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So recently I have come across a breaking news article of an incident which I think highly demon straights why fed posting in general is a bad idea.

For newbies who don't know what 'Fedposting' is it is defined as.
"Fedposting" is a term used on social media to describe when someone is deliberately posting inflammatory or provocative content in order to get a rise out of people. The goal is usually to get a reaction out of as many people as possible, often for the amusement of the person doing the fedposting.

Now there are a lot of arguments in this day and age about the nature of free speech and if it truly ever is free and how far that freedom can go before going too far and becoming unreasonable, my point isn't to take sides in this but to point out the sometimes severe consequences that can result by those who overstep the definitions of the powers that be.

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Who was Craig Robertson? What we know about the armed Trump supporter shot dead in Utah FBI raid

'Remember Waco and Ruby Ridge': Man killed by FBI for making Biden death threat memes already a far-right rallying cry

Now to point out obvious, we don't have all details on how this shooting went down yet or who shot first, but I think I need to say this is a cautionary tale of how regardless of how we think the world should be or how laws are defined we aren't the ones who decide how they are enforced nor are we the enforcers.

This guy was an overweight 75-year-old walking around with a cane, I don't think he was really planning on doing anything to Biden and most likely was just blustering edginess online, but at the same time I also can't say he wasn't extremely reckless in his online posting behavior the entire ordeal could have been avoided had he dialed back on his tendency to post explicitly about violence.

Now that isn't to absolve the FBI in this situation hell to the no! But I do believe they had under present law the right to at least look into Robertson given how violent some of his posts were. That being said the entire way they went about looking into it was stupidity at its finest and I can name numerous ways it went wrong.

To begin with storming the house with an armed SWAT team should have never happened and is criminally negligent conduct at best, Robertson was known to be armed and known to be rightfully paranoid about government agents coming to arrest him, the SWAT team also knew that which probably also put them on edge which exacerbated the possibility for a flashpoint incident to happen during the search.

If they were so insistent on searching his residents, they should have waited until he left to go out somewhere or alternatively just called him to the local police station to answer some questions for them and done the same or just have two sheriff's deputies knock on his door and arrest him an army wasn't needed!

And that's not even the third option of just keeping tabs on the guy by just tailing him while Biden is nearby on his trip.

In any case, I think this is a lesson we should all take to heart as a cautionary tale, always watch what you post online and be careful when you vent! We all say things at times we don't really mean when we get angry over something we are deeply passionate about, but the brief rush isn't worth dying for nor is it worth potentially putting other people or institutions in harm's way by association.
 
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Captain X

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I'm pretty sure they just murdered that guy and are just claiming he was armed at the time. If he has guns in the home, they can probably claim they are "technically correct" that he was "armed." I doubt we'll ever actually know what happened since we're only ever going to get the FBI's story. It would be interesting if an outcome of this is that Utah passes a law that essentially criminalizes the FBI like another state (Idaho?) did recently.
 

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I'm pretty sure they just murdered that guy and are just claiming he was armed at the time. If he has guns in the home, they can probably claim they are "technically correct" that he was "armed." I doubt we'll ever actually know what happened since we're only ever going to get the FBI's story. It would be interesting if an outcome of this is that Utah passes a law that essentially criminalizes the FBI like another state (Idaho?) did recently.
If they raided with a no knock warrant, I do believe he could have pulled a gun out.

Either way, I don't care if he did or not. This didn't deserve a raid. Maybe a visit from a few dudes in suits.

But now they're just going out and murdering people who get carried away online.
 
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Zyobot

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It's sick, the way they choose to make examples of weak old men, while letting active young terrorists run free.

Just wait until Red States send their own raids after the Antifa goofies.

While I've no doubt Blue States will ignore them and go after the "easy prey" instead, I'm equally sure that retaliation is coming in places where the GOP is firmly in power.


I'm pretty sure they just murdered that guy and are just claiming he was armed at the time. If he has guns in the home, they can probably claim they are "technically correct" that he was "armed." I doubt we'll ever actually know what happened since we're only ever going to get the FBI's story. It would be interesting if an outcome of this is that Utah passes a law that essentially criminalizes the FBI like another state (Idaho?) did recently.

Recall a tweet purporting that Idaho was thinking of banning the FBI for sure. No idea how far they've taken it, though, much less whether it'd actually be effective at screening out (and punishing) disguised FBI agents who disobey state law.

In fact, I can easily imagine precedent being set to extend the ban to other federal agencies, as well as to nullify a host of federal rulings in general. For one, I doubt they like the ATF or DOJ any better than the FBI lately, so it'd make sense for those to be next on their ban list.
 
They have all the resources and energy to track down and kill people who post this stuff online, and yet, for some reason, the guy who shot up the congressional baseball game still isn't considered political terrorism, last I checked.

So, that's where we're at, already. Good to know.
 

Circle of Willis

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>be a random old man
>aggressively shitpost on Facebook
>get raided and shot by the FBI

Also around this same time:

>be Antifa
>publicly film yourself & your friends attacking & badly injuring a journalist
>get charged
>incite jury intimidation
>found not guilty

Interesting. Hey BTW, remember back when big names in Hollywood & the comic book industry made literal Bush assassination fanfiction while he was still a sitting President, and then not only didn't get raided and arrested/shot but got to entirely peacefully make money off of it? Or Kathy Griffin holding up a mock bloody Trump head and also didn't get ventilated?
 

Cherico

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>be a random old man
>aggressively shitpost on Facebook
>get raided and shot by the FBI

Also around this same time:

>be Antifa
>publicly film yourself & your friends attacking & badly injuring a journalist
>get charged
>incite jury intimidation
>found not guilty

Interesting. Hey BTW, remember back when big names in Hollywood & the comic book industry made literal Bush assassination fanfiction while he was still a sitting President, and then not only didn't get raided and arrested/shot but got to entirely peacefully make money off of it? Or Kathy Griffin holding up a mock bloody Trump head and also didn't get ventilated?

Double standards like that do not last forever, they can last a long time but its a quick way to make enemies who no longer give a shit what you think of them.
 

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