Christian Nationalism and it's weakness

[ShieldWife]

It wasn’t that long ago that I hadn’t even heard the term “Christian Nationalist” and in just in the last few years numerous leftists are using it. It seems like all of the leftists got the memo that “Christian Nationalists” are the new boogie men now that the “Alt-Right” is getting a bit stale.

I know a bunch of super devout Christian homeschooling families. Only a small minority of them could be called Christian Nationalists. I guess they technically do exist, but their influence in modern day politics is negligible.

Now, devout Christians in general do have influence and the Christian homeschooling movement is really important and growing. My family homeschools and our kids play with those kids and we do lots of activities together. They aren’t sheltered, they are socialized, they just aren’t thrown into the lion’s den.

Now, there are plenty of conservatives (who mostly aren’t Christian Nationalists) who want to withdraw from cities and leftist controlled institutions. I’m one of them. I think that they are right. Those institutions are too controlled and corrupt to redeem and the leftists in charge of them are far more vigilant in preventing infiltration than moderates of the past were in regards to the far left infiltrating their institutions.

The best hope is for conservatives (including but not limited to devout Christians) to form their own institutions, their own subculture, to maintain their values until the insane leftists who run our institutions destroy themselves.

 

[Poe]

It wasn’t that long ago that I hadn’t even heard the term “Christian Nationalist” and in just in the last few years numerous leftists are using it. It seems like all of the leftists got the memo that “Christian Nationalists” are the new boogie men now that the “Alt-Right” is getting a bit stale.

I know a bunch of super devout Christian homeschooling families. Only a small minority of them could be called Christian Nationalists. I guess they technically do exist, but their influence in modern day politics is negligible.

Now, devout Christians in general do have influence and the Christian homeschooling movement is really important and growing. My family homeschools and our kids play with those kids and we do lots of activities together. They aren’t sheltered, they are socialized, they just aren’t thrown into the lion’s den.

Now, there are plenty of conservatives (who mostly aren’t Christian Nationalists) who want to withdraw from cities and leftist controlled institutions. I’m one of them. I think that they are right. Those institutions are too controlled and corrupt to redeem and the leftists in charge of them are far more vigilant in preventing infiltration than moderates of the past were in regards to the far left infiltrating their institutions.

The best hope is for conservatives (including but not limited to devout Christians) to form their own institutions, their own subculture, to maintain their values until the insane leftists who run our institutions destroy themselves.

Christian Nationalist is like "Far right." If you are politically similar to the average american a generation ago you are a "far right christian nationalist" according to the media. If you hold the same political opinions as a democrat in 1990 you are "far right." etc

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Christian Nationalist is like "Far right." If you are politically similar to the average american a generation ago you are a "far right christian nationalist" according to the media.

It doesnt exist. Muslim Nationalism exists as an actual coherent ideology, as does Jewish Nationalism. There is no such a counterpart in Christianity

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

If the average Americans are considered "Far Right" what are the actual Far Right eugenics advocating guys you find on Twitter and 4chan, "Super far-right?"

 

[S'task]

If the average Americans are considered "Far Right" what are the actual Far Right eugenics advocating guys you find on Twitter and 4chan, "Super far-right?"

They're also "Far right". That's the entire purpose for calling normal average American conservatives and libertarians "far right" to conflate their views with those and thus poison the well concerning them.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

They're also "Far right". That's the entire purpose for calling normal average American conservatives and libertarians "far right" to conflate their views with those and thus poison the well concerning them.

All that does is give the actual far righters a meat shield and keeps them from being able to be held accountable for their views.

 

[DarthOne]

All that does is give the actual far righters a meat shield and keeps them from being able to be held accountable for their views.

Nazis and fascists aren’t right wing. Never have been.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Nazis and fascists aren’t right wing. Never have been.

Tell them that. They seemingly gladly appropriated that term.

 

[Poe]

Nazis and fascists aren’t right wing. Never have been.

Leaving aside whether or not this is objectively true, far right almost exclusively refers to fascism in the minds of the normie.

 

[ShieldWife]

Leaving aside whether or not this is objectively true, far right almost exclusively refers to fascism in the minds of the normie.

They play those words and phrases both ways. They are maximally inclusive and yet represent only the most extreme ideas.

For example, the phrase Alt-Right. The left wants to call anybody on the right who isn’t a Neo-Con or RINO Alt-Right. Which, if that is what the phrase means, then it is a huge movement and the ideology is mainstream and in fact represents the majority of Americans on many issues. But they also want it to mean Neo-Nazis, not just Neo-Nazis but the most violent skinhead types. If that is what Alt-Right describes, then there are virtually no members of the Alt-Right.

Christian Nationalism suggests that someone wants to have a nation for only Christians, which would be a pretty extreme position, that almost nobody holds and for which there is no movement at all. But if they call any right leaning Christian whose religion influences their politics and/or activism then there are quite a few of these misnamed “Christian Nationalists.”

 

[Free-Stater 101]

The best hope is for conservatives (including but not limited to devout Christians) to form their own institutions, their own subculture, to maintain their values until the insane leftists who run our institutions destroy themselves.

That is a bitter pill to swallow when The Left will just legislate out those institutions you are suggesting they form from the top down.

 

[DarthOne]

Tell them that. They seemingly gladly appropriated that term.

Well they’re fascists and Nazis. So, morons.

Leaving aside whether or not this is objectively true, far right almost exclusively refers to fascism in the minds of the normie.

And?

 

[AnimalNoodles]

That is a bitter pill to swallow when The Left will just legislate out those institutions you are suggesting they form from the top down.

Do it in anyway. Do it secretly if you have to.

 

[Poe]

Well they’re fascists and Nazis. So, morons.




And?

the whole point of the discussion is that media conflates centrism and center-right with "far right," which to the average person means "fascist," what point were you trying to make if not in relation to that?

 

[DarthOne]

the whole point of the discussion is that media conflates centrism and center-right with "far right," which to the average person means "fascist," what point were you trying to make if not in relation to that?

My point was that doesn’t mean we have to or should go along with it. That we need to keep pointing out that no, we aren’t Nazis.

 

[Bacle]

Good thread on how 'Christian nationalism' is a psy op designed to prime normies against religious institutions to the point gov control of them is justified under 'combating extremism', and convince the more gullible parts of the Right to embrace it, to make the Left's lies look more genuine.

 

[DarthOne]

Since the Left loves to box-car words in order to mangle both minds and the lexicon, I've decided: I am a Christian Imperialist.

 

[King Arts]

Since the Left loves to box-car words in order to mangle both minds and the lexicon, I've decided: I am a Christian Imperialist.

Absolutely based and Christ pilled.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Honestly, from what I could guess, the only possible weakness about Christian Nationalism in general is that expressing a kind of nationalism can be considered a form of pride, which in itself, according to Christian doctrine, is one of the Seven Deadly Sins. In addition, Christian Nationalism does not have a kind of ethnic component in it, which could be potentially challenging when it comes to the branch of Western Christianity. In Western Christianity, it's practically a kind of spiritual form of internationalism, meaning that anyone can become either Catholic or Protestant. In Eastern Christianity, it's a kind of spiritual analogue to Socialism in One Country, or rather, a Nationalized form of Christianity that corresponds to the country in which Orthodox Christian Churches are established.

To cite an example, let's use the one from E. Michael Jones's kind of Christian 'nationalism': imagine an African migrant moving to a Catholic country like say, Hungary. (Jones actually used Poland as an example). That migrant learned the Hungarian language, adopted Hungarian customs, and became Catholic, and in the end, he becomes a Hungarian. However, the main problem with this is that when one thinks of an ethnic Hungarian, they assume that the Hungarian is white, and not African. The African migrant to Hungary could become a Hungarian citizen, or gain Hungarian nationality, but he could never become an ethnic Hungarian.

So let's say, in the case of the US, Christian Nationalism can be confusing, as we don't know if it's a Protestant brand or a Catholic brand. Unlike Europe, with America, any migrant could immigrate to the US, learn the English language, and become American. But depending on which religion the migrant belongs to prior to immigrating to the US, they'd keep it.

 

[ATP]

Honestly, from what I could guess, the only possible weakness about Christian Nationalism in general is that expressing a kind of nationalism can be considered a form of pride, which in itself, according to Christian doctrine, is one of the Seven Deadly Sins. In addition, Christian Nationalism does not have a kind of ethnic component in it, which could be potentially challenging when it comes to the branch of Western Christianity. In Western Christianity, it's practically a kind of spiritual form of internationalism, meaning that anyone can become either Catholic or Protestant. In Eastern Christianity, it's a kind of spiritual analogue to Socialism in One Country, or rather, a Nationalized form of Christianity that corresponds to the country in which Orthodox Christian Churches are established.

To cite an example, let's use the one from E. Michael Jones's kind of Christian 'nationalism': imagine an African migrant moving to a Catholic country like say, Hungary. (Jones actually used Poland as an example). That migrant learned the Hungarian language, adopted Hungarian customs, and became Catholic, and in the end, he becomes a Hungarian. However, the main problem with this is that when one thinks of an ethnic Hungarian, they assume that the Hungarian is white, and not African. The African migrant to Hungary could become a Hungarian citizen, or gain Hungarian nationality, but he could never become an ethnic Hungarian.

So let's say, in the case of the US, Christian Nationalism can be confusing, as we don't know if it's a Protestant brand or a Catholic brand. Unlike Europe, with America, any migrant could immigrate to the US, learn the English language, and become American. But depending on which religion the migrant belongs to prior to immigrating to the US, they'd keep it.

Polish nationalists before war claimed that blacks or indians who learn polish and adopt our customs and culture would be poles as good as any others.
And i agree with them.

As long as we are polish catholics,we could be green and have tentacles !