Countering Liberal Elitist Social Theories (and Nebulous Hypotheticals)

Rocinante

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The hell are you people even talking about anymore? 🥴

This thread is about CRT in schools. How did the discussion drift to talking about dissolving Congress you bunch of nonces? :p
History learner is concern trolling and everyone is going along with it.

This is one of the left's latest tactics.

"If you really believe this stuff why aren't you out burning shit down and rioting and starting an insurrection?"

Because we aren't leftists, and there is still a political way out of this.

I do wonder if some of these people are feds, trying to evoke a response. They DO like to set people up like this, after all.
 

AnimalNoodles

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You dissolve Congress lol, no one is forcing you to play by the rules except for you.

Notice the carefully trained learned helplessness. There is nothing the right fears more than wielding power.

There was a minor kerfuffle in Vice magazine about some striver who snitched on bunch of white kids went to school in some small town with Tshirts that said "its ok to be white"

Guess what happened to them? Not much. Why? Vice called the school and got no response. No one in the town cared. Does that mean they are safe? no, but for now, they are free because the town shows solidarity.

There are limits to the power of the Foe. Solidarity is the key to victory. If you control space and refuse to crack, its harder to cancel you. If you dont fear cancellation, you can live more freely and exercise power.
 

LindyAF

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Eh, there are intelligent ways to organize and collectivize that are non-violent and others that are no more violent than mild self defense at a protest that gets heated.

IMO there's this totally wrongheaded idea that many on the Right have that action is basically all or nothing. You're doing nothing or your acting out a fedpost (in Minecraft).

As far as I can tell, it only really worked even a bit like that in situations where opposition to the left originated and was based in the military (Spain, Russia, Chile) - but even there not really at least in Spain or Russia's case (don't know much about Chile).
 

Simonbob

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Eh, there are intelligent ways to organize and collectivize that are non-violent and others that are no more violent than mild self defense at a protest that gets heated.

How?

Seriously. I've tried to get into politics. It's useless. So, how? I would really like a way to act, that won't get me hit.


I've been hit enough, thanks.
 

Captain X

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So where's the revolt then dude? If the election was stolen, how come THE BASED PATRIOTS haven't done shit but let the Feds bust down their doors in the middle of the night? Where is this revolt over all the other evils ongoing in society? Simply put, you've let that dumb piece of paper convince you it is of magical powers and thus do nothing while the Federal Government has instituted the exact tyranny you speak of.
You okay there? You're kind of giving off a bit of a glow.
 

Rocinante

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You okay there? You're kind of giving off a bit of a glow.
I'm wondering if we suddenly have an influx of glowies trying to get us to respond in a way so they can arrest us, or if the "if you really believed this, you'd be acting more violent," is just the new lefty talking point.

Honestly, they're Probably trying to mine screenshots for them to jack off to over in their discord.
 

Wargamer08

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I'm wondering if we suddenly have an influx of glowies trying to get us to respond in a way so they can arrest us, or if the "if you really believed this, you'd be acting more violent," is just the new lefty talking point.

Honestly, they're Probably trying to mine screenshots for them to jack off to over in their discord.
“How’s about we build a bomb!” The ride never ends.
 

PsihoKekec

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Glowie would try to talk you into making a molotov cocktail. It's less obvious to the target, but they can still nail you for building a destructive device, which media can then spin as building a bomb. Glowie would also try to talk you in doing something near, not so obvious federal facility, so they could spice up the charges.
 

S'task

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I'm wondering if we suddenly have an influx of glowies trying to get us to respond in a way so they can arrest us, or if the "if you really believed this, you'd be acting more violent," is just the new lefty talking point.

Honestly, they're Probably trying to mine screenshots for them to jack off to over in their discord.
The "if you really believe this, you'd be violent about it" argument actually has a long history of being used by the left against the right, specifically in regards to the Abortion debate. It's meant as a "gotcha", to make the claim that pro-life individuals don't REALLY believe that unborn babies are people, as if they REALLY believed that abortion was equivalent to mass murder, they'd become terrorists.

Now, this argument does two things: 1. it ignores the long history OF pro-life terrorism in the US where pro-lifers DID, in fact, act that way. 2. Assumes that pro-life people are incapable of using the same long term strategies that many on the left have used against the right.

This is very apparent as when you look at the history of pro-life terrorism in the US, it's apex also happens to strongly correlate to the point where abortion was the most popular and protected by the law, and that since the pro-life movement worked to minimize and discourage violence that it has seen more success in marginalizing the passing laws against abortion than prior times... and going along with that the movement's shift from all or nothing attempts towards the salami-slicing techniques that is normally the strategy of the left.

Long story short, the left knows that when the right gets violence in pursuit of their goals, they end up losing more ground, and so they often encourage right wing violence as it invariably backfires (as can be seen with the abortion debate). Thus any times you see someone going "if you really believed that, you'd be violent about it" know that you're being baited because they KNOW that such actions on your part would do more to harm the side you're on, than actually accomplish anything.
 

Zachowon

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Glowie would try to talk you into making a molotov cocktail. It's less obvious to the target, but they can still nail you for building a destructive device, which media can then spin as building a bomb. Glowie would also try to talk you in doing something near, not so obvious federal facility, so they could spice up the charges.
Hey, certain glowies do.
Others just like to watch
 

Rocinante

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The "if you really believe this, you'd be violent about it" argument actually has a long history of being used by the left against the right, specifically in regards to the Abortion debate. It's meant as a "gotcha", to make the claim that pro-life individuals don't REALLY believe that unborn babies are people, as if they REALLY believed that abortion was equivalent to mass murder, they'd become terrorists.

Now, this argument does two things: 1. it ignores the long history OF pro-life terrorism in the US where pro-lifers DID, in fact, act that way. 2. Assumes that pro-life people are incapable of using the same long term strategies that many on the left have used against the right.

This is very apparent as when you look at the history of pro-life terrorism in the US, it's apex also happens to strongly correlate to the point where abortion was the most popular and protected by the law, and that since the pro-life movement worked to minimize and discourage violence that it has seen more success in marginalizing the passing laws against abortion than prior times... and going along with that the movement's shift from all or nothing attempts towards the salami-slicing techniques that is normally the strategy of the left.

Long story short, the left knows that when the right gets violence in pursuit of their goals, they end up losing more ground, and so they often encourage right wing violence as it invariably backfires (as can be seen with the abortion debate). Thus any times you see someone going "if you really believed that, you'd be violent about it" know that you're being baited because they KNOW that such actions on your part would do more to harm the side you're on, than actually accomplish anything.
Shit, you're definitely right. You know how I know you're right? I used to fucking do EXACTLY THAT for those exact reasons, about abortion, when I was a lefty.
 

LindyAF

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How?

Seriously. I've tried to get into politics. It's useless. So, how? I would really like a way to act, that won't get me hit.


I've been hit enough, thanks.

I don't think politics, particularly local politics, is as useless as you think it is. Like, take CRT in particular - a lot of that can happen (and be fought against) at the local level. One of the school boards in my (fairly conservative!) area is trying to push CRT in (I think not under that term, but it's the same thing), and my local GOP is fighting back. On a broader level, I don't think there's any solution that doesn't involve some politics on some level, and in particular I don't think third parties or somehow flipping the parties is viable, so that means the Republican party. A lot of stuff is built up from the grassroots, and a lot of that is free for the taking to whoever shows up.

Other ways include legal defense / lawfare, lobbying, and reporting. First is... basically nonexistent, right now, as far as I can tell, but there's no reason it has to be - the left has plenty of organizations doing this sort of thing. Why can't we have a White ADL (WDL?), for instance, to fight anti-White CRT? Second has a fair number of single issue organizations, of varying quality, but nothing that has access that's explicitly advocating the interests of the Historic American Nation. Unfortunately, right now an organization like that probably can't get access nationally, but many of those single issue organizations are still doing good work. Third also has a fair number of organizations doing good work - for instance, the immigration patriots at VDARE. Part of the problem is that the left's stranglehold on the media allows them to set the narrative and means that even moderate right-wingers frequently buy into their framing, so alternative narratives are important.

All of those are *jobs* are require certain skills that not everyone has (and in fact most people don't), but there's plenty of stuff people can do that isn't. Going to the single-issue marches (i.e. March for Life, March for Our Rights, etc.) is pretty safe. Calling and writing your representatives about the issues you care about is perfectly safe (just don't be a retard about it and threaten them or something) and yes, this does work for tipping the swamp critters when they're on the fence, if they're getting a ton of calls. Postering and stickering is also fairly safe (might depend on area), and a good way to start out with IRL action. Another thing you can do is write to our political prisoners. I'll admit I haven't done this last one - I'm concerned that it's not safe against doxxing (since at least my current understanding is that the letters would have to be non-anonymous and would be read by other people). Maybe this is cowardice on my part.

Organizing and collectivizing starts with just getting others doing the above too, together. You have any IRL right-wing friends? If not, make them. Then, you're going to a March for Life? Why not go as a group? You're doing some postering? Can one of them watch your back? Are you calling your republican representative to ask them why they're stabbing the country in the back on immigration? I'm sure your friends would like to know too - you should all call. You're writing one of the men behind the wire? Great, your probably a better person than I am, but there are a lot of them after Jan 6th. You know anyone in a position to do so as well?

Also, think about any groups you may be involved with already, and whether there's going to crossover in political leanings. Part of the reason the left has been successful with certain movements in the past is that members co-opted churches. That's also one of the reason March for Life reliably gets a huge turnout - they get whole churches going. Here's where local politics can come in again, as well. Lotta old retired people in local politics. They don't exactly have anything better to do.

Additionally, you can support organizations that do all of the above work, and give mutual aid to your national comrades. I'm not saying give money to grifters, but IMO there are plenty of non-grifters who do good work. IMO this itself is a big part of the capability gap between the organized left and the organized right - fringe left wing organizations are well funded and supported by their "moderates" whereas an awful lot of right wing money goes to talking heads like Shapiro and nowhere else. But on our issues where we do get involved and do fund organizations, we can win. You see this particularly with gun rights. There are also people who have been burned for their political opinions and activism, or even just need a helping hand, and another problem with the right has been it's tendency to turn on it's own when under media attack. We need to be better about looking after our own.

One admission here is that while I've engaged in some of the above activities (most of them, in some capacity, although I'm young and most of them not extensively), I have not done so in any kind of leadership role. If someone IRL with experience is giving you advice that contradicts mine, particularly on specific issues where I am general, I'd trust their opinion over mine - they probably have more experience than I do. The big exception here is not necessarily to trust anyone and if you think someone is acting like a fed or trying to get personal information that they could use to dox or harm you, always err on the side of caution.

I don't have any magic bullets for our current situation. I don't think they exist. But I think there's a lot that can be done. "If the situation was hopeless, their propaganda would be unnecessary" and all that. I think it's going to be a lot of slow work, a lot of it boring work. It's like that saying about planting a tree - the best time to secure our nation and a future was twenty years ago, second best time is right now.
 
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History Learner

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You okay there? You're kind of giving off a bit of a glow.

If making fun of the types who believe the Constitution and their guns means they can overthrow the government counts as glowie, God help you when you interact with actual glowies who will be encouraging that behavior rather than dismissing it. Quite frankly, you have to be acting in very bad faith here.
 

Zachowon

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If making fun of the types who believe the Constitution and their guns means they can overthrow the government counts as glowie, God help you when you interact with actual glowies who will be encouraging that behavior rather than dismissing it. Quite frankly, you have to be acting in very bad faith here.
That is what the 2A literally was put forth.

It's because we know the time to use it is when all other options are lost
 

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