Arch Dornan
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I had to see the account that was mentioned and there are already comments being spammed on the existing public video. No doubt his private one has more.
Bidengate in which a meth head son and possible child abuser ruins your political grift
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I had to see the account that was mentioned and there are already comments being spammed on the existing public video. No doubt his private one has more.
Which is sickening. I served with a lot of good men who deserved to get a commission but never got one. And that shitstain gets one handed to him on a Golden Plater. Make me sick.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
Hunter is such a degenerate.Which is sickening. I served with a lot of good men who deserved to get a commission but never got one. And that shitstain gets one handed to him on a Golden Plater. Make me sick.
Arch Dornan
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When you're part of the elite class it's much easier to be one.
KilroywasNOTHere
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he makes people on deviantart look normal.
Arch Dornan
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He's not a zoosadist but that's a high bar to reach on the degeneracy scale.
KilroywasNOTHere
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do I even....?
Arch Dornan
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I just like checking what the kiwis have to say. One time they got disgusted by degenerate furries who carry out physical abuse on animals.
Rape, torture and murder of animals when I read a blog for a summary. One in Cuba of all places got caught.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
There's always a bigger fish......
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
The world's full of surprises if I bother to look. If fantasy existed the sex videos will be even more fucked up.
CarlManvers2019
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I remember that one story about a furry who skinned his own dog for his furry suit
ChackMete
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I... I don't... w-what?? Why would someone do that???
Terthna
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He's a politician; nearly all of them are, especially the ones born to and raised by other politicians. Heck, even among degenerates, people like him, his father, and their friends and family ought to be considered the lowest of the low; because they're not just degenerates, but predators as well.
Arlos
Sad Monarchist
No no, That was a furry couple who killed a guy and his dog because they wanted it’s pelt I think?
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
I hate most politicians, i guess that's why i like Trump so much he's no politician.
CarlManvers2019
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POLICE: 'Furry Couple' Murder Man, Skinned Pet Dog to Make 'Fursuit'
The couple used Craigslist to lure victim with promises of sex
nationalfile.com
I think this was it.
Probably missing some things because well, I'm a depressed person and there were quite a few replies. So summarizing things I'd rather not respond to directly but think is valid.
-"I have issues and blame it on Donald Trump."
I actually blame the media more for it than Trump the person. Basically, I'd say Trump is a master of getting people to be upset and to waste energy as a tactic, and people play into it without any awareness. From the liberal bubble it's been a wave of "the last scandal disappeared because of the new scandal" for about five years.
So honestly the big hope if Trump loses is for my bubble to quiet the fuck down. I don't think that happens in another Trump term.
I was diagnosed with clinical depression before Trump's campaign started, and don't blame him for my general mental health issues. I just want the people I enjoy following to calm down, and that group leans heavily liberal or liberal-adjacent.
So, with the caveat of "not closely" I'd say the following accusations come to light as troubling if true.
-Child pornography/sex with a minor. Just about any version that boils out of this could be really bad. The worst case scenarios would legitimately be grounds for a rapid Biden impeachment in the case of his victory.
-Ties to China. Seem fairly modest this side of QAnon. (If fragments of that are real we're way fucked.) China tried to influence Biden and Biden's family with a few million dollars? Doesn't strike me as surprising or like it has a huge chance of swinging things. I expect Biden to bow to even the slightest pressure to be harsher on China both to dismiss these allegations and because he seems to lack any real convictions on China.
-"Biden crime family." I get the impression that a wide spread web of particularly Biden crime and corruption has very little foundation.
From my place in the bubble, closer to the center left, a Trump victory is taken pretty seriously, especially if it boils down to a long drawn out court battle over mail-in votes or something. I think the polls give Trump bad odds, but not insurmountable ones.
I also expect that in the world where you're right, I won't realize a truly commanding victory was a commanding victory and am likely to be at least half-convinced the Republicans stole the election somehow. That seems like the backup narrative, and even if I am really suspicious of it, hearing something repeated every day by my parasocial relationships with media and celebrities makes it pretty hard to maintain "you're shoveling crap at me."
Like most Americans my trust in the media's also pretty low in general. "The media fucked this one up again, time to only get my news from someone on YouTube called the Feminist Patriot as I still trust them" seems like a more likely fallback than say, becoming a Tucker Carlson fan.
I'm white, love my parents, live in Massachusetts. I think I'm in the 5% most right wing segment of Sufficient Velocity who talks about politics, which I'd probably identify as "center left" rather than full on Social Justice Warrior.
Part of why I even come here is concern over the bubble I was in being too left wing. I have always tried to feed myself differing viewpoints, and this gets harder as the country becomes more polarized.
Alright, let's see if I can go over the basics I didn't cover earlier.
-Mutual radicalization. This one is very much an issue I think both sides are to blame on, but I think Trump has made an issue worse rather than better. In the Obama administration I saw the Republicans getting very mad and mostly dismissed it until Trump showed up. The result of Trump seems to be a fairly symmetrical rise in Democratic anger without any decline in Republican anger. I consider Joe Biden a better candidate for the "let's all calm down" front as his political strategy is different.
Chances of being mistaken: Hard to define. With full time and information I might come to a conclusion like "80% of the problem is cultural shift, 15% of the problem is your own side's fault, 5% is the Republicans" but that's not a really viable way for humans to process information.
-Lack of federal coronavirus coordination. This might be a "grass is greener" issue but the constant issue of dismissing/not wearing masks, insulting those who do holding rallies that ignore social distancing, lack of oversight on preparing for the pandemic, and letting all 50 states decide what to do without central direction to prepare strikes me as the biggest issue. I fully believe a central coordination would've had a lot to criticize, but I do blame the person of Donald Trump for a decent fraction of the coronavirus epidemic.
Chances of this being mistaken: Maybe 30% IMO? I believe any president would be raked over the coals and any president would be perceived as a fuck up, but the Trump administration's handling of things seems worse than I'd expect of either Clinton or Bush, and Obama I'd roll a die on if he'd do better or worse with weight towards Obama doing better but not surprised if Obama had done worse. I think this is a significant value below replacement, and the biggest issue of the day.
-Personal enmity. I've been "baited" and "owned" for the past five years. There are some things I feel my side got wrong (Kavanaugh comes to mind as running off a cliff like lemmings) but the strategy seems pretty clearly "do something controversial, get the liberals to overreact" and I really hate being in the middle of a stampeding herd. "Very fine people on both sides" Unite the Right rally, the postal service crisis, dismissing Inspectors General for whistle-blowing, and the significant use of public resources for housing people at businesses associated with him are a sample of the more memorable and legitimate events that I think deserved criticism, which makes it relatively hard for me to "switch sides" and take the approach that being pissed off at Trump in general is wrong.
This ties in with all of the minor criticisms that might not be deal breakers for a candidate, but are worrying if true. The opaque financials of Trump's businesses, the domestic violence allegations, and his personally screwing over small business owners by fighting them over payment are two of the bigger ones that make me feel he's an asshole, but wouldn't change my general reasoning if Biden did all that and worse or if Trump was proven entirely clean of them because I'm not really voting on personal morality.
Chances of being mistaken: On a specific issue? That's fucking easy. On "Donald Trump exhausts and confuses his political enemies by playing the media?" Um, that one is something Republicans usually like about him.
-The apparent coziness with authoritarians. This is one of the ones I'm least confident about as it seems the easiest for a hostile media to confuse, but what filters through still seems quite unsettling. Trump seems to have a very "if they treat me well they're good" take on other countries as opposed to the more traditional "rules based" approach. He seems to also quite like militants on his own side instead of trying to shut them down. It seems he's very easy to flatter and distract.
Chances of being wrong: I'd only rate this one at 60% confidence, because it's the part that seems easiest to misrepresent and it is highly valuable to do so, but if it was disproved I'd feel somewhat more at ease.
Round two, things I think Trump did okay on:
-Foreign policy seems to have been sensible, if full of missed opportunities that are easy to criticize from an armchair. Obama was a hell of a lot more popular, and I expect Clinton and Biden would be more popular than Trump in the future/timeline where they're replacing him, but it's hard to tell how much of this is the American media machine's products being eaten up internationally.
-I don't think Obama or Trump had much to do with the economic boom years. Presidents get a ton of credit and blame for the economy when they are not economists and mostly outsource what needs to be done. Trump seems mildly better for regulatory burden and encouraging fracking, which IMO outweighs the EPA concerns which I expect would be happening no matter what policy was being done.
Like, those are two pretty decent check marks, but overall not close to enough to make me think the contest is fair. I expect coronavirus to be handled better under Biden, for Biden to be better than Trump or Obama on cooling the Culture War, and Biden to be maybe a little crappier at the economy and foreign policy. Those seem like pretty objective metrics for "I'd rather Biden win" even if they're heavily colored by more base instincts.
-"I have issues and blame it on Donald Trump."
I actually blame the media more for it than Trump the person. Basically, I'd say Trump is a master of getting people to be upset and to waste energy as a tactic, and people play into it without any awareness. From the liberal bubble it's been a wave of "the last scandal disappeared because of the new scandal" for about five years.
So honestly the big hope if Trump loses is for my bubble to quiet the fuck down. I don't think that happens in another Trump term.
I was diagnosed with clinical depression before Trump's campaign started, and don't blame him for my general mental health issues. I just want the people I enjoy following to calm down, and that group leans heavily liberal or liberal-adjacent.
So, with the caveat of "not closely" I'd say the following accusations come to light as troubling if true.
-Child pornography/sex with a minor. Just about any version that boils out of this could be really bad. The worst case scenarios would legitimately be grounds for a rapid Biden impeachment in the case of his victory.
-Ties to China. Seem fairly modest this side of QAnon. (If fragments of that are real we're way fucked.) China tried to influence Biden and Biden's family with a few million dollars? Doesn't strike me as surprising or like it has a huge chance of swinging things. I expect Biden to bow to even the slightest pressure to be harsher on China both to dismiss these allegations and because he seems to lack any real convictions on China.
-"Biden crime family." I get the impression that a wide spread web of particularly Biden crime and corruption has very little foundation.
From my place in the bubble, closer to the center left, a Trump victory is taken pretty seriously, especially if it boils down to a long drawn out court battle over mail-in votes or something. I think the polls give Trump bad odds, but not insurmountable ones.
I also expect that in the world where you're right, I won't realize a truly commanding victory was a commanding victory and am likely to be at least half-convinced the Republicans stole the election somehow. That seems like the backup narrative, and even if I am really suspicious of it, hearing something repeated every day by my parasocial relationships with media and celebrities makes it pretty hard to maintain "you're shoveling crap at me."
Like most Americans my trust in the media's also pretty low in general. "The media fucked this one up again, time to only get my news from someone on YouTube called the Feminist Patriot as I still trust them" seems like a more likely fallback than say, becoming a Tucker Carlson fan.
I'm white, love my parents, live in Massachusetts. I think I'm in the 5% most right wing segment of Sufficient Velocity who talks about politics, which I'd probably identify as "center left" rather than full on Social Justice Warrior.
Part of why I even come here is concern over the bubble I was in being too left wing. I have always tried to feed myself differing viewpoints, and this gets harder as the country becomes more polarized.
Alright, let's see if I can go over the basics I didn't cover earlier.
-Mutual radicalization. This one is very much an issue I think both sides are to blame on, but I think Trump has made an issue worse rather than better. In the Obama administration I saw the Republicans getting very mad and mostly dismissed it until Trump showed up. The result of Trump seems to be a fairly symmetrical rise in Democratic anger without any decline in Republican anger. I consider Joe Biden a better candidate for the "let's all calm down" front as his political strategy is different.
Chances of being mistaken: Hard to define. With full time and information I might come to a conclusion like "80% of the problem is cultural shift, 15% of the problem is your own side's fault, 5% is the Republicans" but that's not a really viable way for humans to process information.
-Lack of federal coronavirus coordination. This might be a "grass is greener" issue but the constant issue of dismissing/not wearing masks, insulting those who do holding rallies that ignore social distancing, lack of oversight on preparing for the pandemic, and letting all 50 states decide what to do without central direction to prepare strikes me as the biggest issue. I fully believe a central coordination would've had a lot to criticize, but I do blame the person of Donald Trump for a decent fraction of the coronavirus epidemic.
Chances of this being mistaken: Maybe 30% IMO? I believe any president would be raked over the coals and any president would be perceived as a fuck up, but the Trump administration's handling of things seems worse than I'd expect of either Clinton or Bush, and Obama I'd roll a die on if he'd do better or worse with weight towards Obama doing better but not surprised if Obama had done worse. I think this is a significant value below replacement, and the biggest issue of the day.
-Personal enmity. I've been "baited" and "owned" for the past five years. There are some things I feel my side got wrong (Kavanaugh comes to mind as running off a cliff like lemmings) but the strategy seems pretty clearly "do something controversial, get the liberals to overreact" and I really hate being in the middle of a stampeding herd. "Very fine people on both sides" Unite the Right rally, the postal service crisis, dismissing Inspectors General for whistle-blowing, and the significant use of public resources for housing people at businesses associated with him are a sample of the more memorable and legitimate events that I think deserved criticism, which makes it relatively hard for me to "switch sides" and take the approach that being pissed off at Trump in general is wrong.
This ties in with all of the minor criticisms that might not be deal breakers for a candidate, but are worrying if true. The opaque financials of Trump's businesses, the domestic violence allegations, and his personally screwing over small business owners by fighting them over payment are two of the bigger ones that make me feel he's an asshole, but wouldn't change my general reasoning if Biden did all that and worse or if Trump was proven entirely clean of them because I'm not really voting on personal morality.
Chances of being mistaken: On a specific issue? That's fucking easy. On "Donald Trump exhausts and confuses his political enemies by playing the media?" Um, that one is something Republicans usually like about him.
-The apparent coziness with authoritarians. This is one of the ones I'm least confident about as it seems the easiest for a hostile media to confuse, but what filters through still seems quite unsettling. Trump seems to have a very "if they treat me well they're good" take on other countries as opposed to the more traditional "rules based" approach. He seems to also quite like militants on his own side instead of trying to shut them down. It seems he's very easy to flatter and distract.
Chances of being wrong: I'd only rate this one at 60% confidence, because it's the part that seems easiest to misrepresent and it is highly valuable to do so, but if it was disproved I'd feel somewhat more at ease.
Round two, things I think Trump did okay on:
-Foreign policy seems to have been sensible, if full of missed opportunities that are easy to criticize from an armchair. Obama was a hell of a lot more popular, and I expect Clinton and Biden would be more popular than Trump in the future/timeline where they're replacing him, but it's hard to tell how much of this is the American media machine's products being eaten up internationally.
-I don't think Obama or Trump had much to do with the economic boom years. Presidents get a ton of credit and blame for the economy when they are not economists and mostly outsource what needs to be done. Trump seems mildly better for regulatory burden and encouraging fracking, which IMO outweighs the EPA concerns which I expect would be happening no matter what policy was being done.
Like, those are two pretty decent check marks, but overall not close to enough to make me think the contest is fair. I expect coronavirus to be handled better under Biden, for Biden to be better than Trump or Obama on cooling the Culture War, and Biden to be maybe a little crappier at the economy and foreign policy. Those seem like pretty objective metrics for "I'd rather Biden win" even if they're heavily colored by more base instincts.
Ok, I am going to say as someone who grew up in a Hard-D household, you have blinders on and don't really realize it.
I get it, I really do.
If in 2013/2014 you'd have told me Trump was going to be POTUS and I would be glad for it and support him, I would have called you nuts.
But I ended up becoming friends with people who slowly pried those blinders off, by showing me sources outside the mainstream, and by destroying Dem narratives with facts and figures the media will not show or represent honestly.
I think part of what you are talking about is simply...you want pre-Trump 'normalcy' back, and you want your social circle to calm the hell down. This, frankly, speaks more to you as a person than to Trump as POTUS. I know what SV is like, I was there for a while before I was banned, and I can say that site is a Far-Left bubble par-excellence.
You cite things that, quite simply, are mostly not true or are media manipulations of events. Being mostly on SV and part of that bubble, you would not have seen contradicting info much, and Squishy would suppress that sort of stuff outright in many cases. You also come from a rather Hard-D area of the country from my knowledge of it, so you would not have been exposed to info/facts that counter the mainstream/Dem narrative much.
I will say the fact you are willing to come here and have this sort of discussion does show you have a more open mind than many in the Dems/on the Far-Left these days.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
I wonder if the drive got fucked with when it went missing.
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