You quoted a one liner pointing out the irony of the behavior of the trolls and made a big post about Nazism and Conservatism and pulled in LGBTQ rights and Hitler etc in response lol.
"Dragging it out." "Multiple posts." I made two posts...lol
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You quoted a one liner pointing out the irony of the behavior of the trolls and made a big post about Nazism and Conservatism and pulled in LGBTQ rights and Hitler etc in response lol.
"Dragging it out." "Multiple posts." I made two posts...lol
yes because my main point was about how they can’t make distinctions between an establishment neocon or a libertarian and a neo nazi.
Now three, after telling me to get off my soapbox and chastising me about how it was just one line. It’s predictable it would continue. Is it going to go to four, five? Let’s see.
Gosh dang I didn’t realize I lived that rent free in your head that you have to repeat a bunch of random bullshit about me from months of posts anytime I go anywhere while simultaneously refusing to quote me or even acknowledge me, and that you’ll just use that bullshit to ignore anything I ever say and just repeat it ad nauseum hoping to slander me anywhere I go. Congrats on adhering so well to left wing values.
But this further proves my point. There’s about a half a dozen people on this site that take so much issue with me as a paleocon that they feel the need to repeat lies about me everywhere I go even when it has nothing to do with the thread and SB and SV and all the others aware of this place *still* think this is the neo Nazi forum akin to Stormfront.
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At this point Paleocon just seems code for "not republican" and has about as much meaning as the word Nazi. I'm really thinking what needs to stop more than Anything is the constant use of Political lables as they are not helpful nor do they drive the conversation forward.
Accusations of extremism require proof
@Captain X, YOU HAVE ACCUSED A POSTER OF EXTREMISM, WITHOUT INCLUDING EVIDENCE IN YOUR POST. PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF WITHIN 48 HOURS OF A) FRIED SUPPORTING SLAVERY, AND B) FRIED CLAIMING THAT WOMEN SHOULDN'T HAVE THE FRANCHISE.
ALTERNTATIVELY, RETRACT YOUR STATEMENT AND ISSUE AN APOLOGY.
After you are done, please report your post with the proof so staff can find it, with a relevant summary.
What are you even talking about lol. I am a Republican, and it’s a movement that has been fairly present within the party since the 50s.
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and yet no two seem to be able to agree on anything Paleocon seems to go from "social programs for whites" to "limited government" yet both claim to be Paleocons.
I gotta be honest: I didn't think you were a Republican, but someone who held values that were applicable across the political spectrum as a whole. I'm kinda surprised.
Oh, okay, I guess we're going to play fucking games now, huh? After all, I'm not the one who called these extremists positions to begin with, so that's hardly on me. All I'm doing is poking fun at someone trying to argue about not using the Nazi label on leftists who are acting like actual fascists - you know, actual extremists. Someone must seriously lack integrity, because they should full well know this is all a matter of record and it is simply a matter of time to go through the relevant threads to find the posts in question. As such, you have committed the sin of wasting my time. So I got your proof right here, pal. *grabs groin*
Here is an example of where he states he does not believe slavery is inherently immoral. I'm only going to bother citing this one example, because it's pretty straightforward.
As for women's rights, this is going to be a lovely mixed up bunch of quotes, but since the search function was not kind to me, I'm not going to be kind either.
In any case, this is where I initially asked for clarification on his stance, because while I remembered someone saying they wanted to roll back women's rights, I couldn't remember exactly who said that. You'll note that while he does indeed start out in a more joking tone, this kind of goes away the further into the thread it goes.
First wave feminism would be women's suffrage, incidentally.
I honestly think this one quote should be enough to support my claim, but yadda, yadda context. Plus, If I should have to suffer by reading back through all this bullshit, so should all of you.
So with that:
Here is an example of where he states he does not believe slavery is inherently immoral. I'm only going to bother citing this one example, because it's pretty straightforward.
As for women's rights, this is going to be a lovely mixed up bunch of quotes, but since the search function was not kind to me, I'm not going to be kind either.
In any case, this is where I initially asked for clarification on his stance, because while I remembered someone saying they wanted to roll back women's rights, I couldn't remember exactly who said that. You'll note that while he does indeed start out in a more joking tone, this kind of goes away the further into the thread it goes.Give up on women’s rights.
First wave feminism would be women's suffrage, incidentally.
I honestly think this one quote should be enough to support my claim, but yadda, yadda context. Plus, If I should have to suffer by reading back through all this bullshit, so should all of you.
So with that:
Incidentally, now that you've made me dig back through all of that, with the apparent threat of banning me over it, I'm going to be a pedantic asshole here and point out that I never accused him of supporting slavery, but of thinking that slavery was not inherently evil.
To be fair, while I don't agree with his stance on abortion (I'm pro choice) and (obviously) slavery, I do sort of sympathize with his views that women can get away with too much shit these days legally and socially, and "feminism" and the sexual revolution are direct causes of it -- hell, the latter should've been smothered in its proverbial crib.
They've caused chaos in Western civilization that has helped the rot setting in -- and, no, I'm not some nut who thinks all women should be virgins until marriage or that they should be chaste, or that women should be housewives, et cetera.
And that's not getting into the biases seen in legal cases, work environments, and social events where you don't know the women attending (hilariously, in a post #MeToo world, women are now complaining that they're being iced out by male co-workers and would've-been mentors in work and outside of it as a direct result of this shit. No man wants to risk his career or family-life by talking to a woman in the workplace now, or even inviting them out for after-work social events like drinks like they do with their male buddies. And being in an office without witnesses, a camera, or the doors/windows open? Good luck).
They've caused chaos in Western civilization that has helped the rot setting in -- and, no, I'm not some nut who thinks all women should be virgins until marriage or that they should be chaste, or that women should be housewives, et cetera.
And that's not getting into the biases seen in legal cases, work environments, and social events where you don't know the women attending (hilariously, in a post #MeToo world, women are now complaining that they're being iced out by male co-workers and would've-been mentors in work and outside of it as a direct result of this shit. No man wants to risk his career or family-life by talking to a woman in the workplace now, or even inviting them out for after-work social events like drinks like they do with their male buddies. And being in an office without witnesses, a camera, or the doors/windows open? Good luck).
you said I don’t believe women should have any rights at all, and your evidence is a bunch of posts where I start by saying “it is fun to argue that position” and a bunch of posts where I make jokes, obvious jokes that I added emojis to to get them clear across in text and outright say I’m joking, while also saying “I think feminism was a mistake”. You said I don’t believe women should have any rights at all. You asked if I don’t believe in suffrage, I said “it’s fun to hold that position.”
I’ve never seriously stated that they should have no rights. That would be completely insane.
Also I don’t support lost cause mythology whatever that’s supposed to be. My positions on the Confederacy were pretty much identical to Trumps.
And really if you don’t want to engage with me, which you already said, stop following me across the forum to talk shit about me about things that have nothing to do with the thread everywhere I go. That’s pathetic.
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I also think feminism has gone too far, incidentally, but mainly as far as they want to be more equal than men and be treated like spoiled children all their lives. But I'm going to have to disagree with you about the sexual revolution. I am an egalitarian and believe everyone should be treated equally under the law, and therefore have the same rights.
What I quoted speaks for itself. I decline to waste more of my time to highlight anything else you said downthread of where I stopped, but it's pretty obvious that you weren't really joking all that much. That's as far as I want to get into it, so I'm going to just say, "Oops, I exaggerated slightly." But you'll also note that I never called you an extremist either, just that you held views I find disgusting and therefore care not what your opinion might be on anything, let alone as it relates to calling leftists Nazis or fascists, or any other mean words. I will, however, note that first wave feminism was the start of establishing women's place outside of the home, thus, essentially any kind of rights at all. Establishing the right to vote for them was a really important first step in establishing rights for women, especially at a point when the franchise was not even extended to Native Americans until years after white and black women got it. And you state your disagreement with it, as I quoted. However, being the pedantic asshole I am being now, I was only required to show that you were against women having the franchise, and that is exactly what I did.
You started an entire thread on it, so I'm sure I could find plenty of nuggets in there if you insist, because there was all kinds of back and forth in there on what the Confederacy was all about, and I'm pretty sure the topic of the "Lost Cause" mythology came up at some point, but that is not what I was required to do, as stated by the mod. All I had to do was show that you did not think slavery was inherently evil, which was not hard at all given you used that exact phrase.
This proof is satisfactory enough.
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This is completely satisfactory to me and as far as I am aware it should be to the rest of the staff, we thank you for your time spent Captain X.
We only did this because we like to be proactive in avoiding these types of possible issues, this matter as far as I am concerned is settled.
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Agreed. All the emojis and where I say I’m joking do speak well, especially the fact that the first post is “I do that for fun”.
Literally say it’s for fun, when someone asked if I was serious I said I think it’s funny.
Not at all lol. There’s a hell of a lot more rights than franchise.
The first step would be anything that doesn’t just have them as property, which virtually no one actually had. You killed a woman it was murder not property damage.
Yeah that was silly, because clearly the claim of “no rights at all” is a hell of a lot bigger than “disagrees with women’s suffrage”
bullshit. This dude has literally said he doesn’t want to engage with me at all and then runs around everywhere I go bringing up totally off topic shit and insulting me just to discredit me in anything and snipe at me even though he’s explicitly said that he doesn’t want to engage with me. Doesn’t quote me, doesn’t hardly respond, just shows up all over going “oh this guys sick and disgusting, he thinks this”.
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they asked him to bring SOMETHING to the table and he did and you can dispute what he brought to the table which you are. the point is not whether so much how strong the argument is so long as there is SOME kind of argument as opposed to just name calling each other without quotes.
Actually I believe what I said was that I wasn't going to bother debating you on anything. If you think otherwise, you can certainly find the relevant post and quote it here. Otherwise, I already explained why I brought it up in what context in this thread.
An elaboration.
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...Fried I have stated this to be satisfactory in my eyes, and it's my call to make, as I am the one who ultimately is the mod here not you. If you have a problem with this explanation take it to a Supermod or @LordSunhawk, until then 'anything' bought up outside staff comms as it relates to you or TS affairs on the issue of mod policy in regards to my authority, will be infracted.
This thread is not the place for this argument.
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Integrity is exactly why you had to go look up that information. Your integrity, to be precise. If you accuse someone of holding extreme positions, the burden of proof is on you, the person making that claim, to show that you were in the right to do do.
We do not want to create an environment where users can toss that sort of rethotic around and then fall back on "well, everyone knows he's like that" or the like.
The rule is that you have to demonstrate that you knew it was true when you made the claim. If you accuse someone of being a bigot and can't prove that you did so because you personally know that they have said bigoted things, then that accusasion is a civility breach. That holds true even if the user has in fact said bigoted things, it doesn't stop being an insult if you happen to hit the right target.