sadly as bad as it is for us in many countries the consolidation is even worse with even fewer companies controlling the media, that said trust busting is a thing.
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sadly as bad as it is for us in many countries the consolidation is even worse with even fewer companies controlling the media, that said trust busting is a thing.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Well, I’m more inclined to agree with the quote from KF. If Trump loses, it will be bad. Then again, I think we’re doomed even if Trump wins but I still see some major positives to a Trump presidency. I would actually say that Trump being in office, even if he hasn’t been that effective in changing policies to undermine the establishment, has had a good influence on America’s right and the GOP in waking them up to how corrupt our media and institutions are.
The “return to normalcy” that we might feel with Biden in office and the leftists behaving better is probably worse for red-pilling purposes. I think if Biden wins and the left is wise, they will step back their radicalism and call off BLM and Antifa, but their minds might be too addled by their own leftist propaganda to do that.
Of course, if you’re an accelerationist, Biden winning and the leftist becoming even more insane might be your preference, but I’m not that far along... yet.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Oh that was the tip of the iceberg with Winston. He was grumpy, uncooperative, flew off into wild rages, eccentric to all shit, you name it. But he had bollocks, and that was what was needed at the time.
People also forget that after Gallipoli and his resignation from the Admiralty, he actually fought in the trenches of the Western Front. He was an old soldier and not frightened by much. Apparently he was even known to wander onto the roof of his bunker during the Blitz to watch the Luftwaffe bomb London, much to the consternation of his staff. A far greater man than Boris Johnson could ever hope to be.
LifeisTiresome
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What do you guys think of this take from KF?
israel is not what you're looking for then. absolutely nobody except the hyper niche jew obsessed stormfront laper cares about israel that much, even many actual hardcore nazis don't give a flying fuck about that little jews vs muslims cold war on the other side of the globe.
wanna know why trumps core white male base is disappointed? look at his promises and how they turned out:
>"we need to build a wall"
4 years later, wall not built
>"they need to go back"
4 years later, still no mass deportations in sight
>"drain the swamp!"
4 years later, DC is as swampy as ever
>"lock her up!"
4 years later, orange man himself is closer to being locked up than clinton ever was
what did trump actually do over his term? he passed a big tax cut bill, that's basically it. everything else was meaningless PR stunts (jerusalem embassy, north korea diplomacy, china saber rattling, muslim travel bans) with no real impact in the big picture.
well, fucking around with that iranian general might have big impact in the middle east, and his korea/china shenanigans might have some impact in east asia, but all of it is completely irrelevant when it comes to white men in america, who are not at all concerned with north korea, china, israel or iran, but very much concerned about things like ongoing mass immigration and omnipresent leftist propaganda/indoctrination.
tl;dr trump wasted 4 years on things that don't matter, while ignoring the things that do matter.
israel is not what you're looking for then. absolutely nobody except the hyper niche jew obsessed stormfront laper cares about israel that much, even many actual hardcore nazis don't give a flying fuck about that little jews vs muslims cold war on the other side of the globe.
wanna know why trumps core white male base is disappointed? look at his promises and how they turned out:
>"we need to build a wall"
4 years later, wall not built
>"they need to go back"
4 years later, still no mass deportations in sight
>"drain the swamp!"
4 years later, DC is as swampy as ever
>"lock her up!"
4 years later, orange man himself is closer to being locked up than clinton ever was
what did trump actually do over his term? he passed a big tax cut bill, that's basically it. everything else was meaningless PR stunts (jerusalem embassy, north korea diplomacy, china saber rattling, muslim travel bans) with no real impact in the big picture.
well, fucking around with that iranian general might have big impact in the middle east, and his korea/china shenanigans might have some impact in east asia, but all of it is completely irrelevant when it comes to white men in america, who are not at all concerned with north korea, china, israel or iran, but very much concerned about things like ongoing mass immigration and omnipresent leftist propaganda/indoctrination.
tl;dr trump wasted 4 years on things that don't matter, while ignoring the things that do matter.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Yes, that is horrible and a terrible threat to our nation. As is the uniformity of agenda that almost all big corporations have, including those involved in disseminating information.
Then again, who can we trust to fix that? The people most of the government institutions are on the same side as the media moguls. Given the power to regulate media, they might outlaw independent media and empower establishment media.
Maybe, just possibly, Trump could do something in that direction if he wins re-election.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
FREE media are a pillar of democracy. That is not wrong - it was true even in ancient Rome, and in the Byzantine Empire informed and politically active citizenry pretty much turned a de iure autocratic monarchy into a de facto republic. What is wrong, however, is the idea that any and all, or, rather, modern mainstream media are a pillar of democracy. That is wrong.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
What? hundreds of miles of wall has been built so far, its being built.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
It's being built as we speak.
Immigration has plummeted under Trump.
The Neocons have been made politically irrelevant whilst the Supreme Court has been reclaimed for the Conservatives.
A campaign slogan and chest pounding that probably wasn't going to go anywhere.
The conceit of the Neo Reactionaries, as preposterous and filled up to the gills with black pills are they are (which is why they blind themselves to Trump's accomplishments), is that they expect Trump to be Princeps of the Roman Empire instead of President of the United States. He works within a system bound by constitution instead of being an autocrat with total power. Besides, you will not get everything you want in four years. If I were a White Nationalist, I'd be very pleased with Trump because he has laid foundations for us to build upon, but I'd understand we still have a long way to go. Problems that were made over the course of decades will take decades to undo.
The wall would need a decade to build, best case. Trump secured funding for what? 5 years? This doesnt factor in other things like law suites and other forms of obstruction.
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ShieldWife
Marchioness
I think that they make a good point. In many ways, Trump has been largely ineffective, most notably on immigration which is the single issue upon which the future of Western civilizing hinges on and is the core issue that got him into the White House.
Then again, Trump has had ridiculous amounts of resistance from the establishment at every level. As soon as he gets into office, they trump up these ridiculous Russia charges and spend years investigating him and jailing his allies. The FBI was complicit in this. His own cabinet was disloyal. The media and numerous big corporations worked together to oppose him. Maybe Trump would have been more effective under different circumstances, but he is but one man, a political novice at that, thrust into the swamp to fight off multiple swamp monsters at once.
I’m not sure how to judge Trump, he is far from perfect, but in comparison to his enemies he’s just about saintly. It seems like even if he hasn’t done much for his white male core of supporters, that they would still support him considering that fact that the left basically hates white males and thinks that they are the cause of all of the world’s problems.
It seems like Trump is more a symbol of a movement than anything else. If you look at only the substance of his presidency, the policies he has enacted in office, they aren’t really that noteworthy. Though he may have temporarily staved off some terrible policies that another president may have put in place.
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Trump is personally an avaricious and mercurial figure. He is invested with his office and its prestige due to the people who elected him. These people wanted to rebel against a government and system which had ignored and repressed them for a long time.
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
sorry I didn't respond last night but I had to go to bed at some point. Unless your bloodline were aristocrats or religious zealouts, I doubt your family was thinking beyond maybe 10-20 years in the future. Could be wrong but I seriously doubt it. What most likely happened Is each family worried about thier owm prosparity and it gradual built up over time. You don't need a god emperor to have that, it helps makes things easier but it's not required. Trump was no conservative he ran the country like it was a buisness and ironically by doing so he's done more to help the constitution than all of the dreamers and doomers have done in the past 3 now going on 4 decades. and even you pointed out they weren't exacly groundbreaking new ideas, just basic common sense stuff. not trying to undermine your family history but I do think it's being a bit romanticized.
Try worrying about your own prosperity and teaching your personal principles and see how far that takes you in life.....and for the love of pete don't become one of those blasted accelerationist.
PeliusAnar
Well-known member
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It seems somewhat rediculous to imply prople dont care sbout the future, which seems to be your idea.
Maybe your so shallow to 9nly care about the bext 10 years, but that puts you in an immense minority. Well, hopefully. If most only care about the next 10 years, were all doomed anyways.
Tzeentchean Perspective
Well-known member
I can't help but picture Trump's legal team saying "Alright time's up, let's do this LEEEEEROOOOY JEEEENKINS!" after seeing this.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Problem of (most) neoreactionaries is that they - much like literally everybody else - do not understand the politics of power. If there is one thing I have realized through my study of Byzantine Empire and medieval Hungary, it is that institutions and systems of government simply do not matter if taken on face value. What matters are relations of power, and "visible system" only matters insomuch as it influences and partly shapes a portion of said relations. And those relations can be very different from what political institutions imply. Byzantine Empire was highly democratic while presenting all the appearances of an autocratic, even absolutist, monarchy. Even early modern absolute monarchies were not absolute monarchies in full sense of the term; kings may have had much more power than medieval feudal kings, but even so they still had to balance various influences, such as nobility, clergy, army and so on. Modern representative democracies can run a gamut from relatively democratic republics to depressing-Orwellian-Tzeentchian-backstabbing-maniacal-psychopathic oligarchies, and all that without showing much in terms of obvious signs of what is happening under the surface.
For average voter? Ten years is an extremely optimistic estimate. In my own experience, it is not that easy to find a person who gives much thought to next ten months.
Floridaman
Well-known member
Have... have you seen the average persons credit, and retirement savings? Most people put no thought into anything beyond the current year. It is like the parable of the ants and the grass hoppers.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Ruling does seem to be something of a juggling competition of keeping others with levers of power happy, whilst keeping the country rolling on. If you threaten or neglect one of them too much, they may try to destroy you in favour of a more friendly ruler. As you say, it is ultimately a balancing act. A bitter pill to swallow is that you may not be able to have everything your way, but you can still get a significant chunk of what you want.
On that topic, as much as the Byzantines and various other monarchies are portrayed as archaic and out of date, they did seem to semi-function for hundreds of years longer than democracies have. I've often been of the belief that Constitutional Monarchy, a powerful ruler who still can and cannot do certain things that trample the liberties of his people, is an entirely viable political system.
PeliusAnar
Well-known member
Thinking on things, I am going to block out politics and check back in a week since it is a lot of dragging things out with no more updates coming in. The vote counts are taking forever and is frankly stupid. I mean FL got its act together, the other states should have as well. Even if Biden wins it would be 270-268, which is just ripe for challenges/abuse. Doubt GA, PA, or NC will flip to Biden. NV will probably be Biden and AZ is a wildcard. It almost feels like a scheme by the networks to milk as much out of their ratings as possible.
Even then with the legal challenges out there, I would say there is a good chance of at least one of MI, WI, NV, and AZ going red. Trump is on offense which he is best at, and he just needs to win one of those states to win OR he needs to block the final numbers of said state. If he can mire down the final tally in enough legal challenges, then it goes to a state level vote which he would win.
The craziest and most interesting thing that would really get people in a tizzy and cap off 2020 is a faithless elector or 2, changing the outcome if it is 270-268. That would hilarious. I can see one or two people doing that, just to put their names in the history books. It would be terrible, but I am kind of hoping this happens just to laugh my ass off.
Finally if Trump wins it is a split Congress, so we get 4 more years of Trump and then a Democrat would probably win the WH. If Biden wins then we get 4 years of nothing as McConnell turtles up. After this last election, he and the other R-Congressman probably feel really safe/good for the most part. The Republicans are on the upswing, so just got to keep voting R and growing the party and eventually things will flip fully. So not much doom and gloom, but more fractured politics going forward. Also if Biden wins, the media will likely implode and Fox will be laughing all the way to the ratings chart since all the other networks are dependent on Trump bashing.
Even then with the legal challenges out there, I would say there is a good chance of at least one of MI, WI, NV, and AZ going red. Trump is on offense which he is best at, and he just needs to win one of those states to win OR he needs to block the final numbers of said state. If he can mire down the final tally in enough legal challenges, then it goes to a state level vote which he would win.
The craziest and most interesting thing that would really get people in a tizzy and cap off 2020 is a faithless elector or 2, changing the outcome if it is 270-268. That would hilarious. I can see one or two people doing that, just to put their names in the history books. It would be terrible, but I am kind of hoping this happens just to laugh my ass off.
Finally if Trump wins it is a split Congress, so we get 4 more years of Trump and then a Democrat would probably win the WH. If Biden wins then we get 4 years of nothing as McConnell turtles up. After this last election, he and the other R-Congressman probably feel really safe/good for the most part. The Republicans are on the upswing, so just got to keep voting R and growing the party and eventually things will flip fully. So not much doom and gloom, but more fractured politics going forward. Also if Biden wins, the media will likely implode and Fox will be laughing all the way to the ratings chart since all the other networks are dependent on Trump bashing.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
I wasn't speaking about my ancestors specifically, though they were Norman lords in Ireland, but rather people of the past in general. We in the western world only have the amazing lives (with rights, freedoms, luxury, prosperity) that we have because people of the past struggled so hard to create our modern world. Whether it was fighting literal wars against tyrannical regimes, working to better living standards, clearing forest to grow crops, creating infrastructure - they worked hard to make the world a better place for their children.
The people who started building Notre Dame - from the architects who designed it to the masons who carved the stones to the Church fathers who commissioned its construction - knew that they would not live to see it completed. The Founding Fathers of the USA knew that they were creating something that would need to endure long after they had passed away. Even a lowly peasant farmer, who would indeed be worried about how this year's harvest would turn out, still passed his farm and home and implements on to his children in the hopes that they would have prosperous lives.
In modern America we don't need to worry about bad harvests making us all starve, we don't need to worry as much about deadly plagues, we don't even have to worry about (or maybe we) being conquered by a hostile foreign power. Given that, shouldn't we keep the future in mind so that we can pass on a better world for our children just as a better world was passed to us?
Maybe the attitude that the future doesn't matter is one of the signs of a declining civilization. If the right had kept the future in mind a bit more, perhaps we'd have a far healthier society.
As for Trump, I don't see him a god emperor. He is flawed in many ways, perhaps an unlikely hero of sorts, a man of questionable character who sought political office perhaps for power or self aggrandizement, but who when confronted with the evil there actually decided to take a stand against it. I'm not sure how to judge Trump, I'd rather focus on ideas and actions than people or their quirks.
As for worrying about my own prosperity and teaching my own principles, that is what I advocate. Almost all of the political activism that people do in life has nothing to do with voting or proselytizing, it has to do with how we live our lives. How we raise our children, how we consume or don't, and the communities that we form within a greater circle of friends and family. I won't go so far as to say that voting doesn't matter, I certainly voted for Trump and hope he wins, but how we live is more important than how we vote.