Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

[bintananth]

Dude, just start the kid out with a .22. You want to teach responsibility, but without scaring her away from shooting, too. You also might not want to trust a noob to your museum piece. I would probably use the museum piece as a reward, but that's me.

Treating the gun as if its loaded would be a good first lesson, with trigger discipline being a very close second. There's plenty of hunter's safety shit you could go over before even handing her a gun that can actually fire.

Lucille asked me about an hour ago why an illustration of Ashigaru using matchlocks included strings connecting their hats to the muzzle.

That's not part of the manual. She found that on her own and it was 3-fucking-AM when she asked the question.

She is 16 and is not stupid.

 

[Zachowon]

Start on 556 then. Most common round and can get a cheap AR

 

[Buba]

strings connecting their hats to the muzzle.

Teeeeeel meeeee .... I wanna know too!

 

[BlackDragon98]

plz, start with a .22 LR bolt action or a .410 pump/double.

ancient japanese hand cannons have a tendency to blow up

 

[Zachowon]

Or get a modern replica that works and a kit to build one.

 

[bintananth]

Teeeeeel meeeee .... I wanna know too!

Not quite the same, but close:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Strings_for_night_firing.jpg

plz, start with a .22 LR bolt action or a .410 pump/double.

ancient japanese hand cannons have a tendency to blow up

When the Japanese Warring States period ended they had more then-modern firearms than the English had.

The Japanese have a phenominal ability to take a good idea and run with it.

Or get a modern replica that works and a kit to build one.

Why bother when you've got access to a real thing which has been tried, tested, and is known to be true?

If I were to go that route I'd be worried about "this was made buy the lowest bidders" instead of "this was made170yrs ago by experts who knew what they were doing".

When my great^3 grandfather (Lucille's great^4 grandfather) left Japan in the 1850s a Samurai had permission to kill someone who didn't bow correctly.

 

[Zachowon]

Not quite the same, but close:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Strings_for_night_firing.jpg

When the Japanese Warring States period ended they had more then-modern firearms than the English had.

The Japanese have a phenominal ability to take a good idea and run with it.


Why bother when you've got access to a real thing which has been tried, tested, and is known to be true?

If I were to go that route I'd be worried about "this was made buy the lowest bidders" instead of "this was made170yrs ago by experts who knew what they were doing".

When my great^3 grandfather (Lucille's great^4 grandfather) left Japan in the 1850s a Samurai had permission to kill someone who didn't bow correctly.

When was the gun last fired?
Because guess what.
Even the best made guns from Europe that are newer are still able to have such minor issues that it isn't good.
Get it checked out by a master gunsmith or get a replica that is safer.

Don't risk injuring your daughter

 

[bintananth]

When was the gun last fired?

I've aleady answered that: last Saturday

Because guess what.
Even the best made guns from Europe that are newer are still able to have such minor issues that it isn't good.
Get it checked out by a master gunsmith or get a replica that is safer.

Don't risk injuring your daughter

I'm going to teach her how to safely use a fussy and difficult antique because when her 18th birthday rolls around there isn't a single Goddamn fucking thing I can legally do to prevent her from going off and buying - oh, I don't know - crew served artillery or gods knows what else.

 

[Zachowon]

I've aleady answered that: last Saturday


I'm going to teach her how to safely use a fussy and difficult antique because when her 18th birthday rolls around there isn't a single Goddamn fucking thing I can legally do to prevent her from going off and buying - oh, I don't know - crew served artillery or gods knows what else.

And you want your daughter to have the chance of having part of her face burned or scarred because of it exploding because it had a micro fracture that made it go boom?

Unless you have had a lot of experience in antique arms, don't do this.

We are telling you this for safety reasons.

 

[bintananth]

And you want your daughter to have the chance of having part of her face burned or scarred because of it exploding because it had a micro fracture that made it go boom?

Unless you have had a lot of experience in antique arms, don't do this.

We are telling you this for safety reasons.

It is not going to explode in her face. You would need to use smokeless powder - which I will not buy - or an extremely long list of fuckups to make that happen.

My largest safety concern isn't the gunpowder. It's the fire she could start if she makes a mistake with the match.

Remember, firearms like this one were mass produced for and used by peasants back when answering "Yes" when asked "Can you read and write?" meant you were one of the most highly educated - if not the most educated person - within several miles. Sending a written message to and getting a written reply from someone you couldn't see might have taken weeks or, in some cases, years.

 

[Zachowon]

It is not going to explode in her face. You would need to use smokeless powder - which I will not buy - or an extremely long list of fuckups to make that happen.

My largest safety concern isn't the gunpowder. It's the fire she could start if she makes a mistake with the match.

Remember, firearms like this one were mass produced for and used by peasants back when answering "Yes" when asked "Can you read and write?" meant you were one of the most highly educated - if not the most educated person - within several miles. Sending a written message to and getting a written reply from someone you couldn't see might have taken weeks or, in some cases, years.

What are you planning on using then?

That doesn't answer the question.
Have you had it checked by a gunsmith to make sire there is no minute cracks?

When was the weapon built?
Have you seen it fired personally?
Have you loaded and fired muzzle loaded weapons? Modern ones or kits? How about anything older?

Have you done your research.

 

[bintananth]

@Zachowon

Every question you just asked has already been answered. Lucille and I aren't you. Unlike you, we are not stupid.

I ain't gonna let one of my little girls do something incredibly stupid if it can be avoided. My wife would murder me if I did.

 

[Zachowon]

@Zachowon

Every question you just asked has already been answered. Lucille and I aren't you. Unlike you, we are not stupid.

I ain't gonna let one of my little girls do something incredibly stupid if it can be avoided. My wife would murder me if I did.

Then why are you firing a gun that hasn't been fired in a long time.

And no I jave not seen you say a single one of these things besides vague things like great great great and stuff.
I meet Yeats and dates man.

And I ain't stupid.

 

[bintananth]

Then why are you firing a gun that hasn't been fired in a long time.

And no I jave not seen you say a single one of these things besides vague things like great great great and stuff.
I meet Yeats and dates man.

And I ain't stupid.

Points upthread. It was fired last Saturday.

Reading comprehension and you should go on a first date.

 

[Buba]

Not quite the same, but close:

Night firing strings - my junkpile of a memory dragged opening scenes of Kagemusha movie by Kurosowa.

 

[bintananth]

Night firing strings - my junkpile of a memory dragged opening scenes of Kagemusha movie by Kurosowa.

Haven't seen that one. OTOH I really enjoyed The Seven Samurai.

 

[Buba]

Haven't seen that one. OTOH I really enjoyed The Seven Samurai.

Recommended.
Then again, I haven't seen a Kurosawa movie I didn't like. Not that I've seen that many - half a dozen or so.
"Dey don't make dem like dat any more" applies to his works 100%.

 

[bintananth]

Recommended.
Then again, I haven't seen a Kurosawa movie I didn't like. Not that I've seen that many - half a dozen or so.
"Dey don't make dem like dat any more" applies to his works 100%.

Have you seen The Magnificient Seven?

That's a Western and a blatent rip-off of The Seven Samurai. Star Wars is also blatently stolen from Kurosawa.

(We're getting off-topic)

 

[Buba]

Have you seen The Magnificient Seven?
That's a Western and a blatent rip-off of The Seven Samurai.

I did.
And a poor rip off that ...

Star Wars is also blatently stolen from Kurosawa.

IMO Star Wars is, just like WH40K or ASOAIF etc., a grab bag from everywhere. My first impression, even though I loved SW (sue me, I was a preteen) I deemed it a "western in space". I was unfamiliar with the term "space opera" at that time.

(We're getting off-topic)

Well, Star Wars had those unrealistic blasters making pew-pew sounds in a VACUUM and the C96 was disfigured with a toilet roll cardboard stiffener glued to it ...

Thinking back to those strings - I wonder if the tradition of firing along pre-set lines at night was big in Japanese military culture. Few countries - besides Japan - gave such capability to their LMGs. At least that is the explanation of the "third leg" under the buttstock of the Type 99.

Besides the monopod another quaint feature was that it mount a bayonet ...

 

[bintananth]

I did.
And a poor rip off that ...

IMO Star Wars is, just like WH40K or ASOAIF etc., a grab bag from everywhere. My first impression, even though I loved SW (sue me, I was a preteen) I deemed it a "western in space". I was unfamiliar with the term "space opera" at that time.

Well, Star Wars had those unrealistic blasters making pew-pew sounds in a VACUUM and the C96 was disfigured with a toilet roll cardboard stiffener glued to it ...

Thinking back to those strings - I wonder if the tradition of firing along pre-set lines at night was big in Japanese military culture. Few countries - besides Japan - gave such capability to their LMGs. At least that is the explanation of the "third leg" under the buttstock of the Type 99.

Besides the monopod another quaint feature was that it mount a bayonet ...

Japan completely wasted their best and brightest by going "Bonzai!" and sticking to it.

I'm very glad that my great^3 grandfather basically said "Fuck it, I'm done with this shit." when he left Japan in the 1850s with his sister (said she was his wife, BTW).