Cyberpunk 2077

[King Arts]

Cyberpunk's 2077 themes including
-society is complacent in the crapsack world they've created
-technology will be used by corporations and the uber-rich to make themselves immortal at the cost of everyone else.
-being kept alive through technology is not actually living (Get it? It's called SOULKILLER because all of this over-reliance on technology in this desperate vein attempt to live forever KILLS YOUR SOUL! do you get it? DO YOU GET THE MESSAGE YET?!?)
-Everyone is in it for themselves, the sooner your aware of that the less it'll hurt when they backstab you
-we all have to die sometimes so it's best to die swinging and becoming a legend.

Bonus points
-toxic masculinity bad (Heavily implied with Johnny Silverhand)
-artificial intelligence is not really alive and it will be the death of us all (Heavily implied with Alt's point in the game)

These themes are not new or profound they've been in the mainstream philosophical stage ever since the Industrial Age, and honestly no, what you do doesn't matter, in fact, it can't matter. because if there is a definitive ending, let alone a defenitive happy ending, then how will they be able to milk the franchise with such hit sequels and spin-offs like Cyberpunk 2079, Cyberpunk 2084, Cyberpunk 2099, Cyberpunk 2105 and Cyberpunk: Cyber Warfare. It's hilarious honestly because for all of the accusations from movements like punk that claim, happy endings are just a piece of cheap boring commercial tripe, the punk movement itself has been heavily commercialized for decades if not since its very inception.


As for the game itself, Johnny is dead, Alt has become every AI clique in the book (Save for going all Skynet but don't worry they'll go their soon enough) and unless Project Red does a mass effect where your character and save data from the previous game carries over to the sequel, then V is likely dead or will be reduced to a cameo with the Arasaka Corporation inevitably recovering because again, got to have a villain to milk those sequels baby!

in a very thick sense of Irony to the trope, it's cynical corporatized dribble pretending to be a rebel pretending to be much more philosophically deep than they actually are. (Which I mean most philosophies aren't that deep to begin with but that's another subject.) It's preachy, it's pretentious, it's the equivalent of the edgy teen trying to pretend he's grown up, and in such a game/world to quote Johnny from WarGames, "the only winning move is not to play."

This might be stupid question I haven’t beat the game so I might get it wrong.

But aren’t there two maybe three happy endings where you save yourself? One of them is the Arasaka ending where they download your memories, the other is the opposite where you let Johnny take you over. It depends on your philosophical perspective on what “you” is is it your body or your memories. Arasaka protects your memeories but your body is destroyed, if you let Johnny take over your body is still alive and you can argue that it’s no different than amnesia and you aren’t actually Johnny just a crazy v who thinks they are. Also the ending with Panem where you try to look for a cure it’s a maybe because it doesn’t say if you found it or not.

 

[nemo1986]

This might be stupid question I haven’t beat the game so I might get it wrong.

But aren’t there two maybe three happy endings where you save yourself? One of them is the Arasaka ending where they download your memories, the other is the opposite where you let Johnny take you over. It depends on your philosophical perspective on what “you” is is it your body or your memories. Arasaka protects your memeories but your body is destroyed, if you let Johnny take over your body is still alive and you can argue that it’s no different than amnesia and you aren’t actually Johnny just a crazy v who thinks they are. Also the ending with Panem where you try to look for a cure it’s a maybe because it doesn’t say if you found it or not.

None of those are a real happy ending.

 

[Karmic Acumen]

This might be stupid question I haven’t beat the game so I might get it wrong.

But aren’t there two maybe three happy endings where you save yourself? One of them is the Arasaka ending where they download your memories, the other is the opposite where you let Johnny take you over. It depends on your philosophical perspective on what “you” is is it your body or your memories. Arasaka protects your memeories but your body is destroyed, if you let Johnny take over your body is still alive and you can argue that it’s no different than amnesia and you aren’t actually Johnny just a crazy v who thinks they are. Also the ending with Panem where you try to look for a cure it’s a maybe because it doesn’t say if you found it or not.

How are these happy? They sound like eternal damnation in hell.

 

[nemo1986]

Spoiler: Tower ending

this is the only ending V survives in the end and he/she is basically stripped of all their combat mods and is little more than a mere mortal and stuck in a coma for two years.

 

[King Arts]

None of those are a real happy ending.

Explain what makes something a happy ending? Would your character going to a massage parlor and getting a bj from a supermodel make you happy? What do you want?

How are these happy? They sound like eternal damnation in hell.

How so, with Arisaka you work for them but they aren't that bad. It's only bad if you think mind upload aren't you so it's just a copy of V living the life. The other ending you get to keep your body and forget who you are and think you are Johnny. It's not ideal but being Johnny might not be that bad. Maybe ok it could be very bad. But the Panem one isn't bad.

 

[nemo1986]

Explain what makes something a happy ending? Would your character going to a massage parlor and getting a bj from a supermodel make you happy? What do you want?


How so, with Arisaka you work for them but they aren't that bad. It's only bad if you think mind upload aren't you so it's just a copy of V living the life. The other ending you get to keep your body and forget who you are and think you are Johnny. It's not ideal but being Johnny might not be that bad. Maybe ok it could be very bad. But the Panem one isn't bad.

What you asked for them was to be cured from the Relic overwriting your mind. They basically lied to you and said they will just upload your mind. They never said they would give you a body. The Panam one is nice even though you still die in the end. And whole Johnny gets to take your body all your friends end up suffering.

 

[King Arts]

What you asked for them was to be cured from the Relic overwriting your mind. They basically lied to you and said they will just upload your mind. They never said they would give you a body. The Panam one is nice even though you still die in the end. And whole Johnny gets to take your body all your friends end up suffering.

I remember the youtube videos and Arisaka did not lie to you they said that uploading is all they can do and in the future tech might advance were they can clone or make a body for you. And even then you have a choice you can decide not to and just live your life or even spend your last year being a merc.

As for the Johnny thing yeah Johnny is a bit of a fuck up so him not staying with your friends I can see now that it's bad.

 

[nemo1986]

The fact of the matter is, in Cyberpunk there is no real happy ending. It's why most people prefer the Reaper ending. Go out with a bang.

Spoiler

And why people hate the tower ending. You end up with losing all bu the most basic of mods and you are reduced to a mere mortal like everyone else. Which hits a little close to home for a lot of people. I firmly believe that was the point the developer were doing there.

 

[Karmic Acumen]

Explain what makes something a happy ending? Would your character going to a massage parlor and getting a bj from a supermodel make you happy? What do you want?

Ah, you're one of those guys. You push forward a personal opinion as if it's fact, and when the other guy disagrees with you, you throw a tantrum and pretend the burden of proof isn't on you for making the claim in the first place. Not a good luck, I gotta tell you.

 

[Agent23]

Well, Johnny wasn't an example of toxic masculinity but more of an example of an man who let his ideals and hatreds direct him into performing actions that utterly disregard any collateral damage and only believes that his way is the only way. Plus his guilt in getting Alt killed has included a massive guilt complex. All that plus a nihilist born from his untreated PTSD from his time in the military turned him into an absolute mess.

On the one hand, I like Kyanu, on the other hand, while entertaining, Johnny's antics got kinds annoying.

Mostly I played this for the homages, the atmosphere and the gameplay, not the main story.

Idris Elba, whoever did Takamurs, and Keanu Reeves did good jobs with their characters, but all in all the writing was not what I hoped it would be.

This could have been more than a homage to Neuromancer and Bladerunner.

 

[nemo1986]

On the one hand, I like Kyanu, on the other hand, while entertaining, Johnny's antics got kinds annoying.

Mostly I played this for the homages, the atmosphere and the gameplay, not the main story.

Idris Elba, whoever did Takamurs, and Keanu Reeves did good jobs with their characters, but all in all the writing was not what I hoped it would be.

This could have been more than a homage to Neuromancer and Bladerunner.

That's because the development was one long shit show. Maybe we will get luck and Cyberpunk 2 will have better development.

 

[Typhonis]

Does 2077 have Morgan Blackhand in it or Spider Murphy?

 

[nemo1986]

Does 2077 have Morgan Blackhand in it or Spider Murphy?

Spider is in a flash back and no one knows where Blackhand is in 2077.

 

[Skitzyfrenic]

Blackhand hasn't actually been seen since the fall of the towers. Except maybe dying in Japan. He maybe survived Smasher and hid/was taken in for witness protection by Arasaka and he basically just hid out until there was an event and a gone to seed blackhand died protecting some people, IIRC.

Given how fucked up Johnny's memories are and how they contradict other canon, the lore hounds assume that the chip V gets is actually a lot Johnny and a bit Morgan.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

So I finally gave 2.0 a play and I really don't know wtf CDPR was trying to accomplish, The game had some flaws before but when you got to a high level you actually felt like you were powerful or whatever. Now everything is a bullet sponge and combat is 100% more tedious, Everyone who said this was an improvement was either high or paid to lie. I have been trying to force myself through the game so I could do the Phantom liberty stuff but IDK if I can tolerate this tedious and annoying gameplay for that long. I'm going to turn the difficulty down to the lowest setting and see if that makes me hate the gameplay slightly less but otherwise CPDR fucked the game up.

 

[Agent23]

So I finally gave 2.0 a play and I really don't know wtf CDPR was trying to accomplish, The game had some flaws before but when you got to a high level you actually felt like you were powerful or whatever. Now everything is a bullet sponge and combat is 100% more tedious, Everyone who said this was an improvement was either high or paid to lie. I have been trying to force myself through the game so I could do the Phantom liberty stuff but IDK if I can tolerate this tedious and annoying gameplay for that long. I'm going to turn the difficulty down to the lowest setting and see if that makes me hate the gameplay slightly less but otherwise CPDR fucked the game up.

I did PL just fine on regular difficulty after finishing the main story over a year ago, it started out more grindy/harder but

Spoiler

after killing the big mech and saving the president of the NUSA things start to feel a lot easier/I got accustomed to it.

The whole premise of Cyberpunk as a genre is "high tech low life" so, yeah if it is making you feel weak, desperate and hopelessly clinging to survival while stalked by bigger and nastier shit it is kinds in line with the genre.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

I did PL just fine on regular difficulty after finishing the main story over a year ago, it started out more grindy/harder but

Spoiler

after killing the big mech and saving the president of the NUSA things start to feel a lot easier/I got accustomed to it.

The whole premise of Cyberpunk as a genre is "high tech low life" so, yeah if it is making you feel weak, desperate and hopelessly clinging to survival while stalked by bigger and nastier shit it is kinds in line with the genre.

I legit loaded up my old level 50 save on a new game plus to skip the grind, What I saw with maxed out shit was bullet sponge enemies and drastically slower combat. Also whoever thought stamina being tied to firearms was a good idea is a fucking retard.

 

[Agent23]

I legit loaded up my old level 50 save on a new game plus to skip the grind, What I saw with maxed out shit was bullet sponge enemies and drastically slower combat. Also whoever thought stamina being tied to firearms was a good idea is a fucking retard.

Maybe they are slightly harder to deal with when your build is a netrunner.

I had little problem murdering my way through with some decent tech/smart weapons and some heavily upgraded cybernetics.

Good thing I had lots of gold chips stored, and even then I basically recycled a huge amount of my stash to get the cybereare I wanted upgraded, then scavanged and broke down like mad.
I mean, I am a greedy pack rat and all, but still...

Word of advice, try out the health auro-injector one.

What class are you playing?

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Maybe they are slightly harder to deal with when your build is a netrunner.

I had little problem murdering my way through with some decent tech/smart weapons and some heavily upgraded cybernetics.

Good thing I had lots of gold chips stored, and even then I basically recycled a huge amount of my stash to get the cybereare I wanted upgraded, then scavanged and broke down like mad.
I mean, I am a greedy pack rat and all, but still...

Word of advice, try out the health auro-injector one.

What class are you playing?

No longer have a class just console commanded myself to have everything. I literally have zero interest in relearning this game and I only wanna see the new story shit.

EDIT: I was a netrunner though because Sandy builds were boring as hell.

 

[Agent23]

No longer have a class just console commanded myself to have everything. I literally have zero interest in relearning this game and I only wanna see the new story shit.

Well, your loss.