Alternate History Ideas and Discussion

[Zyobot]

‘What If The Warp Was Real?’.

As in, the psychic dimension from WH40K, formed out of the collective thoughts, beliefs, and emotions of sentient beings — giving rise to gods, their minions, and psychic powers that gifted mortals can tap into. Moreover, let’s also assume that interactions between Warp entities and Realspace happen regularly throughout human history, but are (presumably) less prone to going horribly awry than in actual 40K, per the the Warp being far more peaceful and less crowded with demonic entities who’ll tear you apart and make your soul their tormented plaything for all eternity.

 

[ATP]

‘What If The Warp Was Real?’.

As in, the psychic dimension from WH40K, formed out of the collective thoughts, beliefs, and emotions of sentient beings — giving rise to gods, their minions, and psychic powers that gifted mortals can tap into. Moreover, let’s also assume that interactions between Warp entities and Realspace happen regularly throughout human history, but are (presumably) less prone to going horribly awry than in actual 40K, per the the Warp being far more peaceful and less crowded with demonic entities who’ll tear you apart and make your soul their tormented plaything for all eternity.

Every planet had its own spirit which cared about inhabitants.Which almost all was eaten by Chaos.
The same about every species gods/not only Eldars/

In case of Eath,we would have Gaia and all pantheons which ever existed/at least those who still have followers/

 

[Zyobot]

Every planet had its own spirit which cared about inhabitants.Which almost all was eaten by Chaos.
The same about every species gods/not only Eldars/

In case of Eath,we would have Gaia and all pantheons which ever existed/at least those who still have followers/

Well, since Warp power is fueled by belief, I’m guessing the Abrahamic God would be the strongest of all time. After all, the Abrahamic faiths are the most collectively widespread in history, with Christianity and Islam being global success stories.

Of course, that makes me wonder if the likes of Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed would be the “Three Emperors”, in the sense of all being mighty and divinely empowered Psykers who represent Judaism, Christianity, and Islam respectively?

 

[ATP]

Well, since Warp power is fueled by belief, I’m guessing the Abrahamic God would be the strongest of all time. After all, the Abrahamic faiths are the most collectively widespread in history, with Christianity and Islam being global success stories.

Of course, that makes me wonder if the likes of Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed would be the “Three Emperors”, in the sense of all being mighty and divinely empowered Psykers who represent Judaism, Christianity, and Islam respectively?

Which Machomet and which Jesus? becouse it differ in every kind of islam/Chrystianity.
We could even have various Moses.becouse jews are divided,too.

The same going for Saints - Saint George from England would differ from georgian ,romanian,polish or russian version.

 

[Buba]

Which Machomet and which Jesus? becouse it differ in every kind of islam/Chrystianity.
We could even have various Moses.becouse jews are divided,too.

There is only one manner to clarify things - FIGHT!
In the left corner Blue Pants Jesus, and in the right corner Red Pants Jesus!

 

[Skallagrim]

‘What If The Warp Was Real?’.

As in, the psychic dimension from WH40K, formed out of the collective thoughts, beliefs, and emotions of sentient beings — giving rise to gods, their minions, and psychic powers that gifted mortals can tap into. Moreover, let’s also assume that interactions between Warp entities and Realspace happen regularly throughout human history, but are (presumably) less prone to going horribly awry than in actual 40K, per the the Warp being far more peaceful and less crowded with demonic entities who’ll tear you apart and make your soul their tormented plaything for all eternity.

Well, this is generally speaking just 40K canon, isn't it? The only qualification is that while interactions between Warp entities and realspace are assumed to have happened regularly throughout human history, the thing is that in most cases of actual consequence, it simply didn't end well for the human(s) involved. It's supposed to have informed myths and legends of various sorts, and the conception of magic. Indeed, 40K is to some extent a "hidden history" (rather than an alternate one), in which ancient shamans could knowingly inter-act with the Immaterium. (Which was much calmer then, compared to now, and is still much calmer now, compared to the millennia closer to the actual setting.)

Assuming this as an alternate history, it would be much like our own through the present, and we'd only see meaningful divergences millennia down the line. After all, 40K takes a -- very realistic, in my opinion -- approach to future history, projecting things will go slowly, with lots of mistakes. So instead "space civilisation by 2200!!!", you see that human colonisation of other star systems only begins (very tentatively) in the period leading up the fifteenth millennium, and then gets going more impactfully, but still by sub-light means. Only in the 18th millennium (fifteen thousand years from now) is the Gellar Field invented, thus making travel via the Warp a possibility.

So what if the Warp was real? We'd really start to notice the reality of the situation many millenia from now, and for the time being it makes no meaningful difference at all.

 

[Zyobot]

Well, this is generally speaking just 40K canon, isn't it? The only qualification is that while interactions between Warp entities and realspace are assumed to have happened regularly throughout human history, the thing is that in most cases of actual consequence, it simply didn't end well for the human(s) involved. It's supposed to have informed myths and legends of various sorts, and the conception of magic. Indeed, 40K is to some extent a "hidden history" (rather than an alternate one), in which ancient shamans could knowingly inter-act with the Immaterium. (Which was much calmer then, compared to now, and is still much calmer now, compared to the millennia closer to the actual setting.)

Assuming this as an alternate history, it would be much like our own through the present, and we'd only see meaningful divergences millennia down the line. After all, 40K takes a -- very realistic, in my opinion -- approach to future history, projecting things will go slowly, with lots of mistakes. So instead "space civilisation by 2200!!!", you see that human colonisation of other star systems only begins (very tentatively) in the period leading up the fifteenth millennium, and then gets going more impactfully, but still by sub-light means. Only in the 18th millennium (fifteen thousand years from now) is the Gellar Field invented, thus making travel via the Warp a possibility.

So what if the Warp was real? We'd really start to notice the reality of the situation many millenia from now, and for the time being it makes no meaningful difference at all.

Eh, that's true.

Guess I was a bit "sloppy" when explaining the terms of my POD and meant to say that mankind has about as much meaningful interaction with the Warp throughout all of history as it does in 40K's time, rather than really getting going tens of thousands of years later.

Make cross-interaction frequent enough for the general public to be well aware the Warp exists and that it's up to its rafters in all sorts of supernatural entities who wield a plethora of bizarre powers, is what I'm saying — kind of like how the average galactic citizen is vaguely aware of the Force in Star Wars, but with no room for the kind of doubt Han Solo and others like him expressed initially.

 

[ATP]

There is only one manner to clarify things - FIGHT!
In the left corner Blue Pants Jesus, and in the right corner Red Pants Jesus!

You knew,that in that cases you need more corners.Becouse protestant alone could produce few ,not mention catholics or orthodox.

 

[Buba]

You knew,that in that cases you need more corners.Becouse protestant alone could produce few ,not mention catholics or orthodox.

Rainbow Pants Jesus versus Black-White Stripes Pants Jesus is the next bout ...

 

[DarthOne]

One of the early coup plans against Hitler goes through successfully. European crisis averted, Britain can turn its full attention to making sure that Japan (now also short on allies) stays in its lane. Germany is not humbled, and the new regime is still fairly right-wing militarist, but in a more general "fuck you, commies!" sort of way. So Stalin is still hesitant about just starting an invasion of Europe.

This leaves FDR without any prospects for a war. His economic designs are actually shit, and most other nations now pull out of the Depression faster than the USA does. FDR makes the mistake of doubling down on his New Deal, including some FDR-typical forms of freedom-curtailing and citizen-harming. It doesn't go over very well at all, and come 1940, the Democrats lose in a landslide to the right-wingest of Republican challengers. Like, Bob Taft or something.

Who promptly dismantles the entire new deal, brings the government and the economy back to the Coolidge years, and actually books a massive economic miracle in doing so. (Comparable to the Wirtschaftswunder in OTL post-war Germany, under Ludwig Erhard.)

Taft's small-government policies become seen as America's salvation, even as FDR's big-government intervention is decried as having been a doomed plan that almost relegated America to the status of a failed economy. As tensions rise between the West and the USSR, the USA's commitment to small government and the truly free market becomes a central point of national identity and pride. Not just via lip service (as in OTL), but in actual fact! Many an alternate history is written that is based on the premise of FDR turning the USA communist, and this perception becomes broadly accepted as accurate. (Although it's not actually true.)

Due to this, FDR consistently ranks as one of the "bad presidents" that most people consider to have been failures.

(Looks at my Alternate Resistance Fall of Man Timeline where the Central Powers win WW1, thus creating a more militarized Europe)

You know, I was wondering what I would do with FDR…

 

[Zyobot]

‘H.P. Lovecraft Lives Longer’.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

PC: Soccer becomes more popular in the US

Given that historically, the US did see soccer as something that's associated with the immigrant community, it wasn't surprising that they neglected it in favor of American football, baseball, and basketball. It was not until the 1990s when the US finally qualified for the tournament in Italy that soccer would become popular again, plus there was the NASL that first existed until 1984, and it revived once again until it folded in 2017.

How do you make the United States a major soccer giant on the level of say, Argentina and England?

 

[Buba]

PC: Soccer becomes more popular in the US

In similar threads on AH-COM the most popular suggestion is that around the reign of Roosevelt the Elder handegg is banned for being too violent and football fills the void.
Although I'd love to see rugby league as contender ...
No WWI and longer mass immigration from Europe may have produced the specified effect too.

BTW - you are missing USA participation in the 1930 (3rd!) and 1934 World Cups.

 

[ATP]

(Looks at my Alternate Resistance Fall of Man Timeline where the Central Powers win WW1, thus creating a more militarized Europe)

You know, I was wondering what I would do with FDR…

Europe united by germans? made FDR support commies and at least try to turn USA into soviets.
I once read story when Russia win WW1 and become economic superpower,when USA becomed soviet hellhole.Forget title,as usual.

‘H.P. Lovecraft Lives Longer’.

Cuthulu awoken and become USA president instead of Biden.USA rule world again!

 

[Zyobot]

Europe united by germans? made FDR support c
Cuthulu awoken and become USA president instead of Biden.USA rule world again!

Cthulhu fhtagn, y’all!

 

[Batrix2070]

The Holy Empire of the Labians or the Elbe Slavs conquer the Germans and Slavicization them.

Does anyone have an idea how to achieve this?

Historically, the Elbe Slavs, placed between Poland and Germany, were the arena of clashes between their neighbors from which the Germans ultimately emerged victorious, conquering and Germanizing the lands up to the Oder River.
How to make the "Labians" (literally Elbians) kept their independence as well as conquered the Germans?

 

[Buba]

How to make the "Labians" (literally Elbians) kept their independence as well as conquered the Germans?

Tough call
For this you need quite a few brilliant, ruthless and very LUCKY rulers. Preferably back to back, for several generations ...
I'd start with the Franks failing to conquer Saxony. Followed by the Franks dividing their empire sooner and/or into smaller bits. Hence no Frankish/Saxon*/German steamroller, but weaker, divided neighbours to the west.
Then the Hungarians - can be Bulgars or Pechengs, any sort of steppe nation will do - set up shop not in Pannonia, but along the upper Danube in what today is Bavaria. They wreck the entire neighbourhood weakening everybody, causing westward flight of people and institutions, for two or three generations, before being wiped out, conquered or assimilated.
To this add Viking raids from the north and the Polabian encroachment.
This sets the stage for westward expansion of the united Polabians in the early Xth century.

* in OTL it were the Saxon lords - part of the Western Frank state, evolving into "Germany" - who conquered Lusatia and Polabia. In the former case this led to the name transfer, i.e. Lusatia being known as "Saxony" today while the original Saxony is called LOWER Saxony.

 

[Buba]

BTW - I appologise for using the term Polabian, as it is too narrow and limiting (Slavic tribes from today's Meklemburg and Brandenburg, basically).
Elbian Slavs - Polabians. Lusatians AND proto-Czechs - that'd would be needed for an "empire", I'd venture

 

[TheRejectionist]

Small idea I had that I might make in the future, honestly making this alternate history is already a complicated mess. I think once I put an end to it this timeline would be the last timeline I make after Roter Rhein.
Stalin’s twenty-sixth year of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republican Union was proceeding smoothly despite the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union mumbling to himself overthinking about his ongoing putsch against Tito. When Beria reported that the Yugoslav Chief of the General Staff with Colonel General Arso Jovanović, Major General Branko Petričević Kadja and Colonel Vladimir Dapčević had succeeded in removing and killing Tito, the Red Tsar called a meeting to celebrate , officially at least , the centralization of the RSFSRU, but in reality it was for the successful regime change. However, to mantain further secrecy, the first part of the meeting was dedicated to the commeration of the centralization, when Lenin "caved in" to Stalin's proposal of an united Russo-centric federation of "equals", but it did not take long for the subject to be changed into a discussion on the coup in Yugoslavia. Stalin said that, in hindsight, it was a bad idea to give Tito's Yugoslavia the go-ahead to merge Albania and Bulgaria into his country since he almost led Moscow and the rest of the liberated people's republic into a war with the West, who was more than happy to extend the Free Territory of Trieste to include Fiume, the whole Dalmatia and the Yugoslav Adriatic Islands after the brief border conflict he caused because he had decided to shoot down an United States plane.

Same timeline :

1. There is only one SSR in the USSR, proposed by Stalin in the 1920 to Lenin but rejected s; it is a centralized and even more Russified Soviet Union
2. Stalin accepted Tito's ideas of unifying Bulgaria and Albania into Yugoslavia
3. Tito also provoked the West by shooting the planes down and the Trieste Free Zone was expanded
4. Leads to a successful coup against Tito
5. Also Germany unifies after Truman accepts the Stalin Note

Other things not present here

1. An indepedent Bengal from the get go in 1948
2. Pakistan loosing ALL of Kashmir
3. Pakistan and Afghanistan unifying in the 1950s
4. South Korea winning the Korean War
5. PRC China loosing the Indo-chinese War
6. Maybe a successful Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia?
7. Syria unifying with Iraq, Jordan
8. Saddam controls this Syria
9. Saddam still goes to war against Iran BUT looses, getting Syria puppeted by Iran
10. Soviet winning the Afghan war
11. Afghan War, while short and successful, doesn't prevent the "fall"
12. Enter the end of the century an even bigger Russia

 

[Batrix2070]

BTW - I appologise for using the term Polabian, as it is too narrow and limiting (Slavic tribes from today's Meklemburg and Brandenburg, basically).
Elbian Slavs - Polabians. Lusatians AND proto-Czechs - that'd would be needed for an "empire", I'd venture

That's why I came up with Labians (Łabian, Elbians in English) meaning the Polabians and Sorbs being the basis for a new Slavic nation replacing the Germans.
Czechs can always be added, yes, however, but I was more concerned with just the Sorbs and the Polabians.