China Chinese Courts Deem Homosexuality a Mental Illness

Because the same excuse of 'it's another country' when it comes to why we shouldn't care what they do to gays, can just as easily be applied to any atrocity.

Because this may just be the beginning of something even more nasty for homosexuals in China.

we've got enough issues in our own country. we don't need to be policing the world. the right needs to stop being obsessed with bringing back the Roman empire or New Jerusalem (on earth) just as much as the left needs to stop obsessing about bringing back Babylonian.
 
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we've got enough issues in our own country. we don't need to be policing the world. the right needs to stop being obsessed with bringing back the Roman empire or New Jerusalem (on earth) as much as the left needs to stop obsessing about bringing back Babylonian.
I don't want an empire.

I want fair trade, with local protections that keep both the economy, and security of the nations strategic independence.

I want open seas but protected waters, with fees for protecting merchant shipping that compensate for wear and tear on the US fleet.

I want consenting adults to make love to who they want to love that is also a consenting adult, without fear of being thrown in an asylum or off a roof, everywhere humanity dwells.
 
I don't want an empire.

I want fair trade, with local protections that keep both the economy, and security of the nations strategic independence.

I want open seas but protected waters, with fees for protecting merchant shipping that compensate for wear and tear on the US fleet.

I want consenting adults to make love to who they want to love that is also a consenting adult, without fear of being thrown in an asylum or off a roof, everywhere humanity dwells.
if you really think we'll be able to police the world without a politicion getting delusions of grandeur I'm sorry to disappoint you.
 

King Arts

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I don't want an empire.

I want fair trade, with local protections that keep both the economy, and security of the nations strategic independence.
Fair trade is reasonable. But any bad deals are the result of our incompetent leaders. At least I'm being charitable by assuming they are incompetent, if it is corruption instead that is so much worse it's borderline treason. The swamp needs to be drained before this happens. And draining the swamp doesn't guarantee good trade deals. It makes it more likely though because instead of treasonous rats, the new guys may just be incompetent buffoons'. But that's not that bad, new idiots can learn, if they can't they can be replaced. There would be growing pains however, but it could be done as long as we did not have people sabotaging the homeland.

I want open seas but protected waters, with fees for protecting merchant shipping that compensate for wear and tear on the US fleet.
This actually probably won't happen. Who exactly are you going to charge? I mean any nation that is not a puppet will just say thank you but no thank you, and either increase their own navy, or just let their merchant ships carry some big guns to protect against pirates if it becomes a danger.

I want consenting adults to make love to who they want to love that is also a consenting adult, without fear of being thrown in an asylum or off a roof, everywhere humanity dwells.
This is forcing your own morality on other people! This is basically the same thing the libs are doing, accept my pro nouns, bla bla bla. Each nation has it's own traditions and laws and those should be respected if people don't want to follow those laws they should move to a place where they don't have to. If you want freedom of speech and the right to own guns come to America, if you want whatever it is you want, look up if there are any places that allow it and see if you can go there.
 

Captain X

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There might be an uptick in homosexuality due to the lack of mating opportunities. The gender gap is going to suuuuuck.
So being a weeb, I actually know some weird shit on this topic, because among weebs, there are some guys who like to dress up like female characters, sometimes because they're actually into that, and sometimes to basically be edgy. As it turns out, there are these rather convincing prosthetics from China that can make guys who aren't fat-asses actually pass pretty well. A friend of mine bet a couple of ugly women cosplaying male characters rather poorly that he could make a more convincing cosplay of a woman than they could of men, and he went all out, getting all kinds of stuff from Hong Kong so he could cosplay as 2B from Nier: Automata. Anyway, the upshot is, he found out through doing research to get the stuff for this cosplay (he really did pass for a woman until he said something), that there is a pretty big market for this stuff in China, and that the breasts not only have nipples, but that it's apparently pretty common to get bottoms that simulate a vagina. The things I learn being a weeb... o_O

We can. Like it's not a question of need, they are not the powerful nation, we have to appease. We aren't Romania, or Finland during ww2 where we have to pick between the Nazis or the Commies because if we don't the other will attack us. We are with them because of convenience. Nations are basically giant tribes, humans come together for protection that is why be band together collectively there is no reason to be cruel to other tribes or attack them without a good reason, but there is also no reason to care about them either, unless they are allies. It's cheaper to have the Saudi's as a client, that's all the reason we need. We can ally with those who are immoral if it aligns with our national interests. Hell even the Europeans who people say that the British and other western europeans are America's greatest friend, if we followed your line of thought to the extreme I could make the argument that we should not be friends with the British because they don't allow free speech in their nation. But no one seems to be considering this.
I mean, if I were President, I'd say something about how they and other former Commonwealth nations have been spiraling into fascism.
 

Cherico

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Well that does help but I thought their current plan was to target minority groups with seperatist leanings mass murder the men and give the women to lonely men.

but that works too captain.
 

Captain X

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You know, the weirdest part of that suit was that he got a chest piece that had nipples because the version without nipples cost more (yes, really), but the breasts themselves weren't naturally shaped at all, as they were made to be held in a bra and create cleavage. But they had nipples.
 

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This makes me wonder if China isn't just using the topic as part of preparations for setting up the future political deals with USA, taking statements like above into the equation. After all, this means that either:
a) Biden administration does as it says, in turn letting China ask "ok, what do we get for changing that", and you know they will ask for something of clear and material interest to them, in turn making this a deal that gets them something in exchange for nothing
b) Biden administration ignores the matter, making it look weak and China look strong, ignoring US administration's global virtue signalling mandate with no repercussions
 

Abhorsen

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The quackery of the treatment is a completely independent variable to the diagnosis. They tried using lobotomies for literally everything when the icepick lobotomy was discovered.
First, the lobotomy wasn't just tried for homosexuality. It was institutionalized. After a second conviction for homosexuality, the state would force lobotomy or castration on a gay man in the US. About 40% of the Father of Lobotomy Walter Freeman's 'patients' were there for being gay.

Second, I have absolutely zero faith that Communist China won't do something incredibly evil to homosexuals, just like they do to literally every other disfavored group. Second child? Murdered. Uighur? Organ harvesting. Homosexual? Don't really want to find out.
 
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ShieldWife

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Keep in mind that we don’t really have the power to force China to not oppress gays. However, there are numerous nations around the world where gays are mistreated, even executed, who we could influence. Countless countries in the Middle East and Africa persecute gays and those countries are poor and weak enough that we could pressure/threaten/murder them into changing their policies. Yet we don’t, so making the world safe for gay people isn’t that high a priority for the US government elites.

Not that we should do that, if we tried to control other nations to that degree, it would be a recipe for endless war and the horrors associated with it.
 

FriedCFour

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And that is why it is so repulsive to see people say this is a good thing, or that we shouldn't care because it's another nation.
Why is wanting to adhere to the tradition of domestic sovereignty given birth in the west following the treaty of Westphalia so repulsive?

Should we not care what happens to the Uihygers (?) as well?
Not at all. I mean to say, you as a citizen can say some shit or care, but don’t try to use government to do anything about it or endorse that.


What happened to 'Never Again.'?
Propaganda bullshit to try and justify internationalism. What happened to American Isolationism? What happened to domestic sovereignty? Hell this is in the fucking UN charter.
“nothing [...] shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state.”
This is within the domestic jurisdiction. The UN has no authority here.
 
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The fuck are you talking about? What pendulum swinging back at me? It’s already been doing that for decades lol

Frankly I wasn't talking to people like you given that you have essentially bowed to the left in terms of principles and your only mad about losing to them on the ideological and religious fronts. You are the very kind of person that I am warning against.
 

Marduk

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What happened to 'Never Again.'?
Mao, Pol Pot, North Korea and ISIL happened. Since then it has an "applies only to bumfuckistans, and only when convenient" exception. As these exceptions established, major powers with nuclear weapons or allies with them are especially excepted, because very unsurprisingly no one wants to have their country nuked over some bunch of foreigners killing some other bunch of foreigners they hardly heard about.
 
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ShieldWife

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Should we not care what happens to the Uihygers (?) as well?
Why should we?
I care about them, but what can we do? If this or that group being persecuted was casus belli then we'd have to go to war with most of the nations on earth. In fact, we'd end up not only destroying our own nation, but causing more death and suffering than if we had left everybody alone.

In fact, recent (and even not so recent) military activity of the USA around the world has been mostly harmful and done with ill intentions. Over the days several decades (basically starting with Dessert Storm) our adventurism in the Middle East has lead to the death of millions of civilians. Maybe if we want to stop suffering around the world, we should start being not being the bad guys. A good beginning would be to leave other countries alone.
 

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