Culture Dehumanizing Human Supremacist Tripe (if You really want to feel good about Your kind, then pick a culture and celebrate it)

[Agent23]

Nah, the slav would see a woodland creature and declare it to be his new best friend, while Necrons exterminate all cell base forms of life.

I say born in panelka!

Next to industrial plant that makes 19th century British smoke look like clear day.

 

[King Arts]

They are leftoids, they consider Karens a good thing.

And the federation is basically Karen, the civilization, with fun doodads.

That and the obnoxious British middle class, oh, no wait, that is the culture.

What? I don’t watch Star Trek much but they are the opposite of Karen’s the federation is pretty chill and will leave you alone and not try to make everyone change how they live the culture are the Karen’s though.

Well, yes.
But beyond that humanity there is pretty fucked.

> Eugenics wars leaves a fucked over humanity barely surviving on toxic earth
> Get rescued by xenos
> Get civilized by xenos
> Get tech uplifted by xenos
> Decides to simp for xenos by paying it forward. go around uplifting a bunch of other xenos across the galaxy.
> Shitty communism
> Very shitty at defending its people
> Has rebels breaking away to form their own nations due to how badly the federal govt fucks over everyone. (the maki)
> Relies almost entirely on luck, and on enemies fighting each other to survive.
> Constantly on cusp of annihilation from ever more scary xenos they can't compete with
> Only race to ban genetic therapy, causing them to stagnate. (granted they are stagnating at 160 average IQ. a leftover from the eugenics wars)
> At some point become dependents on a literal god that pities them enough to save them. (Q)
> Some other gods also join in on propping them up (the bjoran gods)

The federation is pathetic. And the fuck yea in that verse goes to the various xeno races.

It is also ridiculous that an atheist power fantasy is being propped up in universe by literal gods.

Wait the feds don’t uplift anyone that’s explicitly their top rule they leave other races alone. You are right about them not being good at war even though they should be stronger.

But what’s wrong with banning genetic engineering that is actually a conservative position to make sure humans stay humans and not some freaks.

Also they aren’t commies

Also the Q don’t exactly prop them up they have caused problems for the free by bringing the borg to them.

 

[nemo1986]

You got to love an idiot who draws the rope to hang themselves.

 

[Bigking321]

What? I don’t watch Star Trek much but they are the opposite of Karen’s the federation is pretty chill and will leave you alone and not try to make everyone change how they live

Umm... no.

Many, many times they try to change how people live. In the vein of "don't do that stupid traditional thing! Look, science!"

There are times they let people do their own thing as well, but they absolutely try to change people and cultures.

Wait the feds don’t uplift anyone that’s explicitly their top rule they leave other races alone.

Non warp capable races. Once they get warp they get offered membership and get uplifted.

Also the Q don’t exactly prop them up they have caused problems for the free by bringing the borg to them.

Ehh... it's a grey area. In non show media it's explicit that Q is a guardian of humanity in particular. He just takes a rather long term view of it and tries to have fun with it.

As to the borg thing, that was him giving the federation a early look at them to give them a kick in the pants so they could be prepared for them to show up for real. Definitely intended to help them.

 

[mrttao]

Wait the feds don’t uplift anyone that’s explicitly their top rule they leave other races alone. You are right about them not being good at war even though they should be stronger.

1. they are constantly breaking or bending the prime directive.

2. the prime directive only protects "primitives" (those who have not discovered FTL yet. Or were not introduced to FTL by another 3rd party). The moment a species has that tech, whether through invention or a 3rd party they are free for the grabbing.

They are then quickly uplifted from 21st century tech to clarktech where you have replicators, teleporters, and crystals.

Also they aren’t commies

They are. they explicitly "moved beyond the primitive need for currency and trade". All are universally supplied all their needs via the government.

Also the Q don’t exactly prop them up they have caused problems for the free by bringing the borg to them.

That is explicitly actually done for humanity's benefits.
It let the humans discover the borg early. and in a controlled manner. so they can prepare. plus sometimes more directly undermine.

 

[King Arts]

1. they are constantly breaking or bending the prime directive.

There are sometimes rare scenarios where the planet will blow up or something right?

2. the prime directive only protects "primitives" (those who have not discovered FTL yet. Or were not introduced to FTL by another 3rd party). The moment a species has that tech, whether through invention or a 3rd party they are free for the grabbing.

They are then quickly uplifted from 21st century tech to clarktech where you have replicators, teleporters, and crystals.

I mean even afterwords it still applies wasn't there a Klingon civil war and the Federation argued to the side they are more favorable too that they did not want to meddle in another people's internal politics.

They are. they explicitly "moved beyond the primitive need for currency and trade". All are universally supplied all their needs via the government.

They may say that but I don't think the writters know what communism is.

They may have moved beyond currency as at that level useless paper is pointless. But trade and private property still is there. Doesen't Picard's family own a vinyard? If you can own some land you can gift it or trade it for some other good. Replicators may make some things free but there will still be some things that will be scarce like land, certain rare materials I forgot what it's called, and services.

I mean if you have replicators then everyone can have their needs and many of their wants met easily for free and not giving them is just being a dick. Giving everyone free stuff via replicators is not communism.

That is explicitly actually done for humanity's benefits.
It let the humans discover the borg early. and in a controlled manner. so they can prepare. plus sometimes more directly undermine.

Well one could argue that humanity would be better off not meeting the Borg at all. But I will concede that the Q do want humanity to improve and not be stagnant.

 

[King Krávoka]

So it remains an allegory for the existential threat posed by a particular political system, but not the failed experiments of last century's Europe, the very one that it celebrates and supports with open hands.

"The leading diplomatic forum is a tool for a shadow government to spread pseudoscience so that their totalitarian actions appear to have an environmentalist motive, silencing anyone that corrects it or investigates the harmful and ineffective retroviral vaccines that have been pushed on the population. Those that have not taken the latter yet are forced to wear masks as a sign of submission." That's how the entitled readership read that last part, exactly as the author wanted I believe. How dare the planet populated entirely by PTSD victims make anything less than absolute concession to the egos of the master race. "To make the population more accepting of the totalitarian measures used to enforce this, they also have provoked the rise of a far right death cult while making the barest token efforts to defeat it. In the same vein, knowledge of violence between ordinary citizens has been repressed to conserve the narrative that people are fundamentally good except when they fit into the prior categories of an enemy. Also, digital currencies are a giant security hole that will kill us all."
He had 184 chapters and two years to write something else. It's so weird. I know how it happened by accident but I can't imagine the kind of person that doesn't course correct for that accident. Never have I found any sign that the author doesn't have typical reddit opinions but there has to be something inside of the Floridian water that he was drinking.
I am writing a 35K character diatribe about how one of the heads of the fictional UN behaved so erratically that he had to be in league with the Federation. It's at the point where he is almost my favorite character in the story by principle of love-to-hate. And I'm just doing it because he was alleged to have "dedicated himself to virtue and the pursuit of peace to the last" by the internal monologue of one BPD sheepwoman with canonically no knowledge of ethics or philosophy whom was there to watch him kill billions of alien civvies for a mind game that didn't work, and I have a severe disability that keeps me from understanding that real paragons of virtue randomly do bitch-plaque pure evil things. Sorry, 'are Human too'.
But when you use a reskinned great reset conspiracy as the guiding antagonist of the story, how can the mouthpiece of globalism not be in on that nonsense? How can I believe that Pascap didn't chicken out on some story arc about the fundamental insidiousness of the wish for a united mankind? On the topic of a more familiar Federation, my pawpaw always told me that he interpreted the Borg as a future version of them. Because they're both collectivist techno-utopias*, see. If one side, designated as the good, and the other, designated as the bad, are symbols of the same thing, they have to be intimately connected.
*All dystopias are utopias, they are thought experiments in the world that is ideal for a certain kind of person. That you're meant or able to like this person is irrelevant.

 

[Bigking321]

On the topic of a more familiar Federation, my pawpaw always told me that he interpreted the Borg as a future version of them. Because they're both collectivist techno-utopias*, see. If one side, designated as the good, and the other, designated as the bad, are symbols of the same thing, they have to be intimately connected.

This literally got brought up in a episode of DS9. It involves a defector from star fleet to the Maquis.

Something like the borg are at least honest about their intention to absorb and eradicate people they disagree with, while the federation wants the exact same thing but is more duplicitous about it.

 

[mrttao]

"The leading diplomatic forum is a tool for a shadow government to spread pseudoscience so that their totalitarian actions appear to have an environmentalist motive, silencing anyone that corrects it or investigates the harmful and ineffective retroviral vaccines that have been pushed on the population. Those that have not taken the latter yet are forced to wear masks as a sign of submission."

Did we go back to talking about IRL earth politics?

 

[King Krávoka]

There is but one Sietch thread, and all others merely a refraction of it.
Since're a masterthread now: Five G⛧lden Mice [11/2/2021, abandoned]

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Huh, we now have effectively a dedicated Humanity Fuck Yeah thread.

Praise the Emperor!

 

[LordDemiurge]

I actually quite liked the Nature of Predators just on the account of the villains alone.

The Federation is a bit too incompetent for my tastes, but at the same time they aren't the typical Not!Imperium or Tyranids.

They're literally Nietzschean Lastmen, a civilization built upon the mission of making sure the tallest blade of grass is always shorn. Wiping away the past, destroying culture, enfeebling and homogenizing all sapient life to a collective ideology that despises anything noble or higher.

The fact that it was so popular on Reddit, a site that is Bugman Central is quite ironic.

 

[DarthOne]

This literally got brought up in a episode of DS9. It involves a defector from star fleet to the Maquis.

Something like the borg are at least honest about their intention to absorb and eradicate people they disagree with, while the federation wants the exact same thing but is more duplicitous about it.

There’s also this.

 

[King Arts]

Umm... no.

Many, many times they try to change how people live. In the vein of "don't do that stupid traditional thing! Look, science!"

There are times they let people do their own thing as well, but they absolutely try to change people and cultures.

I mean they do think their way is best. But do they use legal force to make others give up their traditions?

Non warp capable races. Once they get warp they get offered membership and get uplifted.

They get offered the option to join yes but they don’t force it though, like you could choose to stay independent.

There’s also this.

The first video deals with the Maquis who refused to leave some planets that the feds gave to Cardassia right?

And this guy was a former federation officer who did piracy and stole a federation ship that was trading with Cardassia? I don’t have too much sympathy for the Mawuis and this guy. I mean he is basically acting like the modern day Houthis.

Some nation is oppressing some other people so he goes and fucks with non involved people.


The second video is just saying that the federation way of life is attractive. Isn’t this just a parallel to the fact that western capitalism and freedom are attractive ideologies and people want what they provide? I mean if something is truly superior eventually most people will adopt it.

 

[LordDemiurge]

I mean if something is truly superior eventually most people will adopt it.

The Federation was the optimistic prediction of what modern liberalism would eventually become.

Aside from their terrible aesthetics, atleast the UFP uplifts individuals. It cultivates geniuses, artists, and leaders.

Unlike of course the RL thing now which seeks to level society to the lowest common denominator. There are times I think the UFP could only exist if the eugenicists had won the war.

 

[King Arts]

The Federation was the optimistic prediction of what modern liberalism would eventually become.

Aside from their terrible aesthetics, atleast the UFP uplifts individuals. It cultivates geniuses, artists, and leaders.

Unlike of course the RL thing now which seeks to level society to the lowest common denominator. There are times I think the UFP could only exist if the eugenicists had won the war.

Yes globo homo liberalism is not the Federation first of all. But even if it was the laws of physics in Star Trek are diffrent so that works for them.

Again because of their technology the Federation works, also in actuality the Federation is not like modern liberals at all because liberals are very interested in converting others and forcing everyone to be like them. The Federation does not try they are perfectly willing to leave others alone.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

probably the best case of assimilation has actually been what is thought of now as the modern "White people" you had a bunch of cultures that were in vastly different areas (and appearances) but there was so much cultural overlap in terms of personality and values that assimilation just naturally happened on it's own over time. Nordic Folk music has found relevance again thanks to two irish guys and an American and yet you'll see comments from native Nordics about being able "Feel that shared connection of the warrior spirit."
I don't think I've seen a Sci-Fi series take that approch (No Star Trek certainly is not that I agree with @Bigking321 on that one)

Most Sc-Fi shows do one of three things

1. Humanity are the barbarians that must be enlightend (cough cough star trek)
2. Humanity are the white saviors (Star Trek, but also aspects of Halo, Star Wars Ect.)
3. Humanity only (Warhammer)

Seeing a galactic metaculture involving humanity that has developed due to the natural flow of times (Conflict and peace) would be a nice change of pace. The funny thing is if it wasn't for the Progressive liberal Vulcan bias, I think such a thing could have happened in Star Trek between humans, Klingons, and Romulans.

 

[Bassoe]

Humanity in HFYs is basically what most people who work for NGOs imagine themselves as; all-powerful busybody psychopaths who inflict violence on people who just want to be left the fuck alone instead of being steamrolled and crushed under the boot of modernity.

I see it as a reaction to the alternative.

Then again, I also see the whole discussion of Nature of Predators as missing the point, I don't care about humanity being morally superior to aliens, I care about it surviving them. The aliens consider us a threat and their technological superiority and idological desire to destroy us for our crimes of carnivorism makes them one to us. Our only chances are to either scatter and hide or develop a MAD deterrent.

• No broadcasting that could be traced back to our locations. Build fleets of arcology-ships which we know can't fight aliens on equal terms, but whose crews reproduce and can mine asteroids to build more ships faster than they can be tracked down and destroyed.

...or...

• RKKVs pointed at every planet the aliens know to sustain civilization on dead hand triggers to automatically activate in event of tampering or if earth stops broadcasting artificial radio signals hidden throughout the oort cloud. "AI Safety" discussion changed from "this might kill everyone, therefore we're proceeding with caution" to "screw it, we need superweapons and we need them yesterday, if nothing else, an uncontrollable paperclip maximizer is still useful if we've managed to keep it boxed and threaten to let it out if we're ever going extinct anyway."

 

[King Arts]

I see it as a reaction to the alternative.

Then again, I also see the whole discussion of Nature of Predators as missing the point, I don't care about humanity being morally superior to aliens, I care about it surviving them. The aliens consider us a threat and their technological superiority and idological desire to destroy us for our crimes of carnivorism makes them one to us. Our only chances are to either scatter and hide or develop a MAD deterrent.

• No broadcasting that could be traced back to our locations. Build fleets of arcology-ships which we know can't fight aliens on equal terms, but whose crews reproduce and can mine asteroids to build more ships faster than they can be tracked down and destroyed.

...or...

• RKKVs pointed at every planet the aliens know to sustain civilization on dead hand triggers to automatically activate in event of tampering or if earth stops broadcasting artificial radio signals hidden throughout the oort cloud. "AI Safety" discussion changed from "this might kill everyone, therefore we're proceeding with caution" to "screw it, we need superweapons and we need them yesterday, if nothing else, an uncontrollable paperclip maximizer is still useful if we've managed to keep it boxed and threaten to let it out if we're ever going extinct anyway."

Or the easier and safer route of getting an alliance with the carnivore lizard aliens. You can do that too.

 

[Bassoe]

*shrugs*

I only read the tvtropes page. But yeah, that sounds reasonable enough. If the herbivore alliance xenos genocidally hate us anyway, there's no reason not to live down to their expectations by teaming up with a bunch of cannibals who stage piratical raids on their enemies' worlds to kidnap victims for food.