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Blasterbot

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Getting hit by a semi is a lot deadlier than getting hit by a car, but that doesn't mean I want to get hit by a car, or even to pretend it is only a choice between the two.
depending on the speed of the car and how it hits you would have much better odds of surviving. and in jesus land people would be more likely to call an ambulance after and get you to a hospital. there would also be a follow up on who hit you and criminally charging them. commie land people will just walk by and ignore it because if they try and help they are financially responsible for your hospital stay.
 

Cherico

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depending on the speed of the car and how it hits you would have much better odds of surviving. and in jesus land people would be more likely to call an ambulance after and get you to a hospital. there would also be a follow up on who hit you and criminally charging them. commie land people will just walk by and ignore it because if they try and help they are financially responsible for your hospital stay.

this is not a joke this actually happens in communist countries.
 

Skallagrim

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this is not a joke this actually happens in communist countries.
Literally the situation in China right now. People have a hammer in the glove compartment. If they hit someone and the victim is crippled, they beat the victim to death with the hammer. The sentence for manslaughter is limited, and it's generally preferred to the alternative (having to be financially responsible for the victim for the rest of his life).

Another example of "well-intentioned legislation that was presented as 'social' turns out to have unintended consequences..."
 

DarthOne

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Literally the situation in China right now. People have a hammer in the glove compartment. If they hit someone and the victim is crippled, they beat the victim to death with the hammer. The sentence for manslaughter is limited, and it's generally preferred to the alternative (having to be financially responsible for the victim for the rest of his life).

Another example of "well-intentioned legislation that was presented as 'social' turns out to have unintended consequences..."

Not that it would surprise me too much, but have you got any evidence of this? Both from morbid curiosity and as a point of reference to throw in the direction of the ‘muh big guverment will fix everything’ crowd.
 

Skallagrim

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Not that it would surprise me too much, but have you got any evidence of this? Both from morbid curiosity and as a point of reference to throw in the direction of the ‘muh big guverment will fix everything’ crowd.
It's pretty well-doumented, in articles such as this one. (Naturally, our dear 'independent fact checkers' rush to call it "unproven" because "China does not keep formal statistics on it". Ha. Ha. Ha.)

Less objective as evidence, but pretty effective in convincing me, is that I've seen it with my own eyes. Not the killing, thankfully, but the near-ubiquitous hammer in the car. A family friend is married to a Chinese woman, and we've been on a group holiday in China. Several family members and friends of her family showed -- laughing -- that they really do keep a hammer in their car. It serves a dual purpose as a tool against criminals and an 'insurance policy'.

Her dad was, in fact, pretty casual about the purpose of it all. Paraphrasing: "Fools cross the road here every day, hundreds jump in front of you. If I cripple one, he gets the hammer. It's a mercy kill."

It was suggested that most people, even crippled for life, wouldn't want a mercy kill.

His response, delived ice-cold and without a trace of irony, was telling:

"Mercy for me."



This is the kind of caring, social attitude that collectivist systems engender. The people in question weren't inherently cruel or uncaring. It's just that in certain kind of system, it's suicidal to care about anyone other than yourself and your own family. Collectivism, far from doing what it claims to do, actually atomises society into small units that can never trust each other. This is not a bug, but a feature. Because thus divided, the people cannot effectively rise up against the system.

Happy, shiny people! Thanks, Mao!
 

Zyobot

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It's pretty well-doumented, in articles such as this one. (Naturally, our dear 'independent fact checkers' rush to call it "unproven" because "China does not keep formal statistics on it". Ha. Ha. Ha.)

Less objective as evidence, but pretty effective in convincing me, is that I've seen it with my own eyes. Not the killing, thankfully, but the near-ubiquitous hammer in the car. A family friend is married to a Chinese woman, and we've been on a group holiday in China. Several family members and friends of her family showed -- laughing -- that they really do keep a hammer in their car. It serves a dual purpose as a tool against criminals and an 'insurance policy'.

Her dad was, in fact, pretty casual about the purpose of it all. Paraphrasing: "Fools cross the road here every day, hundreds jump in front of you. If I cripple one, he gets the hammer. It's a mercy kill."

It was suggested that most people, even crippled for life, wouldn't want a mercy kill.

His response, delived ice-cold and without a trace of irony, was telling:

"Mercy for me."



This is the kind of caring, social attitude that collectivist systems engender. The people in question weren't inherently cruel or uncaring. It's just that in certain kind of system, it's suicidal to care about anyone other than yourself and your own family. Collectivism, far from doing what it claims to do, actually atomises society into small units that can never trust each other. This is not a bug, but a feature. Because thus divided, the people cannot effectively rise up against the system.

Happy, shiny people! Thanks, Mao!

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Skallagrim

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If people had simply killed all of the communists instead of letting them have power in china a lot less people would have died.

The same is true in most countries that went through communism, its really frustrating to me that their not treated like the force of evil they are.
Well, they're just really putting the hammer into "hammer and sickle", you know?
 

ATP

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Agent23

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No,our idiots do not made working old coal mines again,becouse germans says no.
We have enough coal to be warm,but germans cosplaing as EU prevented that.

Blame germans and our idiots who listen to them,not putin.
I am talking about a certain other Pole's claims on here about LNG and Poland's capabilities in that field.
Not naming names since some genius might decide I am "uncivil" again.
 

ATP

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I am talking about a certain other Pole's claims on here about LNG and Poland's capabilities in that field.
Not naming names since some genius might decide I am "uncivil" again.
Well,we have reserves for 2 months,4 if you add Baltic pipe and what we are getting from Poland.
So - enough for winter.
Unless we gave part of it to germans - they really demand that.And our eunuchs could agree.They always bark how they would oppose germans - ald later do everything Berlin want.
And total opposition is made from german/soviet agents,so they would be even worst.

Good,that Holy Mary is our Queen,otherwise we would be doomed.No,it is not joke,IF we survive,we would survive only thanks to HER.
 

Terthna

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Literally the situation in China right now. People have a hammer in the glove compartment. If they hit someone and the victim is crippled, they beat the victim to death with the hammer. The sentence for manslaughter is limited, and it's generally preferred to the alternative (having to be financially responsible for the victim for the rest of his life).

Another example of "well-intentioned legislation that was presented as 'social' turns out to have unintended consequences..."
How is killing someone with a hammer to avoid having to pay for the injury you caused them manslaughter?
 

Skallagrim

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How is killing someone with a hammer to avoid having to pay for the injury you caused them manslaughter?
I'm not sure if it's literally manslaughter, or whether Chinese law even uses that concept in that way. (These things vary; Dutch "doodslag" is technically the same as "manslaughter", but has different criteria.) The point is: it doesn't get you a terribly heavy sentence, and that creates the absurd incentive to just kill the victim. It's the less burdensome alternative, compared to having to pay for his medical needs forever.

It's the same issue you get with bankruptcy laws in many jurisdictions: it's often ludicrously easy to just pile debt into a company, then let it go bust, and walk away debt-free. Totally, twisted, but government regulations intende to make things better have created this perverse situation. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING? ;)

(The famous historical example of this kind of thing is the 'Cobra problem' in British India.)
 

Terthna

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I'm not sure if it's literally manslaughter, or whether Chinese law even uses that concept in that way. (These things vary; Dutch "doodslag" is technically the same as "manslaughter", but has different criteria.) The point is: it doesn't get you a terribly heavy sentence, and that creates th absurd incentive to just kill he victim. It's the less burdensome alternative, compared to having o pay for his medical needs forever.

It's the same issue you get with bankruptcy laws in many jurisdictions: it's often ludicrously easy to just pile debt into a company, then let it go bust, and walk away debt-free. Totally, twisted, but government regulations intende to make things better have created this perverse situation. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING? ;)
Sounds like China's real problem is that their citizenry don't fear being punished for committing murder.
 

ATP

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I'm not sure if it's literally manslaughter, or whether Chinese law even uses that concept in that way. (These things vary; Dutch "doodslag" is technically the same as "manslaughter", but has different criteria.) The point is: it doesn't get you a terribly heavy sentence, and that creates the absurd incentive to just kill the victim. It's the less burdensome alternative, compared to having to pay for his medical needs forever.

It's the same issue you get with bankruptcy laws in many jurisdictions: it's often ludicrously easy to just pile debt into a company, then let it go bust, and walk away debt-free. Totally, twisted, but government regulations intende to make things better have created this perverse situation. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING? ;)

(The famous historical example of this kind of thing is the 'Cobra problem' in British India.)

Long ago,when i was in polish army ,all sentries were unofficially told shot to kill - becouse injured bandit who would attack us could send us to prison.
Our regulamin made us shout 3 times and 2 schoot as warning before schooting attacker,so....
 

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