Alec Baldwin shoots 2 on set of western, 1 dead

Captain X said:
I can just never get over these Hollywood types being anti-gun and then using them to ply their trade like this. And then too boot he ends up killing someone. Probably just make him even more anti-gun now. :rolleyes: Let's see if this makes him refuse to do movies like this now. :sneaky:
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They're anti-gun because they have no clue how to properly use firearms in a safe manner and rely on others who might not know what they're doing to say "this is safe".

I've seen video of a sheriff basically saying "I'm the only one here trained to use a firearm" a few seconds before shooting himself in the foot while unholstering one in front of children.
 
Val the Moofia Boss said:
Shot a cinematographer? Sounds like he was aiming towards the camera for a scene, in which case it would be unreasonable to expect it'd be loaded with a real bullet. Yes, gun safety always check and all that, but still. Doesn't sound like his fault.
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See that’s what I was wondering if he was aiming at something he was told to aim at that’s not on him that’s on the gun guy.

My concern is the media and actors are going to twist this in ever which way to get their narrative out
 
hyperspacewizard said:
See that’s what I was wondering if he was aiming at something he was told to aim at that’s not on him that’s on the gun guy.
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Eh, no. You're responsible every time you pull the trigger. If someone - even like an instructor on a course or something - told me a gun was empty and handed it to me, I'd still check myself before treating it as anything other than loaded. That's the #1 rule of gun safety - the gun is always loaded. I don't see any reason why this filming should be different, replacing "loaded with blanks" with "empty" as appropriate.

If it was a squib + a blank like the Lee situation then that's different.
 
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A gun is just way cheaper and easier and faster.

The lack of info speaks volumes on this shit. We still don't know what gun was used or how it actually happened. 2 people were shot, 1 died. From what is being said it was apparently 2 shots but surely even a anti-gun would realize something is wrong if they pull the trigger expecting a blank or something and someone falls over?

Was this a machine gun? Hell no, we can at least know that. It's a 1880s setting. So this means either the bullets went through people, it was a shotgun shell and the shot hit 2 people, or Alec Baldwin shot someone and still fired another bullet as one person was already going down. Even if you try and pin this on the prop master if it turns out he pulled the trigger twice he loses any alibi.
 
From what I've read it sounds like it was one shot that hit the cinematographer, passed through her, and hit a second person behind her.

Seems like there were incredibly lax safety standards, they'd had three negligent discharges before the fatal one. During which the "armorer" puts three guns on cart, with apparently either no or erroneous information on what is and isn't safe, assistant director takes a gun, doesn't check if it's loaded or what with and hands it to Baldwin and tells him it's loaded with blanks, Baldwin also doesn't check before pointing it at someone and pulls the trigger.

Complicating though is that baldwin was also the producer.

I'd say this seems like negligence on the armourer, assistant director, and baldwin's part.
 
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But the fact is no one is saying it. With most shooting like this, when it happen to regular folk like you and me, the media circus has a recreation or complete data ready to go even when they only have some hear-say. Not here. We know nothing about the shooting outside of the fact it happened.

You ask me, could be just his Hollywood lawyers trying to keep a lid on it for a while so there isn't too much public pressure one way or the other. But still weird. I wanna know specifics.
 
They probably are trying to figure things out.

How long did it take for Brandon Lee case got solved?

One has to account how much media this kinda case brings, and paparazzi get invovled
 
Ok.

1. It's not unrealistic to fire twice before realizing something is wrong. This goes doubly true for stupid Hollywood western and things like "fanning the hammer."

2. Totally agree there's all kinds of fault to spread around. However, I'm seeing a lot of things aimed at Baldwin in the vein of, "Get him!"

3. This is THE appropriate time to make sure people understand that guns don't kill people, idiots with guns kill people.
 
The Whispering Monk said:
Ok.

1. It's not unrealistic to fire twice before realizing something is wrong. This goes doubly true for stupid Hollywood western and things like "fanning the hammer."

2. Totally agree there's all kinds of fault to spread around. However, I'm seeing a lot of things aimed at Baldwin in the vein of, "Get him!"

3. This is THE appropriate time to make sure people understand that guns don't kill people, idiots with guns kill people.
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Baldwin spent years trying to remove all of our gun rights because he's an arrogant blow hard, the man is not our friend and has been against our civil liberties for decades. Now that he's been caught in an act of gross hipocracy this is the perfect time to take him down a notch because if we dont he will use his crimes as an excuse to attempt to take away our rights again.
 
D*mn. I may not like his politics but nobody should have to live with this type of stupid accident on their conscious.:cry:

But this also shows how astoundingly indifferent Hollywood is on guns safety. I mean, if I became an actor myself and knew I would be using guns I would definitely take every firearm safety test in the history of man and insist on inspecting any firearm I would be using, fake or otherwise before even thinking about using it on set.

It just goes to show you how a little safety regardless of setting can save lives, lockout-tagout teaches you that in my type of job.
 
Fallout-Man101 said:
D*mn. I may not like his politics but nobody should have to live with this type of stupid accident on their conscious.:cry:

But this also shows how astoundingly indifferent Hollywood is on guns safety. I mean, if I became an actor myself and knew I would be using guns I would definitely take every firearm safety test in the history of man and insist on inspecting any firearm I would be using, fake or otherwise before even thinking about using it on set.

It just goes to show you how a little safety regardless of setting can save lives, lockout-tagout teaches you that in my type of job.
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Contempt is a hell of a drug. After all dumb rednecks handle guns all the time, right?
 
Cherico said:
Baldwin spent years trying to remove all of our gun rights because he's an arrogant blow hard, the man is not our friend and has been against our civil liberties for decades. Now that he's been caught in an act of gross hipocracy this is the perfect time to take him down a notch because if we dont he will use his crimes as an excuse to attempt to take away our rights again.
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Sadly true.If you do not punish him for acting stupid,he would use his stupidity to get your weapons.
 
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