History China: The Be All of Civilizations Past and Present?

Fun think about Gobeli Tepe - it seems made by hunter gatherers,which should not be possible.Yet it still existed.
What about those places in SA? do you have names ? i only read about some old mine there.
Tepe is likely one of the first 'temples/observatories'.

Watching the stars for changes in season was something many early humans did all over; just look at bloody Stonehenge.

As for the stuff in SA, I do not remember names of exact locations, saw it on a documentary age ago, I vaguely recall it was somewhere in the southern part of the country near a coast.

My impression was the sites were in a location, and had artifacts, that went against the narratives of SA's apartheid gov.
 
About what @bintananth said about swans - one of people i meet claimed that swann/white/ broke leg of some drunkard which try attack it.How bird could do that,i dunno.
That is totally believable and the swan probably was not going all-out.

I've come across pictures of a bald eagle attacking a swan. The swans reaction was along the lines of "You have to be kidding me", "We're actually doing this", and "Ok, I'ma show you how it's done".
 
Slightly off the old city of Jericho is 11,000 years old. Jericho | Facts & History. Me thinks people need to rethink what people were up to a few thousand years before the creation of the Old City. Because brick masonry and stone working on that scale does not pop up out of nowhere without some other sites having existed first. Possible under the Med.
I think that the city we think of a Jericho is not that old, but the location was used intermittently beforehand because it sits at a good location for agriculture.

I expect one of those gaps in habitation they mention in the Nature paper is from the airburst that hit the area.

Another interesting 11000 year old site, on the other side of the world, is this one:

There's a reason the Ute have no migration myth; they never left their home range and this was probably one of their most significant 'settlements', though it was not used much once Europeans arrived and horse+guns changed hunting dynamics.
I think the world is older and more advanced many times over. Well more advanced then we thought.
There was a huge battleground found in Germany that dates around the time of Mesopotamia
Oh definitely.

I think before the last Ice Age humans might have been more advanced than we thought, and a lot of the evidence of it has simply been lost to natural processes and sea level rise.

The whole Atlantis tale/flood myth common to many separate cultures had to come from somewhere.

The opening of the Bosphorus into the Black Sea, or some sort of civ out on the Canary Islands being destroyed in a mega-landslide after a seismic/volcanic event, or it could have also been some sort of glacial release flood from the retreating glaciers, or the flooding of Doggerland/creation of the North Sea.

The Chinese have their own flood myths, but those are mostly stories of really, really bad river floods that helped propel the First Emperor to his throne. Far more mundane than Noah or Atlantis.
 
I think that the city we think of a Jericho is not that old, but the location was used intermittently beforehand because it sits at a good location for agriculture.

I expect one of those gaps in habitation they mention in the Nature paper is from the airburst that hit the area.

Another interesting 11000 year old site, on the other side of the world, is this one:

There's a reason the Ute have no migration myth; they never left their home range and this was probably one of their most significant 'settlements', though it was not used much once Europeans arrived and horse+guns changed hunting dynamics.
Oh definitely.

I think before the last Ice Age humans might have been more advanced than we thought, and a lot of the evidence of it has simply been lost to natural processes and sea level rise.

The whole Atlantis tale/flood myth common to many separate cultures had to come from somewhere.

The opening of the Bosphorus into the Black Sea, or some sort of civ out on the Canary Islands being destroyed in a mega-landslide after a seismic/volcanic event, or it could have also been some sort of glacial release flood from the retreating glaciers, or the flooding of Doggerland/creation of the North Sea.

The Chinese have their own flood myths, but those are mostly stories of really, really bad river floods that helped propel the First Emperor to his throne. Far more mundane than Noah or Atlantis.
I think we have gone on a derail but this is a very interesting topic for another thread.
Unless we count talking about China in general for this thread.
 
I think we have gone on a derail but this is a very interesting topic for another thread.
Unless we count talking about China in general for this thread.
Fair enough.

Part of this goes to how the CCP have tried to hold themselves up at the 'oldest, most senior' civilization to their citizens and in propaganda. The Chinese have some legit things to claim like gunpowder and silk, but they aren't the eldest kid on the block or the one that 'matured' fastest.
 
Fair enough.

Part of this goes to how the CCP have tried to hold themselves up at the 'oldest, most senior' civilization to their citizens and in propaganda. The Chinese have some legit things to claim like gunpowder and silk, but they aren't the eldest kid on the block or the one that 'matured' fastest.
They seem to claim the Han are the best in China iirc.. didn't Xi basically make himself Emperor in all but name?
 
They seem to claim the Han are the best in China iirc.. didn't Xi basically make himself Emperor in all but name?
Oh the CCP is up to all sorts of shanaganns. Just google how many quote unquote fossils of Dinosaurs have been found in China recently. I may not be a scientist but they seem to have more found fossils than any other fossil site in the entire world. Like more animals living in some locations at certain periods of time than an ecosystem can actually sustain. I think another CCP fossil scandal is on the horizon.
 
Oh the CCP is up to all sorts of shanaganns. Just google how many quote unquote fossils of Dinosaurs have been found in China recently. I may not be a scientist but they seem to have more found fossils than any other fossil site in the entire world. Like more animals living in some locations at certain periods of time than an ecosystem can actually sustain. I think another CCP fossil scandal is on the horizon.
Ancient Chinese Maps show that their carnivorous dinosaurs once had the surrounding nations' land as their territories...
 
Ten thousand years ago a meteorite of Vibranium landed in what would become Wakanda and thus the primitive BLACK tribes that lived there became the first advanced civilization in history.

Don't even get me started on Dr. Yakub... The greatest scientist in all of history (until Shuri).
 
While kind of a meme, China has a long history of claiming every invention was made in China a thousand years more advanced than everybody else (and thus they have a natural right to pirate those patents), and pulling out "Ancient Chinese Maps" that show that they used to own/control whatever territory is currently being contested and therefore have a natural/prior claim to it as their former holdings.

Most recently, right as they began business overtures in Africa, suddenly they discovered Ancient Chinese Maps showing that long before Europeans got there, China had extensive holdings and trade routes in Africa and controlled those territories.


Thus my post was just a riff on that, of China creating fake dinosaur fossils to claim Chinese Dinosaurs once roamed other nations so China has a right to claim resources/territory from those nations.
 
While kind of a meme, China has a long history of claiming every invention was made in China a thousand years more advanced than everybody else (and thus they have a natural right to pirate those patents), and pulling out "Ancient Chinese Maps" that show that they used to own/control whatever territory is currently being contested and therefore have a natural/prior claim to it as their former holdings.

Most recently, right as they began business overtures in Africa, suddenly they discovered Ancient Chinese Maps showing that long before Europeans got there, China had extensive holdings and trade routes in Africa and controlled those territories.


Thus my post was just a riff on that, of China creating fake dinosaur fossils to claim Chinese Dinosaurs once roamed other nations so China has a right to claim resources/territory from those nations.
The Chinese would probably claim that they taught Capuchin Monkeys how to make stone knives thousands of years ago.

Um, no. Those monkeys figured it out on their own but don't realize that they're making stone tools very similar to the earliest ones made by our pre-human ancestors and used by them to carve large tasty things into bite-sized bits.

Capuchin Monkeys know how to find the right type of rock.
 
Ahhh.
So like they claim they found america first?
Yes, there is at least one, probably more, Ancient Chinese Maps that claim they discovered America first.

 
Yes, there is at least one, probably more, Ancient Chinese Maps that claim they discovered America first.

Come take it over my dead body
 
Funny, I found documents and maps in the attic of my grandparents that detail the colonization of chinese territory by germanistic tribes. If anything, China is german soil!
 
Ancient Chinese Maps show that their carnivorous dinosaurs once had the surrounding nations' land as their territories...
Possible.They even can try to prove that T.Rex was from China.And as such,USA are their rigtfull property.
About what @Bacle said about their propaganda - they are old,but their culture was destroyed by commies.All chineese philosophers said how important thing is reverence for parents - and commies made kind of mandatory for children to reject their parents.They basically un-made their culture with that.

P.S i read,that China state basically was treatet as bigger chineese family,and emperor power come from fact that he was considered head of all chineese families.I dunno,if it is true or not.Becouse if it was true,they how he could find waifu? all womans would be his daughters.
 

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