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bintananth

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TheRejectionist

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So, this just happened ...


Since when Beijing cares about what the US said ?
 

Cherico

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I still vote we just cut them off from all exported foodstuffs until they back down permanently on a number of issues, and promise (with down payments) to provide reparations for the economic damage from the commie coof.

The chinese economy is currently in the begining stages of dealing with a collapse worse then our subprime disaster.

Their going to be out of play as a major power for decades.
 

Yinko

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The chinese economy is currently in the begining stages of dealing with a collapse worse then our subprime disaster.

Their going to be out of play as a major power for decades.
From what I can tell, most of China's recent actions are aimed at consolidating their economic and political power in preparation for a long-winter scenario. Deposing the billionaires, absorbing Hong Kong, forcing all companies to register at the HK stock exchange, using the BRI to shore up their cash flow for a few decades, and all the rest. They know that they are going to crash, so the political elites are ensuring that they themselves will remain in power, and in order to make that happen they are trying to make their economy resilient even at the cost of it's value. That is to say, they need it to stay stable enough that there aren't rebellions everywhere, they don't care if people starve. They are also removing political rivals within the country ahead of time. This may be why they took such harsh action against the Muslims and Hong Kong, despite international pressure. It's also why a lot of Chinese students overseas are in a state of semi-exile, sent abroad by their families in order to avoid political issues at home.

The move to push themselves back towards economic isolationist Communism (AKA pre-Nixson era China) is a response to the obvious trend of the world to no longer need them, and of China itself becoming ever more unstable as it became more capitalistic.
 
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bintananth

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Two bad for the CCP that they managed to piss off India, Vietnam, The Phillippines, Japan, Singapore and Taiwan. This will end very badly for the CCP if they press their advantages.
Lets see here:

- India has nukes, and Indians did work for the Manhattan District way back when
- Vietnam really does not wish to be told what to do by an outsider
- July 4th is important to Filipinos because that's their actual independence day
- Japan? They hate China and I will say no more
- In Singapore spitting out a piece gum in public might get you arrested
- Taiwan would really like it if the US would sell them AEGIS
 

gral

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I remember commenting in a thread(I think it was this one) that the official US position on Taiwan was a study in legalese needle-threading; here's a video that goes on more detail about it:

 

King Arts

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So the Chinks are starting to really piss me off.

I thought they left all this anti religion crap behind when they ended the cultural revolution and great leap forward. If not, well we might need to start weaning ourselves, and help our allies wean themselves off China.
 

gral

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I thought they left all this anti religion crap behind when they ended the cultural revolution and great leap forward.

Nah, remember the repression of Falun Gong, back in the... late 90s? early 2000s?

I'm a bit surprised they didn't do this before, especially given how much Winnie the Pooh is tightening control over Chinese society.
 

Bear Ribs

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So the Chinks are starting to really piss me off.

I thought they left all this anti religion crap behind when they ended the cultural revolution and great leap forward. If not, well we might need to start weaning ourselves, and help our allies wean themselves off China.
I've said it before, Authoritarians do not tolerate anyone but themselves to have any authority or power. They will always crack down on religion when they feel they can get away with it because religion inherently speaks with authority and power.
 

The Whispering Monk

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So the Chinks are starting to really piss me off.

I thought they left all this anti religion crap behind when they ended the cultural revolution and great leap forward. If not, well we might need to start weaning ourselves, and help our allies wean themselves off China.
Shit no. They've been steadily attacking religion. Previously mentioned is the Falun Gong. Christian missionaries are constantly harrassed, and bible burning are still a thing. Symbols of religion are constantly siezed and owners fined and/or imprisoned.

It just wasn't talked about b/c the power brokers were hoping/praying/not-giving-a-shit about it b/c they were waiting for all the money and/or progress of China towards capitalism. I think is was taken as 'just the cost of growth' on China's part.

Frankly, China hasn't stopped being horrible since Mao. They just changed the way they are horrible.
 

King Arts

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Nah, remember the repression of Falun Gong, back in the... late 90s? early 2000s?

I'm a bit surprised they didn't do this before, especially given how much Winnie the Pooh is tightening control over Chinese society.
Yes, but Falun Gong are a local Buddhist group. What do they even believe in? I'm talking about Christians being persecuted. There is a difference.

I've said it before, Authoritarians do not tolerate anyone but themselves to have any authority or power. They will always crack down on religion when they feel they can get away with it because religion inherently speaks with authority and power.
Not necessarily in the past conservative authoritarians have allied with the Church because it can help maintain order and stability.

Shit no. They've been steadily attacking religion. Previously mentioned is the Falun Gong. Christian missionaries are constantly harrassed, and bible burning are still a thing. Symbols of religion are constantly siezed and owners fined and/or imprisoned.

It just wasn't talked about b/c the power brokers were hoping/praying/not-giving-a-shit about it b/c they were waiting for all the money and/or progress of China towards capitalism. I think is was taken as 'just the cost of growth' on China's part.

Frankly, China hasn't stopped being horrible since Mao. They just changed the way they are horrible.
Some of it is on us, because unlike past empires which declared themselves protector's of the faith, so they would negotiate with foreign empires for decent treatment of foreign coreligionists. Since our leaders are secular it's much easier for them to ignore. Like we should have gotten assurances from the Chinese that in exchange for recognition and opening of trade they must tolerate Christians to freely practice their faith.
 

LordsFire

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So the Chinks are starting to really piss me off.

I thought they left all this anti religion crap behind when they ended the cultural revolution and great leap forward. If not, well we might need to start weaning ourselves, and help our allies wean themselves off China.

That you did not realize that this has been a continual ongoing thing shows you really don't understand how things have been in China that well.

To be fair to you, it hasn't been as bad as things were under Mao, but the CCP has followed the same basic paradigm as every other communist regime, and persecuting any other possible source of cultural authority.

Yes, but Falun Gong are a local Buddhist group. What do they even believe in? I'm talking about Christians being persecuted. There is a difference.

Do you not realize how sociopathic this sounds?
 

King Arts

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That you did not realize that this has been a continual ongoing thing shows you really don't understand how things have been in China that well.

To be fair to you, it hasn't been as bad as things were under Mao, but the CCP has followed the same basic paradigm as every other communist regime, and persecuting any other possible source of cultural authority.
To be fair, the mainstream media makes it look like the Chinese have stopped being serious about their communism and are more interested in the wealth and power of China instead of oppressing religion.

Do you not realize how sociopathic this sounds?
Actually it's not, sociopathic would be selling out to the Chinese in exchange for my own personal benefit. Sociopaths only care about themselves. But humans can't really care about everyone in the world our empathy is tribalistic. So for me I consider Christians to be my people. Thus I care about the wellbeing of Christians above others. All things being equal I'll support Christians before others, and the closer someone is to being of the right faith the more "worth" that I'd give them.

Man, if I were President, I would totally recognize the Republic of China, and call the Chinese Communist Party the murderous usurpers that they are.
History would have been better in that region if MacArthur could have unleashed the nukes on the commies.
 

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To be fair, the mainstream media makes it look like the Chinese have stopped being serious about their communism and are more interested in the wealth and power of China instead of oppressing religion.


Actually it's not, sociopathic would be selling out to the Chinese in exchange for my own personal benefit. Sociopaths only care about themselves. But humans can't really care about everyone in the world our empathy is tribalistic. So for me I consider Christians to be my people. Thus I care about the wellbeing of Christians above others. All things being equal I'll support Christians before others, and the closer someone is to being of the right faith the more "worth" that I'd give them.


History would have been better in that region if MacArthur could have unleashed the nukes on the commies.
And basically make nuking when ever one wants a valid thing to do?



As for the article about them getting more strict.
They are getting ready to try and get a lot more power and have to save thier economy.
They are on the downward trend.
 

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