United States Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) & The Warlord Raz Saga

Abhorsen

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Floridaman said:
Tik tok users may be the dumbest people on earth.
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They found bodies, and told the police. Messing with the body probably isn't the best, but without TicTok, the bodies might have not been found for even longer. Honestly, glad they found the body, and this is probably the only useful thing that will be accomplished by tiktockers..
 
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Tryglaw

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Tiamat said:
I said it before, I'll say it again...good Christ, the media these days: MSNBC, CNN, New York Times, etc. is reminding me more and more of the "good old days" of the Soviet TASS network and PRAVDA. It's such blatant BS they don't even remotely bother to hide any of it now to the point it's satire worthy of Mel Brooks.
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Well, in much broader terms when I look at the current developments in the "West", be it media or culture or sociopolitics... This shit is looking eerily familiar...
(For those who don't know me, I'm Polish, born in commie-era.)

This is an excellent article on the subject, maybe we could split off a thread on sovietization of the West?

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A Russian Woman Working as a College Professor in the US Writes About the Sovietization of Amerika

I’m in the editing and rewriting stage of Live Not By Lies now, but I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to talk yesterday with a woman I’ll call “Clarissa,” whose stories were so good that I’m weaving them into the book’s narrative. Clarissa is a college professor who emigrated to the US from...
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Zachowon

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Fuck the police go away.

Fuck the police where were you? I'm going to sue you.
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He will lose hard!
The Original Sixth said:
In regards to him putting up with it?

I am. He may let it go a day or so before putting his foot down, like he did with the first wave of riots, but he has no choice but to re-establish law and order. That's his brand. He can brush off Seattle, because Seattle has all the tools to end CHAZ in an hour, the mayor is on record not wanting to stop it, Trump has stated he is willing to send in troops (but won't without her support), and it's an isolated situation.

Basically, the emerging plan for the first riots was this:

  1. Allow/use Antifa to create lots of property damage.
  2. Pull back police force.
  3. Use media resources to portray the violent riots as peaceful protests.
  4. Trump feels compelled to put down the riots, fearing they make him look weak.
  5. Trump sends troops and they use excessive force.
  6. Media and DNC portrays Trump as a fascist thug who put down a peaceful protest against police brutality against minorities.
  7. When/if that didn't work, spread it across the country to give Trump the illusion that the entire country is imploding. If he doesn't act, people will think he's weak, so he will overreact.
  8. If that doesn't work, take it to his front lawn and scare the shit out of him or mock him for his weakness.
The problem was that was as follows:
  1. Due to social media, everyone got to see the extensive use of property damage and violence. In fact, we saw this in box stores. And that had I think, an interesting effect; because if you walked into a box store in Maryland, you could mistake it for one in Minnesota. The advantage is that it lets anyone from anywhere in the country find whatever they want. In this situation, it made it really easy for you to picture it being your target.
  2. Pulling back the police, while intent on forcing Trump to act, also destroyed the DNC's narrative on gun ownership. The DNC's position was that you had the police to protect you, they would protect you, and you don't need a gun--especially not one with a high capacity magazine or full auto. Except we saw that even when people are literally burning and looting small businesses, the police will not come to save you and you may indeed need something with high capacity and high rate of fire.
  3. Because of social media, using media sources to make the protesters look innocent didn't just fail, it backfired. You had a guy standing in front of a burning building (several blocks away) claiming that everything was fine. The conclusion was that either they were horribly dishonest or incredibly stupid. We literally reached parody levels.
  4. Trump did not respond to the uprising in Minessota.
  5. When Trump did send the troops, they did not use excessive force. In fact, the rioters came off for the worse, because videos of them antagonizing soldiers ended up online for everyone to see. Soldiers are well loved in the US. Even people like Pelosi don't dare come right out and say anything bad about our troops. That's a major voting bloc. And here you have people screaming in troop faces about how they're scum.
  6. When Trump did send troops out to clear DC up, they at first had some initial success trying to portray Evangelicals as outraged by Trump's use of force and "photo-op", but that quickly fell through because the truth was he chased off the very same people who desecrated one of our oldest churches. While they may not have liked the photo-op, in the situation Trump was more "right" than he was "wrong". After that, the narrative fell apart, even after they tried to goad him by saying he was hiding in his bunker.
  7. Spreading it across the country did not do the DNC or the media any favors, as they had hoped it would. Since the double-edged sword was that if Trump didn't respond, the country would lose faith in him and if he did respond, they would paint him as a fascist, they didn't realize that Trump could do both. See, even if you hate Trump, you still expect him to defend you if someone attacked the country. So what Trump did was wait long enough for just about everyone to realize that they might get hurt before he brought down the hammer. The result was a mismatch in narrative; the general population was more angry at Trump's delay than what he would actually do. The media however, tried to shine a light on what Trump did, not realizing the shift in focus.
  8. Sending people to break into the White House (or threaten to) does not win you any sympathetic hearts. Because everyone with half a brain knows that if you breach that wall, you are not coming back.

So what the DNC is doing now, is the repeat of the same trick. They like that for some reason. Pelosi and the rest of the DNC morons tried it on Trump. First by using the Russian Investigation to give the impression of a President who would be impeached (and therefore might) and then later trying to use the Biden Scandal to impeach the President. Don't be surprised when in the middle or late summer area, after these protests fail, they might try to go back to the COVID-19 scare.

Anyway, the idea seemed to be that CHAZ would force Trump to send in the military to retake those city blocks. Similar pattern:


  1. Declare the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone.
  2. Have the DNC and media portray it as peaceful and democratic, while pulling out police forces and allowing crimes to go rampant.
  3. Trump bumbles in and his troops get into a gunfight with Raz and his goons or otherwise kill "protesters".
  4. Media slaughters Trump.

What happened though was this:

  1. People were still unhappy about the riots. Most of the ones paying attention laughed at the lunacy of parts of a city declaring itself independent of the country.
  2. Social media undercut traditional media and DNC claims that the region was peaceful. Rape, sexual assault, theft, and murder are rampant. Worse, the own internal bullshit of the people running the show was made very public.
  3. Trump is refusing to get involved; says that he won't send in troops without the mayor's permission at his rally. He'll let it all burn. In essence, the only thing keeping law and order from being restored is the mayor herself. Who won't send in police or troops.
  4. Antifa looks like a joke as they scream about not having access to ambulances, who refuse to entire a region full of armed thugs with no police escort.
And now the plan is, I think, to try and start up BHAZ. The advantage is that being in DC, Trump can't just ignore it. DC is seen as part of his purview, regardless of the presence of local government. The problem they're going to find however, is that the public is tired of this behavior, sees no reason for it, most of us want to move on, and Trump can put various Antifa members in jail for the next ten years.
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The Original Sixth said:
It's actually surprisingly easy to get an idea of how they might look at it.

Out of the major cultures in the United States, the most famous swing group is the Midlanders. They're all about supporting their community and live and let live, but they also tend to hate government overreach. That makes it difficult for the Yankee North and the Deep South to present a candidate who both appeals to their own groups, while retaining the support of those midlanders.

Trump's biggest hurdle was to not offend far western Yankee states who broke for him in 2016 or the Midlanders. So think Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Keep in mind that the during the Civil War, the Midlanders really hadn't given two shits if the Deep South broke off and started their own Confederacy. They quickly changed their mind when they tried to use military force.

Chaz is simply not going to be a popular concept with them. Nor is an armed insurrection. Nor do they care if Trump ignores Seattle, because that's really something the mayor and governor should handle, not Trump.



Trump doesn't have that luxury in DC. DC is seen as being under his protection, because that is the capital and that's where he currently resides. Therefore, Trump will look weak if he lets it go on too long. The balance is waiting long enough to get the more latitude for troops, while keeping the troops from going too far in hurting them. If Trump strikes that balance, even if it isn't perfect, he'll get a pass.

As a Yankee who spent some years in Midland territory, I can tell you that this sort of behavior is not popular to either of those groups. The Midlanders are outright offended that you can justify rioting as protesting (and were afraid they'd be next) and I think even the east coast Yankees might not have cared for it. Even after the officers were fired, arrested, and charged with a crime of murder, there were wild riots. And the Democrats were willing to let it all happen, making them all look like assholes for gun reform laws.

I'm not saying east coast Yankees will change their votes, but I can assure you that western Yankees are very much NOT amused.
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I have never seen someone more right!!
 
Bear Ribs

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CarlManvers2019 said:
Can't sue RAZ and all those BLM & ANTIFA & other idiots? Well, I think they DID "donate" their property to them
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Assuming they can point to a specific person in those groups, I'd say yes. However BLM and Antifa both use essentially a cellular structure where there's no "leader" and no official person in charge. This means they can always claim any violence is the result of a rogue acting on his own or a false flag operation by secret Republicans, clearly not their fault and they can't be blamed. For this reason it would be nightmarishly hard to sue Antifa in general rather than "this one guy Antifa is scapegoating we have video of."
 
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Bear Ribs said:
Assuming they can point to a specific person in those groups, I'd say yes. However BLM and Antifa both use essentially a cellular structure where there's no "leader" and no official person in charge. This means they can always claim any violence is the result of a rogue acting on his own or a false flag operation by secret Republicans, clearly not their fault and they can't be blamed. For this reason it would be nightmarishly hard to sue Antifa in general rather than "this one guy Antifa is scapegoating we have video of."
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Honestly, while great portions of the Left will never learn, I think many of the people there won't forgive let alone forget

They may come to be weary or careful should they see either anywhere else they move into
 
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