Business & Finance Economic Fallout: Pandemic, Brandon, Money Printer Go Brr, Ukraine.

[LordsFire]

Those in the know saw this comming the moment Russia went into Ukraine.

Expect Europeans to nationalize all russian property in their countries and for russians to nationalize all their property in russia in turn.

Russians have already nationalized or pseudo-nationalized a fair number of things.

 

[Cherico]

Russians have already nationalized or pseudo-nationalized a fair number of things.

This has all happened before.

Germany tries to entangle the Russian economy with its own to avoid war because when the two of them fight its fucking horrible. This fails and both sides take their toys back then you have a fucking horrible war and then it all starts all over again.

Well at least this time the germans are not selling the very useful bufffer state that exists between them and the russian bear down the river fucking themselves over in the long run once again.

 

[Agent23]

Germany takes control of Russian-owned refinery amid energy crisis

Germany took control of a major Russian-owned oil refinery on Friday, risking retaliation from Moscow as Berlin strives to shore up energy supplies and meet its European Union commitment to eliminate Russian oil imports by the end of the year.

www.reuters.com

Gimme dat.

Yay, Bezhaberek got himself another empty refinery.

Those in the know saw this comming the moment Russia went into Ukraine.

Expect Europeans to nationalize all russian property in their countries and for russians to nationalize all their property in russia in turn.

Yeah, sure, the reetards and chickenhawks somehow managed to get hold of the controls, and just like that decades of trade and mutually beneficial financial relationships go down the toilet.
You know, I think things would have ended up a lot better if we'd rounded up every single Ukraine cheerleader and shipped them off to Ukraine to fight for their beloved cokehead clown and his neonazi puppeteers.

This has all happened before.

Germany tries to entangle the Russian economy with its own to avoid war because when the two of them fight its fucking horrible. This fails and both sides take their toys back then you have a fucking horrible war and then it all starts all over again.

Well at least this time the germans are not selling the very useful bufffer state that exists between them and the russian bear down the river fucking themselves over in the long run once again.

I am pretty sure the Germans wanted the cheap energy and the raw materials and the huge, nearby market.
Actually, all of the western EU wanted that, but we got these aparatchiks and reeing morons in power somehow.

Russians have already nationalized or pseudo-nationalized a fair number of things.

The what now?

 

[Agent23]

A tech company pledged to make "anti-racist" layoffs. What does that mean?

 

[Wargamer08]

A tech company pledged to make "anti-racist" layoffs. What does that mean?

That means they fire all the white people first, then act really confused when the company doesn't function and goes under in 2-3 months.

 

[Agent23]

That means they fire all the white people first, then act really confused when the company doesn't function and goes under in 2-3 months.

Lots of IT people in the USA are indian or other Asian btw, maybe they are trying to find excuses to outsource more stuff, too.
But still, this is more retarded virtue signalling.

 

[Cherico]

That means they fire all the white people first, then act really confused when the company doesn't function and goes under in 2-3 months.

At this point I don't wonder if the social justice movement will die under its own excesses I wonder when and how many lives will be destroyed before it happens.

 

[History Learner]

At this point I don't wonder if the social justice movement will die under its own excesses I wonder when and how many lives will be destroyed before it happens.

Thousands so far.

 

[Cherico]

Thousands so far.

Im betting we hit millions.

 

[History Learner]

Few laypeople realized how critical Ukraine's breadbasket was for a good chunk of Eurasia till it wasn't operating anymore, myself included.

The US will see high prices but I doubt we will face starvation this year, regardless of how Ukraine goes. However we are looking at a 40% reduction in overall harvests because of the price of fertilizer, so next spring/summer/winter will be the real tight one.

And with how things are looking, we can expect the situation to like get worse, long before it gets better.

A Red Wave might be able to help mitigate the worst effects, but reversing the damage the Wu Flu/Biden/Russia has done is at least an 8 year project, at least.

I do have hope maybe Ukraine can break Russia's will soon, and maybe we'll get a Red Wave, actually reverse the trends going on.

However this is also assuming Putin isn't suicidally arrogant and glory seeking for his 'legacy', and the Russian's still control that one powerplant they've turned into an arty base. So things could still go very bad if Russia does something stupid.

I'm skeptical of a Red Wave changing anything, given a lot of these issues were present and deepened during Trump's term. However, should they get into power and maintain their current trends on seeking to establish a deal on Ukraine, they could be best.

Trump Says Ukraine Should Have Done Deal With Putin

During an appearance on the The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show podcast, the former president suggested that Ukraine could have "given up" the territory of Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in 2014, or agreed not to join NATO.​

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The remarks came after Trump was asked for his opinion of the photoshoot Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky and his wife, Olena, did for Vogue magazine, which has come under scrutiny given it took place while the country was at war.​

​

"Probably not the greatest thing," Trump said, before adding his much repeated stance that the Russia invasion would have "never happened" if he was still president.​

​

"He [Putin] wouldn't have done it with me. He wouldn't have done it. At a minimum, they should have made a deal," Trump said.​

​

"They could have given up Crimea. They could have done something with NATO, 'Okay, we're not gonna join NATO,' and you'd have a country, because I believe Putin wanted to make a deal," Trump said.​

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"And now I don't think he wants to make a deal. I think it's much tougher to make a deal. He's blowing up the whole place. I mean, he'll take over the whole place. And it's very, very sad to watch what happened with Ukraine. Very, very sad."​

​

Trump said that he does not believe Putin "ever intended" to start a war with Ukraine but will now "rather have the whole country, now that he started."​

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Republicans Begin To Sour On Aid To Ukraine

According to Morning Consult polling, while a plurality of all voters see the United States as doing “the right amount” to help Ukraine, Republican voters were the only group more likely to say the U.S. was doing “too much,” at 28%, than too little, 25%.​

​

A June poll for the University of Maryland found that willingness to tolerate substantially or somewhat higher levels of energy prices and inflation had dropped off for Republican voters compared to overall voters in a similar March survey.​

​

With the war near a standstill in the country’s eastern region, Ukraine will have to come back for more money eventually, and if Republicans win one or both chambers of Congress, it is by no means clear more aid will be forthcoming.​

​

Rep. Matt Gaetz, the firebrand House Republican from Florida, said as much in a July 1 exchange with Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.). Answering a Tweet from Gallego that said “Fact is if the Republicans take over the House in 2022 US support to Ukraine will come to a halt,” Gaetz replied, “Ruben is correct.”​

​

At a recent rally in Anchorage, Alaska, Trump riffed on the cost so far, misstating the amount spent.​

​

“Like with Ukraine, we put up $60 billion and Europe put up $5, 6 [billion]? OK?” he said, drawing boos from the crowd. (Through early July, Congress has authorized about $54 billion for assistance not only to Ukraine, but to neighboring countries as well in response to the Russian invasion. )​

​

And Trump is by no means alone among Republicans. On the last aid package, 11 GOP senators voted against more money, including Kentucky’s Rand Paul.​

​

“We don’t have any money for anyone,” he told HuffPost. “I mean, we’re a trillion dollars in the hole every year. So any money that is allocated to send to a foreign country has to be borrowed first from another foreign country.”​

​

The outlook in the Senate is arguably better for Ukraine than in the House, with McConnell and Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) presenting a mostly united front on the issue so far. In the House, where Republicans have the best chance to take over and where 57 members of the conference voted against the last aid package, the picture is murkier.​

​

Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) is expected to get the Speaker’s gavel if the GOP picks up the handful of seats it needs in the fall to win control. But McCarthy’s grip on the conference is somewhat tenuous, which could lead him to have to make promises to secure the 218 votes needed for the speakership.​

​

One obvious potential spoiler group: the House Freedom Caucus, which hounded the two most recent Republican speakers, John Boehner and Paul Ryan. Members of the group have complained about the Biden administration caring more about Ukraine’s borders than the U.S.-Mexico border.​

​

Ohio Republican Jim Jordan, one of the Freedom Caucus veterans and a vote against the last aid package, said the group has yet to talk about the issue in depth.​

​

If Republicans win, supporting further aid to Ukraine would have to be a broader, conference-wide call, he said.​

​

“It’s got to be a conference decision and, look, we haven’t won yet. We’ve got to win,” he said.​

 

[Agent23]

 

[Agent23]

 

[Sobek]

Biden will manage to fuck that up

 

[Agent23]

Biden will manage to fuck that up

Fuck it up?
This was probably his puppetmasters' plan all along.

 

[Arch Dornan]

One continent's loss is another's gain however self inflicted.

 

[Cherico]

I'm skeptical of a Red Wave changing anything, given a lot of these issues were present and deepened during Trump's term. However, should they get into power and maintain their current trends on seeking to establish a deal on Ukraine, they could be best.

Trump Says Ukraine Should Have Done Deal With Putin

During an appearance on the The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show podcast, the former president suggested that Ukraine could have "given up" the territory of Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in 2014, or agreed not to join NATO.​

​

The remarks came after Trump was asked for his opinion of the photoshoot Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky and his wife, Olena, did for Vogue magazine, which has come under scrutiny given it took place while the country was at war.​

​

"Probably not the greatest thing," Trump said, before adding his much repeated stance that the Russia invasion would have "never happened" if he was still president.​

​

"He [Putin] wouldn't have done it with me. He wouldn't have done it. At a minimum, they should have made a deal," Trump said.​

​

"They could have given up Crimea. They could have done something with NATO, 'Okay, we're not gonna join NATO,' and you'd have a country, because I believe Putin wanted to make a deal," Trump said.​

​

"And now I don't think he wants to make a deal. I think it's much tougher to make a deal. He's blowing up the whole place. I mean, he'll take over the whole place. And it's very, very sad to watch what happened with Ukraine. Very, very sad."​

​

Trump said that he does not believe Putin "ever intended" to start a war with Ukraine but will now "rather have the whole country, now that he started."​

​

Republicans Begin To Sour On Aid To Ukraine

According to Morning Consult polling, while a plurality of all voters see the United States as doing “the right amount” to help Ukraine, Republican voters were the only group more likely to say the U.S. was doing “too much,” at 28%, than too little, 25%.​

​

A June poll for the University of Maryland found that willingness to tolerate substantially or somewhat higher levels of energy prices and inflation had dropped off for Republican voters compared to overall voters in a similar March survey.​

​

With the war near a standstill in the country’s eastern region, Ukraine will have to come back for more money eventually, and if Republicans win one or both chambers of Congress, it is by no means clear more aid will be forthcoming.​

​

Rep. Matt Gaetz, the firebrand House Republican from Florida, said as much in a July 1 exchange with Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.). Answering a Tweet from Gallego that said “Fact is if the Republicans take over the House in 2022 US support to Ukraine will come to a halt,” Gaetz replied, “Ruben is correct.”​

​

At a recent rally in Anchorage, Alaska, Trump riffed on the cost so far, misstating the amount spent.​

​

“Like with Ukraine, we put up $60 billion and Europe put up $5, 6 [billion]? OK?” he said, drawing boos from the crowd. (Through early July, Congress has authorized about $54 billion for assistance not only to Ukraine, but to neighboring countries as well in response to the Russian invasion. )​

​

And Trump is by no means alone among Republicans. On the last aid package, 11 GOP senators voted against more money, including Kentucky’s Rand Paul.​

​

“We don’t have any money for anyone,” he told HuffPost. “I mean, we’re a trillion dollars in the hole every year. So any money that is allocated to send to a foreign country has to be borrowed first from another foreign country.”​

​

The outlook in the Senate is arguably better for Ukraine than in the House, with McConnell and Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) presenting a mostly united front on the issue so far. In the House, where Republicans have the best chance to take over and where 57 members of the conference voted against the last aid package, the picture is murkier.​

​

Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) is expected to get the Speaker’s gavel if the GOP picks up the handful of seats it needs in the fall to win control. But McCarthy’s grip on the conference is somewhat tenuous, which could lead him to have to make promises to secure the 218 votes needed for the speakership.​

​

One obvious potential spoiler group: the House Freedom Caucus, which hounded the two most recent Republican speakers, John Boehner and Paul Ryan. Members of the group have complained about the Biden administration caring more about Ukraine’s borders than the U.S.-Mexico border.​

​

Ohio Republican Jim Jordan, one of the Freedom Caucus veterans and a vote against the last aid package, said the group has yet to talk about the issue in depth.​

​

If Republicans win, supporting further aid to Ukraine would have to be a broader, conference-wide call, he said.​

​

“It’s got to be a conference decision and, look, we haven’t won yet. We’ve got to win,” he said.​

our current problems were caused over decades and it will most likely take decades to fix it.

 

[Captain X]

 

[Agent23]

Those types of markets aren't the best where health and safety is concerned, and it got to over 40 C in some parts of South-Western Europe this summer.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Those types of markets aren't the best where health and safety is concerned, and it got to over 40 C in some parts of South-Western Europe this summer.

By itself, it's not significant. Coupled with many protests over how they're being treated from farmers across the continent, and food processing plants burning down all over the place.

I'm not 100% convinced that this isn't a case where food processing plants have always caught fire and now they're just being reported on more. However, that's what Debunkers are claiming right and left and if the likes of Snopes and Reuters are putting so much effort into debunking something I always give it more credence.

Coupled with the farmer protests and other Biden declaring there's going to be a famine it looks deeply suspicious, but again, I haven't seen anything I find to be definitive evidence, just a lot of theorizing and pattern-matching.

 

[Agent23]

By itself, it's not significant. Coupled with many protests over how they're being treated from farmers across the continent, and food processing plants burning down all over the place.

I'm not 100% convinced that this isn't a case where food processing plants have always caught fire and now they're just being reported on more. However, that's what Debunkers are claiming right and left and if the likes of Snopes and Reuters are putting so much effort into debunking something I always give it more credence.

Coupled with the farmer protests and other Biden declaring there's going to be a famine it looks deeply suspicious, but again, I haven't seen anything I find to be definitive evidence, just a lot of theorizing and pattern-matching.

I am willing to agree about the fact checkers, however there is a lot of difference between a produce market and a food processing facility.
I remember at least 2 fires in such for the past few years, you have multiple vendors, in a partially enclosed space, you need only one faulty cable or something else burning out in the heat to set the thing ablaze.