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Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
It's not in war or persecution it's the domestic situation seeing children getting groomed or mislead people deciding to beholden themselves to the medical industry they pump themselves full of chemicals and had their reproductive organ operation.

Sure, for now.

But once actual shooting starts between opposing political factions? Frankly, I imagine they’ll dish out their own helpings of Red and White Terror aplenty, in addition to field-testing all kinds of new toys that have been in development for a while. (Lots of them are in the works now, I fear.)
 

PsihoKekec

Swashbuckling Accountant

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
But what choice does the Europe have, now that Nordstream committed suicide? State Department has us all bent over the barrel and they sure won't be bothering with lube.
The eurocretins capping the price of oil and gas is like me going over to the Lidl and capping the price of beer.

In related news:
OPEC’s Oil Production Cut Will Cause More Pain At The Pump

OPEC to Yellen, Urusula and Brandon: "Fuck you!"

Somebody get a pic of the Saudi Oil/Energy ministre with the polygon glasses.
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
The thing is he's fucked up so many times I cant narrow down the incident that caused this.
Those were the two I remember as the slights toward MBS. The Democrats were crying foul at Saudi Arabia being all human rights violators with Yemen and MBS over Khashoggi's death during the reign of the orange man.

Once zombie man took over he actually went through on singling out Saudis Arabia as problematic despite being their oil supplier so MBS took that personally.

Is it any wonder from his position to be disrespected by a senile old man with a buffoon of an administration he's looking at options to jump ship?
 
the end of modernity is a time of horrors

ok but how are we defining modernity in this case? If we're ending all this LGBTQ nonsense I'm for that, but what i'm not ok with is going back to living in caves or living in a world where people like me who were "born accursed" are left to be pets of kings and priests at best and living in squalor in the street at worst. Frankly, I'd rather die on my feet whether it be on a cross or on a battlefield.

It's not in war or persecution it's the domestic situation of seeing children getting groomed or mislead people deciding to beholden themselves to the medical industry they pump themselves full of chemicals and had their reproductive organ operation.

Yeah for those us straights who are married we'll want to do whatever we can to increase both of our sex drives. For better or worse we're going to have to play catch up.
 
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Cherico

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ok but how are we defining modernity in this case? If we're ending all this LGBTQ nonsense I'm for that, but what i'm not ok with is going back to living in caves or living in a world where people like me who were "born accursed" are left to be pets of kings and priests at best and living in squalor in the street at worst. Frankly, I'd rather die on my feet whether it be on a cross or on a battlefield.



Yeah for those us straights who are married we'll want to do whatever we can to increase both of your sex drives. For better or worse we're going to have to play catch up.

Modernity is a time of social experimentation inside a civilizations life span. Its were a civilization will experiment with new ways of doing things, new life styles, new technologies new everything. Thing is eventually you need to sit down and tabluate the data. The experiements that work?

They get added to tradition which is the centuries and millennia of trial and error to find what works. thing is eventally people get tired of constant change for the sake of change and the experiements must end and the results tabulated.

Ideally this would all happen peacefully and we would just all accept that it was over but it never does.


As for witch hunts look around you man we have been living through them for the last 20 years and can look forward to at least another 40 years of that shit. Its just done in the name of wokeness now.
 
As for witch hunts look around you man we have been living through them for the last 20 years and can look forward to at least another 40 years of that shit. Its just done in the name of wokeness now.

I never once brought up witch hunts. I brought up "living in a world where people like me who were "born accursed" are left to be pets of kings and priests at best and living in squalor in the street at worst" IE the disabled people never having a chance at a good quality of life beyond being someone's pet project, which up until very recently (and is still lacking in many cases) was very much a reality.

There has been talk of people like musk creating implants that would allow crippled person to essentially be able to control their limbs with thier thoughts. I want to see that come to fruition within my life time. Maybe it won't cure stuff like CP or double amputation outright, but it'll at least be a step forward. I don't want to see humanity go backwards technologically or socially.
 
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Cherico

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I never once brought up witch hunts. I brought up "living in a world where people like me who were "born accursed" are left to be pets of kings and priests at best and living in squalor in the street at worst" IE the disabled people never having a chance at a good quality of life beyond being someone's pet project, which up until very recently (and is still lacking in many cases) was very much a reality.

There has been talk of people like musk creating implants that would allow crippled person to essentially be able to control their limbs with thier thoughts. I want to see that come to fruition within my life time. Maybe it won't cure stuff like CP or double amputation outright, but it'll at least be a step forward. I don't want to see humanity go backwards technologically or socially.

remember when I said what works will be added to tradition?

That's a part of it, implants that fix disabilities will be used, for the most part picking on people with disabilities will be socially frowned upon. When modernity ends its an end of utopionism not of all progress. You don't get wild leaps but whats around gets mastered.
 

Skallagrim

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ok but how are we defining modernity in this case? If we're ending all this LGBTQ nonsense I'm for that, but what i'm not ok with is going back to living in caves or living in a world where people like me who were "born accursed" are left to be pets of kings and priests at best and living in squalor in the street at worst.
A few things to consider:

1. "Modernity", in the sense understood here, is the era that was initiated by the so-called Enlightenment and the radical revolutions it produced (mainly the French Revolution). We are still living in the intellectual, political and social wake of those events.

2. There is no "going back". That's not what will happen. Amaury De Riencourt notably said that since time moves ever forward, the cycle of history is actually a spiral. So we turn back to a certain direction on one axis, yes, but we keep moving forward in time on the other axis.

3. Another metaphor that might be useful is this: imagine someone pulling on a young, springy branch. You pull and you pull... and eventually it slips from your fingers, and violently springs back in the other direction. It whips about a few times before settling. "Modernity" is pulling on the world. Pulling it into an extremist position. Inevitably, it'll eventually spring back-- violently.

4. We are all born accursed, I'm afraid. But not in the way you presumably mean. I stress again that we're not talking about technological regression here. In fact, science is currently suffering from the cultish excesses of modernity.


I don't want to see humanity go backwards technologically or socially.
As I mentioned, technology won't be an issue. But when it comes to social matters, you are basing your stance on a faulty premise: the flagrant lie that "Modernity" is inherently an improvement, socially. The lie that social attitudes in fact go "backward" and "forward". They don't, really. They go side-ways in various directions. They can be communalist or individualist. They can be uniformalist or pluralist. They can prioritise strength and cohesion, or diversity and experimentalism. They can value order (to the point of risking tyranny) or freedom (to the point of risking chaos).

These things can all be good or bad, based on degree and on circumstance. The point is... "Modernity" has not brought us "forward" at all. What you imagine as "forward" is almost entirely due to technological progress, which has quite little to do with social mores. Modernists have self-servingly equated the two, but that's not how it works. In reality, the current era has pulled us towards unhealthy extremes. The strain is increasing, and becoming unbearable. The springy branch is about to slip from their fingers, and snap back with a vengeance.

(Some people imagine that if we just roll back the last ten years or so, we'll be okay. You hinted as much with "If we're ending all this LGBTQ nonsense I'm for that". The thing is: that recent, most radical stuff doesn't just come out of nowhere. It's the tip of a pyramid, and if you want it gone... you have to tear down the whole pyramid. Otherwise, they'll be back with the same shit in just a few short years.)
 
A few things to consider:

1. "Modernity", in the sense understood here, is the era that was initiated by the so-called Enlightenment and the radical revolutions it produced (mainly the French Revolution). We are still living in the intellectual, political and social wake of those events.

2. There is no "going back". That's not what will happen. Amaury De Riencourt notably said that since time moves ever forward, the cycle of history is actually a spiral. So we turn back to a certain direction on one axis, yes, but we keep moving forward in time on the other axis.

3. Another metaphor that might be useful is this: imagine someone pulling on a young, springy branch. You pull and you pull... and eventually it slips from your fingers, and violently springs back in the other direction. It whips about a few times before settling. "Modernity" is pulling on the world. Pulling it into an extremist position. Inevitably, it'll eventually spring back-- violently.

4. We are all born accursed, I'm afraid. But not in the way you presumably mean. I stress again that we're not talking about technological regression here. In fact, science is currently suffering from the cultish excesses of modernity.



As I mentioned, technology won't be an issue. But when it comes to social matters, you are basing your stance on a faulty premise: the flagrant lie that "Modernity" is inherently an improvement, socially. The lie that social attitudes in fact go "backward" and "forward". They don't, really. They go side-ways in various directions. They can be communalist or individualist. They can be uniformalist or pluralist. They can prioritise strength and cohesion, or diversity and experimentalism. They can value order (to the point of risking tyranny) or freedom (to the point of risking chaos).

These things can all be good or bad, based on degree and on circumstance. The point is... "Modernity" has not brought us "forward" at all. What you imagine as "forward" is almost entirely due to technological progress, which has quite little to do with social mores. Modernists have self-servingly equated the two, but that's not how it works. In reality, the current era has pulled us towards unhealthy extremes. The strain is increasing, and becoming unbearable. The springy branch is about to slip from their fingers, and snap back with a vengeance.

(Some people imagine that if we just roll back the last ten years or so, we'll be okay. You hinted as much with "If we're ending all this LGBTQ nonsense I'm for that". The thing is: that recent, most radical stuff doesn't just come out of nowhere. It's the tip of a pyramid, and if you want it gone... you have to tear down the whole pyramid. Otherwise, they'll be back with the same shit in just a few short years.)

well in that case, at the risk of giving everyone here the verbal equivalent of the bird. I'm not for the idea of throwing the baby out with the bathwater sorry i'm not. I'm more than happy to find my own personal order within chaos. I will not sacrifice my lifestyle just so someone else can feel safe in their ivory and have "meaning in their life. if they want that order and sense of security then they'll have to take me out themselves.

I think at this point my love for humanity is gone, and part of me is perfectly fine with the idea of them straight-up breaking.
 

Skallagrim

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well in that case, at the risk of giving everyone here the verbal equivalent of the bird. I'm not for the idea of throwing the baby out with the bathwater sorry i'm not. I'm more than happy to find my own personal order within chaos. I will not sacrifice my lifestyle just so someone else can feel safe in their ivory and have "meaning in their life. if they want that order and sense of security then they'll have to take me out themselves.

I think at this point my love for humanity is gone, and part of me is perfectly fine with the idea of them straight-up breaking.
"Them"?

You are part of "them".

But a small part, just like all the others -- so what you want, or what I want, is pretty inconsequential.

Of course, I do think you've slightly mistaken the intent behind my statement. The dichotomies of social mores I mentioned weren't meant to display "it's now like this and it'll be like that". Just that there are, and always have been, different directions. They all have some validity, and they can all be taken too far. The "modern" world isn't somehow "more advanced", in its social attitudes, is what I mean. Just more... extreme, in one chosen direction. And extremism always, always culminates in backlash.


@Skallagrim I missed the first part of your reply. Would it be ok if I discussed that in a PM with you?
Naturally.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
There is plenty of space between commieland and Jesusland. :cautious:

It isn't a binary, but your religious values determine what direction you're heading.

Atheism has functionally been shown to functionally have two forks; radical libertarianism, or communism.

Agnosticism has more of a 'generic middle' aptitude to it, but is too weak ideologically to be more than a placeholder before something with more intellectual and spiritual vigor takes its place.
 

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