This is NOT surprising at all. It's intentional and a REALLLY big problem we HAVE to fix.
modern architecture is trash.You know...you could claim modern architecture is not sustainable or green. I mean if a brand new building has to be torn down in 50 years how is that sustainable?
We can make steel that basically doesn't even rust, but noooooooooooooooooooooo that shit is too expensive apparently so we need everything metal to turn to powder in a couple decades...modern architecture is trash.
The romans built concrete structures that lasted thousands of years.
because they relied on the concrete's compressive strength (use arches dummy).
we build trash made of concrete and rebar that relies on the rebar (steel) tensile strength. but the rebar rusts and breaks. meaning any large scale construct needs to be demolished in about 50 years or so.
Moreover, the roman structures are beautiful while modern structures are gross looking.
The secret is that Black Sea is half as salty as your average ocean water, it's not used much, and Russia doesn't mind keeping half rusted through ships in service.We can make steel that basically doesn't even rust, but noooooooooooooooooooooo that shit is too expensive apparently so we need everything metal to turn to powder in a couple decades...
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Russian rescue ship Kommuna - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
This Russian ship has survived over 100 years of Soviet+Russian maintenance schedules (AKA, none) without corroding into dust.
If they pulled it off 100 years ago, I refuse to believe we struggle today with it.
Nope, people looked into why this centenarian has remained intact for the years, the steel is in fact basically rust-proof.The secret is that Black Sea is half as salty as your average ocean water, it's not used much, and Russia doesn't mind keeping half rusted through ships in service.
Of course ships in general last longer than most things, for example the first US nuclear aircraft carrier is still in service.
Not to mention museum battleships...
Myths or propaganda. The ship simply served in relatively light conditions and didn't have much harsh use, as opposed to typical warship or commercial ship, it mostly hung out in port awaiting an emergency due to its role.Nope, people looked into why this centenarian has remained intact for the years, the steel is in fact basically rust-proof.
Something to do with it being slathered in some sort of oils when it was built.
Obviously ships that remained in use after the war didn't last nearly that long.After the war, she was mothballed near San Francisco. In the late '70s she was restored not just to museum condition, but sailing condition. Her massive reciprocating engine was brought back to life by a team of restoration experts. They did such a great job that James Cameron used the engine room as a stand-in for the one on the movie Titanic (the original wasn't available).
Liberty ships are like 30-40 years more modern, and had the benefit of being in the US.Myths or propaganda. The ship simply served in relatively light conditions and didn't have much harsh use, as opposed to typical warship or commercial ship, it mostly hung out in port awaiting an emergency due to its role.
What a discovery, if something is used very little it suffers less wear and tear, wow.
Here's something close to a very mundane western equivalent:
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Legendary Liberty: Inside the only remaining Liberty ship from D-Day
Almost none of the ships that took part in the D-Day invasion remain, but this is one: the legendary Liberty ship SS Jeremiah O’Brien. Here’s how it looks today.www.cnet.com
Yet out of the thousands built only the few spared long term use remained in decent condition, duh, why didn't the same excuses apply to two thousand more of them?Liberty ships are like 30-40 years more modern, and had the benefit of being in the US.
Again, Kommuna was not taking much abuse because it's a fucking salvage ship, it didn't do long regular patrols through world's oceans like your typical warship, including Kuznetsov. If it was, it would be long gone.Need I remind you what the Kuznetsov's innards look like? Kommuna surviving 30 years of Russian abuse is a miracle. Surviving 100 is proof there is a god.
I think you underestimate how comically terrible the Russians are at ship maintenance, that's the point. ;V Anyways, this discussion is going nowhere, will not be replying to any more of it.Yet out of the thousands built only the few spared long term use remained in decent condition, duh, why didn't the same excuses apply to two thousand more of them?
Again, Kommuna was not taking much abuse because it's a fucking salvage ship, it didn't do long regular patrols through world's oceans like your typical warship, including Kuznetsov. If it was, it would be long gone.
I have never seen anyone use rebar that was not already fully rusted before they even inserted it into the concrete.We can make steel that basically doesn't even rust, but noooooooooooooooooooooo that shit is too expensive apparently so we need everything metal to turn to powder in a couple decades...
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Russian rescue ship Kommuna - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
This Russian ship has survived over 100 years of Soviet+Russian maintenance schedules (AKA, none) without corroding into dust.
If they pulled it off 100 years ago, I refuse to believe we struggle today with it.
Oh yeah, I've only ever seen pre-rusted rebar get used. Which is fucking weird.I have never seen anyone use rebar that was not already fully rusted before they even inserted it into the concrete.
apparently common rebar is made from tempered steel instead of stainless steel.
gotta save every cent, right?
its not quite tofu dregs like china. but it is still trash.
there is apparently a site dedicated to pushing stainless steel rebar... it lists a sad 30 examples of structures built with it.
Applications - Stainless Steel Rebar - worldstainless
In Europe stainless steel rebars have been widely used since the mid-80s. In North America, their use in highway bridges has been steadily growing since the mid-90s. Below, you can find some examples of structures that have used stainless steel rebar.www.stainlesssteelrebar.org
interestingly, the oldest example is from, 1941. progresso pier in mexico
Agree.In Poland,for example,building before WW2 was build to last 200 years without serious remont,after 1945 commies changed it to 100,and after 1970 to 50,which is still norm.modern architecture is trash.
The romans built concrete structures that lasted thousands of years.
because they relied on the concrete's compressive strength (use arches dummy).
we build trash made of concrete and rebar that relies on the rebar (steel) tensile strength. but the rebar rusts and breaks. meaning any large scale construct needs to be demolished in about 50 years or so.
Moreover, the roman structures are beautiful while modern structures are gross looking.
Depend who win.Planned obsolescence only makes sense if you want to make new things to replace what is obsolete. After the architecture we have, terrible it may be, decays, what will replace it?
Will we have cubicle suburbs, pod-houses like worker bees? Or more of the brutalist minimalist trend with a splash of green here and there from cacti houseplants?