actually acknowledge and then downplay match this article. And to quote the article, "Mobile phones have made elections much more transparent.
It is now standard practice to allow party agents, observers and sometimes even voters to watch the counting process and take photographs of the results sheet with their phones."
They say this in an article, about fraud in African countries. So if it is standard process to have observers even in these countries, then why are the democrats interfering with republican observers? If even African countries have observers as standard practice to prevent corruption. Does it not strike you as odd they would be impeded in a first world country?
I am pretty sure he will get stuck at the, "Welcome to Coneria", "I like swords." loop.
I consider myself a moderate right-winger.
Unhappy Anchovy
Well-known member
It's true, I haven't used this topic to condemn something entirely unrelated to this topic and to what I was talking about.
Wait, what?
I do not consider myself to be on the right or on the left. Sometimes people call me conservative (usually left-wingers), and sometimes people call me leftist (usually right-wingers), but how people label me is, in the end, their problem.
Again I think you're resorting to insults rather than argument.
As to your actual argument for fraud, there's no evidence there? You only link a single claim about the American election. The rest is just your assertions that the American election meets these criteria, even though you don't provide evidence for those assertions, and in most cases they're just false. To wit:
1) No, you don't have illegals voting, dead people voting, or people voting in multiple states. You have not sourced any of those claims, and they are simply false. CISA clearly say, in their second point, that votes by dead people aren't being counted. Dead people did not vote. Nor was there massive illegal voting. You can turn around and tell me that FactCheck are biased liars, and I certainly can't stop you, but I can say with just as much justification that, say, Breitbart, which is definitely pushing the illegal voting argument, are also biased liars.
2) Suspiciously high turnout. Is it? American turnout is usually low across the nation as a whole, but that needs to be looked at in the context of most states not being swing states, votes there not mattering, and that lowering turnout. Swing states and especially swing counties often see much higher turnout. As your link notes, Powhatan County's 20202 turnout of 85.42% is only a modest improvement over its 2016 turnout of 81.4%. Powhatan also enjoyed over 81% turnout in 2008. For whatever reason Powhatan County seems to have a very high rate of civic engagement, and this has been consistent over the last few elections. Its turnout increase of ~4% for 2020 is actually significantly less than the increase in the nation as a whole (the US has gone from 55.7% in 2016 to an estimated 66.8% in 2020), so Powhatan actually has an unusually low increase in turnout. So, no, Powhatan's turnout of 85% is not suspicious.
3) You don't have large numbers of invalid votes. Your claims in this section are simply not true. You cite the sharpie incident: that was untrue, as the CISA page I linked above clearly indicates. 'Sharpiegate' is not true. You don't cite any other specific incidents, so I can't reply to them. Nonetheless I feel confident that your argument is simply based on falsehoods.
4) You don't have more votes than ballots issued. Again, this is simply not true. This assertion was checked for Wisconsin and it was simply that someone was using out-of-date voter registration statistics. (USA Today and Snopes also discussed this one.)
5) Delays in announcing results. This is again not really true? Not all states announced results on election night, but that was clearly indicated beforehand: due to not being allowed to start counting postal votes until election night itself, it would take longer to produce a count. The states in question were open and transparent about that requirement, so that's not suspicious. And no, the Democrats have not been 'intentionally trying to draw it out' - I don't know where you got that idea.
So, no, none of those suspicious things are happening in the United States. The fraud claim is a house of cards.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Just the short comment on how Left organizes things:
monarchistconservative.wordpress.com
While the idea of stealing votes may seem weird and impossible, Marxists have – historically – done far worse than that. And may attempt to do so in the United States, if their theft of elections from Trump succeeds. Fact is that modern Left are nothing but globalist Marxists, the heirs of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and remainder of the crop of genocidal idealists.
Parliamentary elections had been held in Yugoslavia on 11th November 1945. The only party allowed to participate in the elections was the National Front, that is, Communists. This is no different from modern Western parliamentary democracy, where all mainstream parties are either Left or extreme Left. In USA, Democrats are extreme Left while Republicans are moderate Left. In Croatia, SDP is extreme Left while HDZ are moderate Left. Only Donald Trump was somewhat to the Right, being a paleoconservative. But Paleoconservatives had been excorcised out of the Republican Party. Instead, their place was taken by Neoconservatives.
But neoconservatives are leftists. In 1950s and 1960s, future neoconservatives had endorsed the civil rights movement, racial integration and Martin Luther King Jr. They also endorsed the leftist-style foreign interventionism. What became neoconservatives were actually Democratic Party rejects, people who had left the party as it accepted Marxist-Leninist Communism. Former Republicans are now called paleoconservatives, and these are the true American Conservatives. Neoconservatives of the Republican Party are the Paleodemocrats, and new Democrats are Internationalist Communists.
This fact alone makes a joke out of elections: if only choice is between the moderate and extreme left, then there is preciously little choice at all. Politics will continue sliding leftwards, former moderate Left will become Center, and new Left will be forced to become even more extreme. Eventually, things will get to the point once unthinkable, as seen from modern Left's promotion of homoseuxality, pedophilia and related ideas.
Things do not stop at the lack of choice, however. Modern "democratic" Left has taken a clue from old-school Communists on how to organize elections. Communists did not allow the opposition to organize, to promote itself, or even public activity. Opposition was also oppressed and frightened, up to and including the physical violence. After the "liberation" in 1945., Communists proceeded to murder all the prominent political opponents: not only HSP and Ustashi, but also HSS which – up until that point – had been the premier antifascist party in Croatia. Voting could be only for or against Communists, and all the votes were recorded: those who voted against were listed as the "enemies of the people" (voting was done by dropping literal balls into separate boxes, so it was obvious who voted "for" or "against"). Even so, 15% of people in Zagreb voted against Communists, but CK KPH reported that only 6% had voted against. All candidates which could be voted for were from the Communist National Front. While some candidates were not officially Communist, they were always people who backed the Communists.
Modern Left does the same: the opposition is declared Nazis, Fascists etc., is censored and its activity is at every point opposed and disrupted. People who oppose the left have difficulty finding employment as any Left-controlled institutions reject them. And since most of media are Leftist, they have no voice either. Left has also been using physical violence ever since Trump was elected: Black Lives Matter, Antifa and other violent organizations are mostly financed by Leftists, by George Soros and his ilk. Despite all of that, Left would have lost the fair and square elections; as such, gerrymandering, false ballots and other tricks are used to ensure its dominance.
How Left wins elections
While the idea of stealing votes may seem weird and impossible, Marxists have – historically – done far worse than that. And may attempt to do so in the United States, if their theft of elections f…
monarchistconservative.wordpress.com
While the idea of stealing votes may seem weird and impossible, Marxists have – historically – done far worse than that. And may attempt to do so in the United States, if their theft of elections from Trump succeeds. Fact is that modern Left are nothing but globalist Marxists, the heirs of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and remainder of the crop of genocidal idealists.
Parliamentary elections had been held in Yugoslavia on 11th November 1945. The only party allowed to participate in the elections was the National Front, that is, Communists. This is no different from modern Western parliamentary democracy, where all mainstream parties are either Left or extreme Left. In USA, Democrats are extreme Left while Republicans are moderate Left. In Croatia, SDP is extreme Left while HDZ are moderate Left. Only Donald Trump was somewhat to the Right, being a paleoconservative. But Paleoconservatives had been excorcised out of the Republican Party. Instead, their place was taken by Neoconservatives.
But neoconservatives are leftists. In 1950s and 1960s, future neoconservatives had endorsed the civil rights movement, racial integration and Martin Luther King Jr. They also endorsed the leftist-style foreign interventionism. What became neoconservatives were actually Democratic Party rejects, people who had left the party as it accepted Marxist-Leninist Communism. Former Republicans are now called paleoconservatives, and these are the true American Conservatives. Neoconservatives of the Republican Party are the Paleodemocrats, and new Democrats are Internationalist Communists.
This fact alone makes a joke out of elections: if only choice is between the moderate and extreme left, then there is preciously little choice at all. Politics will continue sliding leftwards, former moderate Left will become Center, and new Left will be forced to become even more extreme. Eventually, things will get to the point once unthinkable, as seen from modern Left's promotion of homoseuxality, pedophilia and related ideas.
Things do not stop at the lack of choice, however. Modern "democratic" Left has taken a clue from old-school Communists on how to organize elections. Communists did not allow the opposition to organize, to promote itself, or even public activity. Opposition was also oppressed and frightened, up to and including the physical violence. After the "liberation" in 1945., Communists proceeded to murder all the prominent political opponents: not only HSP and Ustashi, but also HSS which – up until that point – had been the premier antifascist party in Croatia. Voting could be only for or against Communists, and all the votes were recorded: those who voted against were listed as the "enemies of the people" (voting was done by dropping literal balls into separate boxes, so it was obvious who voted "for" or "against"). Even so, 15% of people in Zagreb voted against Communists, but CK KPH reported that only 6% had voted against. All candidates which could be voted for were from the Communist National Front. While some candidates were not officially Communist, they were always people who backed the Communists.
Modern Left does the same: the opposition is declared Nazis, Fascists etc., is censored and its activity is at every point opposed and disrupted. People who oppose the left have difficulty finding employment as any Left-controlled institutions reject them. And since most of media are Leftist, they have no voice either. Left has also been using physical violence ever since Trump was elected: Black Lives Matter, Antifa and other violent organizations are mostly financed by Leftists, by George Soros and his ilk. Despite all of that, Left would have lost the fair and square elections; as such, gerrymandering, false ballots and other tricks are used to ensure its dominance.
LifeisTiresome
Well-known member
Thats what all centrists say. I'm not of the left or the right. But from what I see, they are of the left. They just talk a big game.
Interesting.Just the short comment on how Left organizes things:
How Left wins elections
While the idea of stealing votes may seem weird and impossible, Marxists have – historically – done far worse than that. And may attempt to do so in the United States, if their theft of elections f…
While the idea of stealing votes may seem weird and impossible, Marxists have – historically – done far worse than that. And may attempt to do so in the United States, if their theft of elections from Trump succeeds. Fact is that modern Left are nothing but globalist Marxists, the heirs of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and remainder of the crop of genocidal idealists.
Parliamentary elections had been held in Yugoslavia on 11th November 1945. The only party allowed to participate in the elections was the National Front, that is, Communists. This is no different from modern Western parliamentary democracy, where all mainstream parties are either Left or extreme Left. In USA, Democrats are extreme Left while Republicans are moderate Left. In Croatia, SDP is extreme Left while HDZ are moderate Left. Only Donald Trump was somewhat to the Right, being a paleoconservative. But Paleoconservatives had been excorcised out of the Republican Party. Instead, their place was taken by Neoconservatives.
But neoconservatives are leftists. In 1950s and 1960s, future neoconservatives had endorsed the civil rights movement, racial integration and Martin Luther King Jr. They also endorsed the leftist-style foreign interventionism. What became neoconservatives were actually Democratic Party rejects, people who had left the party as it accepted Marxist-Leninist Communism. Former Republicans are now called paleoconservatives, and these are the true American Conservatives. Neoconservatives of the Republican Party are the Paleodemocrats, and new Democrats are Internationalist Communists.
This fact alone makes a joke out of elections: if only choice is between the moderate and extreme left, then there is preciously little choice at all. Politics will continue sliding leftwards, former moderate Left will become Center, and new Left will be forced to become even more extreme. Eventually, things will get to the point once unthinkable, as seen from modern Left's promotion of homoseuxality, pedophilia and related ideas.
Things do not stop at the lack of choice, however. Modern "democratic" Left has taken a clue from old-school Communists on how to organize elections. Communists did not allow the opposition to organize, to promote itself, or even public activity. Opposition was also oppressed and frightened, up to and including the physical violence. After the "liberation" in 1945., Communists proceeded to murder all the prominent political opponents: not only HSP and Ustashi, but also HSS which – up until that point – had been the premier antifascist party in Croatia. Voting could be only for or against Communists, and all the votes were recorded: those who voted against were listed as the "enemies of the people" (voting was done by dropping literal balls into separate boxes, so it was obvious who voted "for" or "against"). Even so, 15% of people in Zagreb voted against Communists, but CK KPH reported that only 6% had voted against. All candidates which could be voted for were from the Communist National Front. While some candidates were not officially Communist, they were always people who backed the Communists.
Modern Left does the same: the opposition is declared Nazis, Fascists etc., is censored and its activity is at every point opposed and disrupted. People who oppose the left have difficulty finding employment as any Left-controlled institutions reject them. And since most of media are Leftist, they have no voice either. Left has also been using physical violence ever since Trump was elected: Black Lives Matter, Antifa and other violent organizations are mostly financed by Leftists, by George Soros and his ilk. Despite all of that, Left would have lost the fair and square elections; as such, gerrymandering, false ballots and other tricks are used to ensure its dominance.
I have said it before. The Left did not change, not really.
@CarlManvers2019
For example would say that the left change cause they no longer support free speech and I used to think the same thing. But fundamentally, the truth is that they only supported it cause they wanted to be able to spread their beliefs, doctrines, etc around as well as attack their enemies with free reign. As soon as the left have power? Time to get rid of free speech.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Indeed. The only reason why they seem different is that they are forced to operate within somewhat-democratic system. But as soon as they can they will get rid of the democracy. Remember that democracy is based on decentralization: a monarchy can be more democratic than a republic/democracy if it is more decentralized. And Left has always promoted centralization: strong state, strong supranational organizations and, eventually, One World Government.
Becouse they belive in possibility of creating NEW MAN.If you belive that current people are bad,you do not let them decide for themselves,right?
Of course,if that was possible Lenin,Stalin,Hitler,Mao or PolPot would arleady created new humans.
In reality all they made were soviet people - dudes who always support stronger and "belive" in whatsover stronger ordered.
I almost wish that muslim conqer Europe - it would be fun to see dudes who worship lgbt religion attacking homosexuals ,becouse that is what Koran wants.
Problem is,i live in Europe,too......
Here's something interesting. If you go on Twitter right now and try to search under #Dominion or #DominionVotingSystems Twitter will try and tell you that not a single person in the past few days has used said hashtag even as it's own autocomplete tells you that the former has had 270 tweets in the last hour.
It's amazing that Trump who was the president for these last 4 years with many allies in states where this alleged fraud was happening was unable to prevent it or even bring up an actual proof of it. Instead having to rely on shady affidavits and hearsay to make his case.
Like how Did Brian Kemp one of Trumps most aligned governors let so much voter-fraud against him and his party go on, it's truly a mystery? Guess he must also be a secret member of the Deep state
Like how Did Brian Kemp one of Trumps most aligned governors let so much voter-fraud against him and his party go on, it's truly a mystery? Guess he must also be a secret member of the Deep state
I mean, if the dems played fair they wouldn't be trying to fight Trump.
Accepting all your claims as true, his incompetence is astounding. He wasn't even able to prevent fraud in states his allies controlled. How do you think he would be able to accomplish that if he couldn't even do the simplest task of preventing fraud in Georgia?
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You do realize that this election in the US hits every one of the US State Departments criteria for a likely fraudulent election, right?
My good chap when a Tiger is about to strike it's prey dead. Does it make a shit ton of noise or does it slowly and methodically move into position to pounce. Do not mistake Trump being quiet for anything other than a manuver. LIke I said earlier shit is gonna get real this week.
Because it is harder to prevent fraud then catch it oddly enough. The US military MEPS is a very good example. They literally can Fine you and kick you out for lying and yet people do, and only get checked AFTER they make it to basic.
Didnt he say this week is when all come crashing down on the dems?
That is quiet for Trump.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
If Trump got it he's got it or he's done.