United States Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) & The Warlord Raz Saga

The Original Sixth

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Not sure if legit, but if Raz has had a...'moment of clarity' and realized the monster he's part of, maybe there's still hope for some of the Left.


No, he just doesn't want to hang. Raz is probably smart enough to realize that he can't keep this up and even in Seattle, you probably can't get away with taking control over several city blocks with armed goons and let there be a free for all of rape and murder without SOMEONE getting it in the ass.
 

The Original Sixth

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They better blast out some Liberty Prime when they roll in.



Believe it or not, but that's what they want.

CHAZ was never plausible. It made no sense for even the left-wing mayor and governor to ignore what was happening in CHAZ. The sexual assaults, extortion rackets, and murders were not at all a concern for her until Trump's rally, where he said he had no intention of sending anyone in. And lo and behold, suddenly the mayor thinks it's a good idea to clean that shit up. Also interesting, is that soon after Trump said that, we have BHAZ trying to form in DC.

They're trying to goad the President into using excessive force to cost him the election. He wouldn't do it for Seattle, so they're hoping they can provoke him in DC, where a BHAZ would be a direct challenge to Trump's authority. They're right; Trump can't back down, but they've mistook the climate; that might have worked when CHAZ had started, but it won't work now. People saw what happened in Seattle, they aren't going to tolerate it for the capital of the country.

It'll probably last a day or so at most. After the first dozen or so people are facing down 10 year sentences for destruction of Federal property, the rest will disperse.
 

Yinko

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but they've mistook the climate; that might have worked when CHAZ had started, but it won't work now. People saw what happened in Seattle, they aren't going to tolerate it for the capital of the country.
You might be right, I hope so. But I lived in DC for a time, during 2014, even back then it was the most oppressively liberal place I'd ever encountered. They're more the elitist type though, so they may be more reticent.
 

The Original Sixth

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You might be right, I hope so. But I lived in DC for a time, during 2014, even back then it was the most oppressively liberal place I'd ever encountered. They're more the elitist type though, so they may be more reticent.

In regards to him putting up with it?

I am. He may let it go a day or so before putting his foot down, like he did with the first wave of riots, but he has no choice but to re-establish law and order. That's his brand. He can brush off Seattle, because Seattle has all the tools to end CHAZ in an hour, the mayor is on record not wanting to stop it, Trump has stated he is willing to send in troops (but won't without her support), and it's an isolated situation.

Basically, the emerging plan for the first riots was this:

  1. Allow/use Antifa to create lots of property damage.
  2. Pull back police force.
  3. Use media resources to portray the violent riots as peaceful protests.
  4. Trump feels compelled to put down the riots, fearing they make him look weak.
  5. Trump sends troops and they use excessive force.
  6. Media and DNC portrays Trump as a fascist thug who put down a peaceful protest against police brutality against minorities.
  7. When/if that didn't work, spread it across the country to give Trump the illusion that the entire country is imploding. If he doesn't act, people will think he's weak, so he will overreact.
  8. If that doesn't work, take it to his front lawn and scare the shit out of him or mock him for his weakness.
The problem was that was as follows:
  1. Due to social media, everyone got to see the extensive use of property damage and violence. In fact, we saw this in box stores. And that had I think, an interesting effect; because if you walked into a box store in Maryland, you could mistake it for one in Minnesota. The advantage is that it lets anyone from anywhere in the country find whatever they want. In this situation, it made it really easy for you to picture it being your target.
  2. Pulling back the police, while intent on forcing Trump to act, also destroyed the DNC's narrative on gun ownership. The DNC's position was that you had the police to protect you, they would protect you, and you don't need a gun--especially not one with a high capacity magazine or full auto. Except we saw that even when people are literally burning and looting small businesses, the police will not come to save you and you may indeed need something with high capacity and high rate of fire.
  3. Because of social media, using media sources to make the protesters look innocent didn't just fail, it backfired. You had a guy standing in front of a burning building (several blocks away) claiming that everything was fine. The conclusion was that either they were horribly dishonest or incredibly stupid. We literally reached parody levels.
  4. Trump did not respond to the uprising in Minessota.
  5. When Trump did send the troops, they did not use excessive force. In fact, the rioters came off for the worse, because videos of them antagonizing soldiers ended up online for everyone to see. Soldiers are well loved in the US. Even people like Pelosi don't dare come right out and say anything bad about our troops. That's a major voting bloc. And here you have people screaming in troop faces about how they're scum.
  6. When Trump did send troops out to clear DC up, they at first had some initial success trying to portray Evangelicals as outraged by Trump's use of force and "photo-op", but that quickly fell through because the truth was he chased off the very same people who desecrated one of our oldest churches. While they may not have liked the photo-op, in the situation Trump was more "right" than he was "wrong". After that, the narrative fell apart, even after they tried to goad him by saying he was hiding in his bunker.
  7. Spreading it across the country did not do the DNC or the media any favors, as they had hoped it would. Since the double-edged sword was that if Trump didn't respond, the country would lose faith in him and if he did respond, they would paint him as a fascist, they didn't realize that Trump could do both. See, even if you hate Trump, you still expect him to defend you if someone attacked the country. So what Trump did was wait long enough for just about everyone to realize that they might get hurt before he brought down the hammer. The result was a mismatch in narrative; the general population was more angry at Trump's delay than what he would actually do. The media however, tried to shine a light on what Trump did, not realizing the shift in focus.
  8. Sending people to break into the White House (or threaten to) does not win you any sympathetic hearts. Because everyone with half a brain knows that if you breach that wall, you are not coming back.

So what the DNC is doing now, is the repeat of the same trick. They like that for some reason. Pelosi and the rest of the DNC morons tried it on Trump. First by using the Russian Investigation to give the impression of a President who would be impeached (and therefore might) and then later trying to use the Biden Scandal to impeach the President. Don't be surprised when in the middle or late summer area, after these protests fail, they might try to go back to the COVID-19 scare.

Anyway, the idea seemed to be that CHAZ would force Trump to send in the military to retake those city blocks. Similar pattern:


  1. Declare the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone.
  2. Have the DNC and media portray it as peaceful and democratic, while pulling out police forces and allowing crimes to go rampant.
  3. Trump bumbles in and his troops get into a gunfight with Raz and his goons or otherwise kill "protesters".
  4. Media slaughters Trump.

What happened though was this:

  1. People were still unhappy about the riots. Most of the ones paying attention laughed at the lunacy of parts of a city declaring itself independent of the country.
  2. Social media undercut traditional media and DNC claims that the region was peaceful. Rape, sexual assault, theft, and murder are rampant. Worse, the own internal bullshit of the people running the show was made very public.
  3. Trump is refusing to get involved; says that he won't send in troops without the mayor's permission at his rally. He'll let it all burn. In essence, the only thing keeping law and order from being restored is the mayor herself. Who won't send in police or troops.
  4. Antifa looks like a joke as they scream about not having access to ambulances, who refuse to entire a region full of armed thugs with no police escort.
And now the plan is, I think, to try and start up BHAZ. The advantage is that being in DC, Trump can't just ignore it. DC is seen as part of his purview, regardless of the presence of local government. The problem they're going to find however, is that the public is tired of this behavior, sees no reason for it, most of us want to move on, and Trump can put various Antifa members in jail for the next ten years.
 

Yinko

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Nice breakdown. The logic follows very neatly.
  1. Have the DNC and media portray it as peaceful and democratic, while pulling out police forces and allowing crimes to go rampant.
The DNC - "Secessionism by the will of the people is always democratic!" They might want to rethink that message a bit.
the public is tired of this behavior, sees no reason for it, most of us want to move on
I agree that this would make sense, and I know that pretty much everyone on the Right feels that way, probably most average people who live in cities ravaged by the riots as well. The target for the "fascist president" angle would be the center majority who don't live in these cities. While I agree that it would make sense for them to be just as exhausted by all this as we are, with the pernicious bias of basically every media outlet it is almost impossible to tell what the center actually thinks on a regular day let alone right now.
 

Lanmandragon

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It's hard to tell what that means. The UN can't make real decisions without a vote, and they most likely didn't do that via vote, rather it's probably some UN bureaucrat that just said it in some press release or something. Also, their arguement was pretty much just a free-speech argument added to the same old "anti-anti-fascist = fascist" thing.


EDIT
More clear details.
  1. It was a tweet from the Geneva office (not the UN as a whole).
  2. They took the tweet down yesterday.
  3. The Geneva office was being backed by the UN Human Rights Council. Which Trump pulled out of two years ago for being "hypocritical and self-serving".
  4. China is the US's replacement member.
...Huh. I guess that says it all.
Fair enough like I said I didn't have time to watch it.
 

CarlManvers2019

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And now the plan is, I think, to try and start up BHAZ. The advantage is that being in DC, Trump can't just ignore it. DC is seen as part of his purview, regardless of the presence of local government. The problem they're going to find however, is that the public is tired of this behavior, sees no reason for it, most of us want to move on, and Trump can put various Antifa members in jail for the next ten years.

I honestly wonder what would happen if Trump goes "I'm leaving this to the decision of the Mayor of Washington DC, it is ultimately up to the people of this city as to whether or not they wish to have cops and/or armed forces stopping the riots"

Think Trump to be WEAK or someone the Far Left can easily pushover isn't something that goes so well in the narrative
 

Arch Dornan

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Raz is a giant fucking fraud. He's a pimp and a landlord. He rents out like five AirBnBs and owns a smoke shop. He's gone on trips to Dubai where he's rented private helicopters and fancy hotel rooms. He owns a Tesla Model S, a BMW, a Jaguar XJ, and enough guns to hand them out for free like fucking candy. He's being accused by independent investigators of trafficking underage girls.









A veritable fucking Robin Hood, ladies and gentlemen. :ROFLMAO:

A beginner warlord that one. Funded by the wealthy to do shit.

Now to be a true warlord he has to start real human rights violations that warlords get in trouble for and he'll fit right in.
 

The Original Sixth

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Nice breakdown. The logic follows very neatly.

The DNC - "Secessionism by the will of the people is always democratic!" They might want to rethink that message a bit.

I agree that this would make sense, and I know that pretty much everyone on the Right feels that way, probably most average people who live in cities ravaged by the riots as well. The target for the "fascist president" angle would be the center majority who don't live in these cities. While I agree that it would make sense for them to be just as exhausted by all this as we are, with the pernicious bias of basically every media outlet it is almost impossible to tell what the center actually thinks on a regular day let alone right now.

It's actually surprisingly easy to get an idea of how they might look at it.

Out of the major cultures in the United States, the most famous swing group is the Midlanders. They're all about supporting their community and live and let live, but they also tend to hate government overreach. That makes it difficult for the Yankee North and the Deep South to present a candidate who both appeals to their own groups, while retaining the support of those midlanders.

Trump's biggest hurdle was to not offend far western Yankee states who broke for him in 2016 or the Midlanders. So think Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Keep in mind that the during the Civil War, the Midlanders really hadn't given two shits if the Deep South broke off and started their own Confederacy. They quickly changed their mind when they tried to use military force.

Chaz is simply not going to be a popular concept with them. Nor is an armed insurrection. Nor do they care if Trump ignores Seattle, because that's really something the mayor and governor should handle, not Trump.

I honestly wonder what would happen if Trump goes "I'm leaving this to the decision of the Mayor of Washington DC, it is ultimately up to the people of this city as to whether or not they wish to have cops and/or armed forces stopping the riots"

Think Trump to be WEAK or someone the Far Left can easily pushover isn't something that goes so well in the narrative

Trump doesn't have that luxury in DC. DC is seen as being under his protection, because that is the capital and that's where he currently resides. Therefore, Trump will look weak if he lets it go on too long. The balance is waiting long enough to get the more latitude for troops, while keeping the troops from going too far in hurting them. If Trump strikes that balance, even if it isn't perfect, he'll get a pass.

As a Yankee who spent some years in Midland territory, I can tell you that this sort of behavior is not popular to either of those groups. The Midlanders are outright offended that you can justify rioting as protesting (and were afraid they'd be next) and I think even the east coast Yankees might not have cared for it. Even after the officers were fired, arrested, and charged with a crime of murder, there were wild riots. And the Democrats were willing to let it all happen, making them all look like assholes for gun reform laws.

I'm not saying east coast Yankees will change their votes, but I can assure you that western Yankees are very much NOT amused.
 

Iconoclast

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Antifa looks like a joke as they scream about not having access to ambulances, who refuse to entire a region full of armed thugs with no police escort.

For fuck's sake, those CHAZ morons let that guy die for no fucking reason. There are three huge hospitals right there. Half a mile away. Virginia Mason, Swedish, and Harborview are all literally like five or six blocks away! If two of them had picked the guy up and carried him on foot at 4 miles per hour, they would've gotten to the nearest hospital in about six minutes, to say nothing of actually loading him in the back of a pickup and driving him here. Instead, they let him bleed out for 30 minutes and whined at the EMTs like the dumb pussies they are.
 

CarlManvers2019

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For fuck's sake, those CHAZ morons let that guy die for no fucking reason. There are three huge hospitals right there. Half a mile away. Virginia Mason, Swedish, and Harborview are all literally like five or six blocks away! If two of them had picked the guy up and carried him on foot at 4 miles per hour, they would've gotten to the nearest hospital in about six minutes, to say nothing of actually loading him in the back of a pickup and driving him here. Instead, they let him bleed out for 30 minutes and whined at the EMTs like the dumb pussies they are.

I'm betting many were actually recording his death on their phones
 

The Original Sixth

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For fuck's sake, those CHAZ morons let that guy die for no fucking reason. There are three huge hospitals right there. Half a mile away. Virginia Mason, Swedish, and Harborview are all literally like five or six blocks away! If two of them had picked the guy up and carried him on foot at 4 miles per hour, they would've gotten to the nearest hospital in about six minutes, to say nothing of actually loading him in the back of a pickup and driving him here. Instead, they let him bleed out for 30 minutes and whined at the EMTs like the dumb pussies they are.

Well, moving him might have killed him too. It's best not to move injured people around. I'mm sure @Spartan303 can tell us all why that's a bad idea. Still, I might have preferred that to people letting me bleed out in the streets. If they had a wit to put together a makeshift stretcher or use the back of a pick-up truck or just use a fucking car, they could have gotten him to safety.
 

Knowledgeispower

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Fortunately due to DC being Federal land Trump has the legal option of ordering the utilities cut to BHAZ and a blockade set up around it and since its federal land if he chooses he can set up the high end jammers to block communications at which point it's only a matter of time
 
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Iconoclast

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Seriously, imagine dying of a non-fatal gunshot wound this close to a hospital.

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Wait, it gets even worse. This is what actually happened:



Alright everybody. I was actually fucking there working overnight trash pickup and perimeters. Here is my first hand account.

People were partying out in extra numbers. Juneteenth. Lots of drunk people, I was at the east barricade on 13th and we had been hearing fireworks for hours. Around 2:30am we heard 5 shots confirmed on comms ran towards west barricade by Rancho Bravo where the shots were fired and the most people were. As I arrived our copy pasta AR-15 guy was hyperventilating behind a barricade. From two friends in front of that barricade who were eye witnesses came this account.

Two men were talking and one was puffing his feathers while the other tried to de-escalate. The chill guy got sucker punched (ktfo) and then seconds later 5 shots were deployed from a vehicle hitting a different man in the body and the face. 10mm. Moments after the five shots two more shots were fired hitting someone in the arm. Suspected same shooter not confirmed.

I was working to direct traffic out of the way so the seriously injured man could be loaded on a truck and moved to the hospital. Hundreds of people trying to get a video of the incident swarming the man at the medic tents who was quite literally dying in the hands of our emt’s trying to preform emergency GSW procedures. So many people surrounded screaming and whaling at him impeding him getting help and probably scaring the shit out of him. It was an absolute shit show. I did everything in my power to disperse people but no one would listen.

A medic truck backed up to load the man in on a gurney but their truck bed was filled with shit. After several people emptied it frantically they loaded the seriously injured man into the truck. The truck pulled away from medic tent only to be swarmed by more frantic rubbernecking people trying to get a video.

The person who was driving the medic truck at some point got out with their keys and walked away, because supposedly “An ambulance was on route.” Said ambulance had been called 20 mins ago at this point and spotters confirmed it stopped outside of Chop even though the city just removed several barricades to ensure they could respond. The ambulance stopped completely out of view at the scene while this man was losing a lot of blood and his consciousness. All this direct info I gathered from what I could see from 10th and pine while directing cars away and attempting to clear people from the area and later one medic who was hands on attempting to save the mans life with hundreds of people screaming at him and filming their Instagram stories, as well as two eye witnesses in my group. About 30 minutes after the incident a SWAT team arrived to exfil the victim but there were still so many people in the way it was too late.

Truly heartbreaking and honestly defeating. So many people fucked up, so many people were just there for their Instagram story. Like 2 weeks ago when a man had a serious seizure and fell and hit his head and myself and a friend had to scream at ppl to give him space while they all filmed him. I’m pretty disgusted with humanity right now.

As someone who believed in the CHOP and someone who is 100% for this movement and for radical police reform I am uncertain as to whether or not this occupied protest should continue. We have had some small victories with city council and the labor union. Protests work.

IMO three shootings and one dead 19 man is a tipping point for me feeling like we are still helping this movement along. Maybe an unpopular opinion but from the absolute chaos I witnessed last night I think it’s time for us to regroup, keep marching and fucking VOTE.

Also anybody who is using this as a political jumping point for getting rid of the second amendment is just plain wrong IMO.

Shootings happen every day on America. This one will get special attention because of how it all went down, and will be politicized on both sides of our idiotic two party system.

The city is reacting with inaction as a tactic. Age old class warfare.

I have lost a little more faith in humanity today as when we were pushed to handle a real emergency many people fucked up immensely.

We have to do better.

Signed, Your friendly neighbor Queerdo-Anarchist

They had successfully loaded the casualty in the back of a truck, and the guy driving it was like "Welp, ambulance is on the way anyway, brb, gonna go have a smoke", and he shut the engine off and walked away with the keys while this guy bled out in the back.

Jesus.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Seriously, imagine dying of a non-fatal gunshot wound this close to a hospital.

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Wait, it gets even worse. This is what actually happened:





They had successfully loaded the casualty in the back of a truck, and the guy driving it was like "Welp, ambulance is on the way anyway, brb, gonna go have a smoke", and he shut the engine off and walked away with the keys while this guy bled out in the back.

Jesus.


Man, this guy sounds like he was near a realization or two, except now he’s definitely gonna blame the majority of it all on Right Wingers with guns

Say, who gave him the authority to have guns like those AR-15s which are pretty demonized with other guns
 

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