China ChiCom News Thread

[King Arts]

I'm saying that if the CCP loses power there will be a break up, as the different regions won't acknowledge the legitimacy of one anther. If you are asking why they won't just bomb and attack one another, I don't have an answer for you, they very well might. However, I find it difficult to believe that any faction in China would be capable of occupying and controlling other regions, if those regions chose to be rebellious.

Something else to consider, is that the dissolution of the CCP would be the single greatest humanitarian crisis in living memory. Billions of people would be suffering from starvation and thirst. China is already a net importer of food, a lot of their infrastructure is poorly built enough that it requires constant maintenance (tofu dreg projects).

I was talking about the guys in charge of the nuclear weapons. I'm assuming they would be loyal to a central unified China, they would know that anything is better than division as the west will make sure they never rise again.

 

[UberIguana]

That means they'll launch on any outsider getting actively involved. Will they fire on another Chinese city if it refuses to acknowledge Beijing's orders? That's an entirely different question. Especially since nuking your own people will destroy much of the legitimacy of the regime you're backing.

 

[Yinko]

I was talking about the guys in charge of the nuclear weapons. I'm assuming they would be loyal to a central unified China, they would know that anything is better than division as the west will make sure they never rise again.

So, nuke themselves in order to prevent others from oppressing them? The most likely scenario for the break up of the CCP would be the local politicians and military leaders defecting, like with the warlords. In which case, the central authority would have no ability to launch those weapons anyway. It'd be like the Pentagon ordering a missile launch from a base in North Dakota, after North Dakota had ceceded as a junta.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Chinese Ambassador to Japan Wu Jianghao threatens plunging the Japanese people into a fiery hellpit of some sort if they take sides with Taiwan's "secessionist forces."



This comes two weeks after China warned the Philippines of what could happen to the 150,000 Overseas Filipino Workers in Taiwan if they did anything but unequivocally oppose Taiwanese Independence and supporting US military operations/bases near the Taiwan Straights.

China to PH: Oppose Taiwan independence if you care for 150k OFWs

“The Taiwan question is entirely China’s internal affair, as is the Mindanao issue to the Philippines. You will never allow any third party to meddle with resolving rebel issues in Mindanao,” Huang said on Raffy Tima's report on "24 Oras". "Philippines is advised to unequivocally oppose ‘Taiwan...

www.gmanetwork.com

 

[Cherico]

They do this and Japanese comernerce raiders cut china off from middle eastern oil

 

[Pocky Balboa]

Chinese Ambassador to Japan Wu Jianghao threatens plunging the Japanese people into a fiery hellpit of some sort if they take sides with Taiwan's "secessionist forces."



This comes two weeks after China warned the Philippines of what could happen to the 150,000 Overseas Filipino Workers in Taiwan if they did anything but unequivocally oppose Taiwanese Independence and supporting US military operations/bases near the Taiwan Straights.

China to PH: Oppose Taiwan independence if you care for 150k OFWs

“The Taiwan question is entirely China’s internal affair, as is the Mindanao issue to the Philippines. You will never allow any third party to meddle with resolving rebel issues in Mindanao,” Huang said on Raffy Tima's report on "24 Oras". "Philippines is advised to unequivocally oppose ‘Taiwan...

www.gmanetwork.com

CCP bugmen can't be squashed soon enough.

 

[DarthOne]

CCP bugmen can't be squashed soon enough.

Only ones I wanted squashed faster are the ones in the West.

 

[TheRejectionist]

 

[Cherico]

China's troubles has just begun but their not the only ones who will be in pain its a shitty decade all round.

 

[ATP]

China's troubles has just begun but their not the only ones who will be in pain its a shitty decade all round.

Yup.Only EU would fall for sure,China,USA,kgbstan - all could survive and become superpowers again.

 

[DarthOne]

Yup.Only EU would fall for sure,China,USA,kgbstan - all could survive and become superpowers again.

I’m not so sure. The USA is looking pretty Weimar Germany-lite these days. As is Europe, especially the EU-sphere.

China I can also see having major issues, possibly more then the West. Though part of me is a bit skeptical due to the fact that people have been saying China would fall apart for years now.

As for Russia-I’m assuming that’s what you meant by KGBstan- I don’t know. True they have the same population issues as the West. But unlike the West, they haven’t been allowing economic migrants and hostile third worlders in by the hundreds of thousands or more. Nor are they suffering from the wokist mind virus. As for the economic front…I don’t think they’re any worse then the West. They might even be better. Of course, the war in Ukraine means there is plenty of propaganda flying around from the Russians and the West. Which isn’t helped by the Neo-Cons and the like jumping at a chance to fight their old Cold War foe being embedded in western governments.

 

[Marduk]

As for Russia-I’m assuming that’s what you meant by KGBstan- I don’t know. True they have the same population issues as the West. But unlike the West, they haven’t been allowing economic migrants and hostile third worlders in by the hundreds of thousands or more.

Nah, just a news wall issue, Putin is no different from western establishment in that regard, complete with classic "we know there are millions of them, but no one is really sure how many millions". The process is less pork&virtue signalling loaded and sourcing of migrants is slightly different, but that's it. It's so bad that even the western favor currying Navalny is complaining about Putin's government... letting in too many migrants, top kek.

Alexey Navalny's views on migrants run counter to his pro-democracy discourse

Alexey Navalny has emerged as a rallying figure for liberal Russians and a symbol of Russian opposition, but his image among Central Asians – including Russia's migrant workers – is more contentious.

globalvoices.org

Nor are they suffering from the wokist mind virus.

They have their own mind viruses though.

As for the economic front…I don’t think they’re any worse then the West.

They absolutely are. They have somewhat but not completely different problems (some of the western crap is just a fancy way to technically legalize corruption), but at least as bad in scale, while starting from much lower level.

They might even be better. Of course, the war in Ukraine means there is plenty of propaganda flying around from the Russians and the West. Which isn’t helped by the Neo-Cons and the like jumping at a chance to fight their old Cold War foe being embedded in western governments.

Implying the separation between old cold war and new cold war is anything more than leftist\neoliberal bullshit event to excuse doing stupid shit for fun and profit.

 

[UberIguana]

People talk about how woke will be a problem once something kicks off but I don't agree. A poor country can't afford bread and circuses. Once those stop and the population at large suddenly finds they're personally suffering, they're going to start following anyone who looks like they can put things right. If things get as bad as some on here fear the woke crowd will find themselves removed from anywhere important in a hurry and those circular firing squads they're fond of have a good chance of being replaced with real ones.

This assumes we do get an actual collapse instead of people getting more and more sick of this shit and a pendulum swing instead. Then we'll see a steady decline instead.

 

[LordsFire]

Though part of me is a bit skeptical due to the fact that people have been saying China would fall apart for years now.

One of the big patterns that I've observed in people's thinking on such things, including my own in the past, is that they see problems, sometimes multiple problems that are all legitimately very serious, and then don't even think about what is keeping things going.

The idea of an economy completely collapsing and coming to a functional standstill, is pitted against the reality that people need to eat, and will work to put food in their mouths. People will also find ways to pay for their homes, their transport, their luxuries, etc, when pressed against the wall.

None of this invalidates the serious issues various economies (and especially China's) are having, but these kinds of forces (alongside the CCP's desperate attempts to keep shit together and present a strong face) acts in balance against them.

I'm sure you've also heard the whole thing of 'change happens very slowly and then all at once' thing. That tends to be a pattern when economies suddenly hit walls as well.

 

[Cherico]

People talk about how woke will be a problem once something kicks off but I don't agree. A poor country can't afford bread and circuses. Once those stop and the population at large suddenly finds they're personally suffering, they're going to start following anyone who looks like they can put things right. If things get as bad as some on here fear the woke crowd will find themselves removed from anywhere important in a hurry and those circular firing squads they're fond of have a good chance of being replaced with real ones.

This assumes we do get an actual collapse instead of people getting more and more sick of this shit and a pendulum swing instead. Then we'll see a steady decline instead.

my personal money is on the wokies being used as scape goats when things really get bad.

 

[Yinko]

my personal money is on the wokies being used as scape goats when things really get bad.

Well, they have the most visible influence at the moment. Regardless of whether or not they are being used as tools by wealthy elites (debate is open on that), they talk a lot and pass a lot of laws. So, as the last group in positions of power and influence they will be held responsible if and when the ball drops. The consequences for that won't be pretty for anyone, chaos never is, but it especially won't be pretty for them.

 

[ATP]

I’m not so sure. The USA is looking pretty Weimar Germany-lite these days. As is Europe, especially the EU-sphere.

China I can also see having major issues, possibly more then the West. Though part of me is a bit skeptical due to the fact that people have been saying China would fall apart for years now.

As for Russia-I’m assuming that’s what you meant by KGBstan- I don’t know. True they have the same population issues as the West. But unlike the West, they haven’t been allowing economic migrants and hostile third worlders in by the hundreds of thousands or more. Nor are they suffering from the wokist mind virus. As for the economic front…I don’t think they’re any worse then the West. They might even be better. Of course, the war in Ukraine means there is plenty of propaganda flying around from the Russians and the West. Which isn’t helped by the Neo-Cons and the like jumping at a chance to fight their old Cold War foe being embedded in western governments.

No,Weimar do not have Republic traditions which could save them,USA have.So,they could survive.
China - they have problems with 1 child policy,which is slowly killing them.And,for that reason,they could not afford to genocide young people if they start rebelling.
But- they could survive,too.

kgbstan - if they kill putin,fake being liberals and wait 10 year with next aggresion,they could survive.
If not,they are doomed.
So,long live comrade putin !

 

[TheRejectionist]

 

[Marduk]

If only we had people whining about Russia's and China's military-industrial complex as much as they whine about the US one...
Useful idiots...

 

[Yinko]

If only we had people whining about Russia's and China's military-industrial complex as much as they whine about the US one...
Useful idiots...

China and Russia don't spend nearly as much as we do. On the other hand, if there were to be a big spending cut, those most effected would probably be the service-people and not the manufacturers.