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Battlegrinder

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Brain damaged,

In the same way that, say, Professor X is crippled. Yes, it's technically true but it's not actually an issue that stops them from doing thier job.

will literally disobey orders and bicker with her superiors even when they've given their final word.

I'm pretty sure everyone in Starfleet has done that.

Her literal only upside is that she's hot, and thats the part you want to remove.

I'd think something like being incredibly intelligent and having the collective knowledge of the Borg at her fingertips would be the primary upside.
 
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Err... you misread what "Relics" was having Scotty say in those scenes then. Safety regulations for engineering, even in REAL LIFE, are engineered to be considerable more stringent than what the actual safe point is which is ALSO considerable different from the failure point. He didn't write the book to look like a miracle worker, he wrote the book to ensure maximum safety for all parties. Good engineers know the tolerances and how much they could be pushed and can know when it's worth going past the normal "Safe" threshold. Further, he never claimed to write the safety book to look like a Miracle Worker, he just was conservative in his estimates there (which, again, is normal in engineering, always be more conservative where safety is concerned, while knowing you can push past them if absolutely necessary).

What he said he did to look like a "Miracle Worker" was pad his time estimates for work to be done. If he thought a repair would take five minutes, he'd double it to ten. If it would take a day, he'd add another day or two. This might seem dishonest at first, but it's actually a very normal thing in business and services when giving time estimates to customers. There's a twofold reason for this, the first is, of course, reputational, getting work done faster than your time estimate for it looks good. However there's a second, much more important reason for it: you don't know if anything else could go wrong or interfere. By saying something will take longer than you think it will, if an unforeseen problem comes up that you did not anticipate, you can deal with that and STILL finish your original goal within your time estimate. This is part of time management 101: always give yourself more time to accomplish something than you think it will.

In other words, Scotty shows himself as both a better engineer (by knowing the tolerances beyond simple by the book, while also being conservative in what he put IN the book to idiot proof the regs) and better manager (by practicing good time management skills) than LaForge just in that episode alone.

Otherwise, fair points, esp. on the Security choice (had I not put Tuvok for Tactical, I probably would have put him as Security for much the same reasons you did).

Never going to agree on Picard though...

Absolutely true. I regularly pad estimates for work, usually by at least 33pct, because of the unknowables and complications and ridiculous things which will interfere. Even Thomas Andrews on the Titanic probably reduced his estimate of how long the ship would survive to emphasize the importance of evacuating quickly.
 

Shipmaster Sane

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In the same way that, say, Professor X is crippled. Yes, it's technically true but it's not actually an issue that stops them from doing thier job.



I'm pretty sure everyone in Starfleet has done that.



I'd think something like being incredibly intelligent and having the collective knowledge of the Borg at her fingertips would be the primary upside.
Yes, 7\9's brain is crippled in the same way Professor X's legs are crippled.

Her titties and magical blood are like the telepathy, in that comparison.
 

Husky_Khan

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Guys please stop with the back and forth on Seven of Nine. It's getting repetitive and stale and derailing. :(

Did you have an All Star Crew roster @Shipmaster Sane ?
 

commanderkai

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Captain: James T. Kirk

Although Sisko is my favorite captain in Star Trek, I personally don't see him as a good fit for the whole "Explore New Worlds" aspect of Star Trek. So I was torn between Kirk and Picard. Janeway was out of the running for her numerous, questionable diplomacy while in the Delta Quadrant, and Archer condemned a species to a slow death because Darwinism or something.

I decided with Kirk since he can represent the values of the Federation, while also being willing to take action against dangerous threats.

First Officer: Spock

Spock is a good match for Kirk, able to put a more logical and level-headed approach against Kirk's more brash or emotional nature. Plus, and as a running theme for a lot of my choices, has a diverse skillset that can also apply for sciences or other elements.

Chief Engineer: Miles O'Brien

A very competent engineer, who knows how to work with others. (Sorry Torres, your petty fights with that Starfleet engineer early in the series soured me). He's able to help command officers get the best of the engineers and other staff under his command (as seen in "Starship Down".

As a bonus, he's a good soldier/combat engineer as well.

Science Officer: 7 of 9

A bit arrogant, but her skills and knowledge are invaluable. Plus, having a crew member that is former Borg can help show other species that the Federation has both suffered from the Borg, but also has the technology to reverse assimilation. Lastly, Borg nano-probes are hilariously powerful/useful.

Tactical Officer: Worf

Tougher one here. Both Reed and Tuvok are both competent and professional.

Worf, however, allows for another alien voice to be represented, and shows how even those with differing cultural backgrounds can still adapt in the Federation. Plus, Worf is a competent soldier and isn't afraid to express his concerns to his superior officers.

Communications Officer: Hoshi

It's either Hoshi or Uhura, and Hoshi has a far greater skillset with languages and such. Pretty clear cut here.

Security Officer: Odo

There are strong choices here, but Worf already has Tactical. Tuvok and Reed are good choices, but Odo has some rather unique abilities that help him with his investigations. Even when he loses his powers, he is able to identify Martok as the changeling infiltration in the Klingon government. I doubt he'd have issues adapting to security on a spaceship, considering how he handled DS9.

Operations Officer: Data

We have Kim, Nog, and Data. Although Nog is a favorite character of mine, and would add another, diverse voice to the crew, I find Data has a strong variety of talents and strengths that overcome the other two. I like Kim, but he was the buttmonkey of Voyager. He'd be good to have around for him to nearly die, only to survive due to some miracle (called plot armor)

Doctor: Dr. Julian Bashir

An excellent doctor, and also an effective researcher. His genetically enhanced abilities allow for him to be useful in a variety of tasks and skills that McCoy/Crusher could not do. The EMH is also a good choice, especially for the mobile emitter...but Bashir has an additional advantage

Bashir's interactions with Section 31 makes him a valuable asset. He's able to notice details and uncover plots (Admiral Ross and his under the table deal with Section 31 over getting a plant into the Romulan leadership) but also can initiate his own schemes as needed.

Helm/Conn: Lt. Thomas Paris

Paris is competent at just about everything he is tasked to do. Good field medic/nurse. Good shuttle engineer, etc. The other options don't stand out.

Morale Officer/Counselor/Bartender: Vic Fontane

Gotta love me some 50s music.

Replaceable Ensign: Ensign Tilly

Worked in Discovery somewhere. No idea if she'd really work here, but she's an ensign, and I'm not 100% sure what the fuck she does on Discovery, outside of helping others do things as needed.
 

commanderkai

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Ah yes, unlike... Picard?

Picard took actions I have issues with, like how he wouldn't neutralize the threat of the Crystalline Entity, even though it had a history of attacking civilian colonies/ships.

Plus any TNG episode with the Prime Directive has a tendency to annoy me.
 

Shipmaster Sane

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Picard took actions I have issues with, like how he wouldn't neutralize the threat of the Crystalline Entity, even though it had a history of attacking civilian colonies/ships.
Picard did not -immediately- order the execution of a lethal alien that he had just established a means of communicating with, which was virtually helpless against him. You might as well blame him for not immediately shooting Q when the continuum dropped him, mortal, onto the bridge.


Plus any TNG episode with the Prime Directive has a tendency to annoy me.
I mean, he was willing to break with the Prime Directive on multiple occasions to satisfy his moral position, he just had a strong understanding of why it was important.
 

commanderkai

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Picard did not -immediately- order the execution of a lethal alien that he had just established a means of communicating with, which was virtually helpless against him. You might as well blame him for not immediately shooting Q when the continuum dropped him, mortal, onto the bridge.

Q, for all of his annoyances, was more of a nuisance, and hell, he even warned the Federation of the approaching Borg threat. He was a dick, but unless I'm forgetting something, Q never murdered anybody.

I mean, he was willing to break with the Prime Directive on multiple occasions to satisfy his moral position, he just had a strong understanding of why it was important.

Hmm, funny thing about the Prime Directive. They're willing to have teams take active surveillance, greatly increasing the chance of discovery and thus, interference, but won't stop a disaster from destroying a world, even though they'd have the technology to do so without the natives being any wiser. It's really...offputting.

Anyway, I'm curious what your all-star lineup would be?
 

Lanmandragon

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Q, for all of his annoyances, was more of a nuisance, and hell, he even warned the Federation of the approaching Borg threat. He was a dick, but unless I'm forgetting something, Q never murdered anybody.



Hmm, funny thing about the Prime Directive. They're willing to have teams take active surveillance, greatly increasing the chance of discovery and thus, interference, but won't stop a disaster from destroying a world, even though they'd have the technology to do so without the natives being any wiser. It's really...offputting.

Anyway, I'm curious what your all-star lineup would be?
Q maybe not but stopping them from infecting Hugh was a dumb move.
 

Lanmandragon

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Captain: Kirk
XO: Spock
Tactical: Tuvok
Science: Data
Engineer: Scott
Operations: Kim(because I think Kirk would straighten him out)
Doctor: EMH
Comms: Uhura
Security: Worf
Morale: Guianan
Ensign: Nog
Pilot: Paris
 

Husky_Khan

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Well since shipmastersane won't put up a roster like the people want I guess I'll take a stab at my own thread idea.

Captain:
Captain Jean Luc Picard. (TNG) He's just too good to pass up. He's my ideal of a Federation officer and while sometimes his adherence to the Prime Directive can be somewhat vexing his reasonable and careful demeanor can be very useful in a plethora of situations. Just an ideal "peacetime" Starfleet officer IMHO. Any mistakes he'd make wouldn't be out of haste.

First Officer:
Commander Spock. (TOS) A Vulcan, especially one like Spock, would provide a nice POV and interesting abilities to benefit the crew. There is a major downside in that the sheer amount of taciturn logical analysis and pondering upon the top three officers might be so insufferable the ship will collapse into a smuglarity. Worth it though.

Operations Officer:
Lieutenant-Commander Data. (TNG) The android just offers far too many flexible and unique benefits from being immune or highly resistant to many of the afflictions of the rest of the crew as well as his impressive physical and analytical abilities.

Chief Engineer:
Lieutenant-Commander Geordi La Forge. (TNG) He just seems like the best to me. He's smart and adaptable and versatile and while he learned some tips and tricks from Montgomery Scott... the latter learned a fair bit from him as well. It's a close matchup for Engineer especially with Scott's knowledge and wisdom, Miles O'Brians capabilities and combat experience and even B'Elanna Torres and her capabilities but LaForge just seems to make up for it in his technical competence and knowledge. And that visor and neural implants of his have proven handy time and time again.

Science Officer:
Lieutenant-Commander Jadzia Dax. (DS9) She might not be the most capable in the Science capacity but her wealth of experience and previous lifetimes can be invaluable. She also has loads of combat experience, knowledge of foreign cultures and is just an all around very personable and morale boosting officer to have on board.

Tactical Officer:
Tasha Yar. (TNG) She died too early. So now she's making a comeback. Lets see how many Romulan Warbirds she can destroy when not commanding a crippled, obsolete vessel!

Communications Officer:
Counselor Deanna Troi. (TNG) This might be cheating... I dunno… but she's really good at communicating things. It's like she's naturally empathic or something. Also makes a good Romulan which shows she has some GRIT!

Security Officer:
Lieutenant Marcus Reed (ENT) He's pretty no nonsense and has some admirable combat and tactical skills as far as Star Trek is concerned. He's also quite the Engineer himself, so along with all of his tactical and armory training, he was also responsible for various engineering advances with both personal and starship weaponry in addition to his tactical innovations.

Doctor:
The Doctor/EMG (VOY) As Doctors go, he seems the most capable medically and the fact he's a mobile emitted hologram will provide a wealth of benefits as well. He's also improved on his quirky bedside manner incredibly and just for raw medical knowledge he's rather unchallenged.

Helm/Conn:
Commander William Riker (TNG) He'll be earning a demotion to Helmsman. People keep saying he was a good starship pilot and he has that sort of pilots womanizing demeanor so it should be a good fit for him. He's not as good as many of the others on the list but he did successfully crash the saucer section into a M-class planet which is good enough I feel. Plus he has some experience in diplomacy and command and the like so he could serve in other roles in a pinch as well unlike that dirty mercenary Tom Paris.

Morale Officer/Counselor/Bartender:
Doctor Leonard "Bones McCoy (TOS) Screw S'task… he made a perfect case for Counselor that I never would've even thought of... the jerk.

Replaceable Ensign:
Hugh. (TNG) Always handy to have a rogue Borg Drone on board for reasons. Plus if he dies... I'm told you can bring back said Drones from brain death within a certain period of time, which is handy.
 
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Captain: James T. Kirk. He was reckless, but he is also simply the best. I would prefer to have him at his seasoned late-career self when he was much more willing to listen to his subordinates, though.

First Officer: Spock. For exactly the same reason, the easy rapport between Kirk and Spock is a critical, winning combination for a successful command team.

Chief Engineer: Montgomery Scott. He made the Enterprise work with simply none of the technobabble of the later engineering officers. He was dedicated, and in love, and very good.

Science Officer: 7 of 9. Extremely competent and professional and best left to specialize in this role. Spock can't be distracted because he needs to always be available to balance Kirk to get the maximum capability out of that man.

Tactical Officer: Reed. He does his job well and competently.

Communications Officer: Uhura--a very conscientious professional who could always be counted on to put in the utmost effort to improve herself and execute for the crew.

Security Officer: Worf. He is exactly what you want in a tactical officer, he never quits, he seriously worked to improve at his profession.

Operations Officer: Saavik. It seems that around the time she was on the Enterprise her exact role is hard to discern, but she was Spock's protege, which is a very high compliment indeed, and the whole science officer role was becoming ops for the future at the time, so it's a plausible link.

Doctor: Bashir. His spirit, his willingness to learn, and his skill in difficult situations to me always shone through.

Helm/Conn: Paris. He's kind of an idiot at times, but with Kirk as his commander I think he is going to be able to outperform anyone else.

Morale Officer/Counselor/Bartender: Guinan, because of course you want a telempathic immortal in this role. I think she's better than a counselor because of that background.

Replaceable Ensign: (basically guest star or recurring role From Star Trek shows/movies you'd wanna see as an appropriate part of the crew) -- The poor one-quarter Romulan guy from Drumhead. He deserves his shot.
 

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