Babylon 5 A Fighting Chance --- A Babylon 5 AU

[Harlock]

It will be the same station but fully completed, canon B5 had large parts just wasted I guess as budget ran out.
So brown and grey sectors will be much different and set up for military logistics. Less gardens and more hydroponics for creating rations, enhanced life support so it can stage several divisions of soldiers. That sort of thing.

My guess is AG tech probably needs exotic materials and specialised gear which is prioritised for Warlocks so the stations make do with spinning. B5 is mercantile again likely down to budget but when it gets its upgrade it'll be tooled up with a superior defence grid.

B5 is big as it needs to be self sufficient, the average EA border base would be like a truncated version of B4. Not many of them and all in major Minbari facing hubs. Those would be the true battlestations and armed to the teeth. Named for famous forts and castles I'm thinking


Orieni I'm saving for later As I've read around they had a major war with the Minbari and ISA while Earth was handling the Drakh so I'll use them there. Dunno how canon that is but should be fun

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

B5 is big as it needs to be self sufficient, the average EA border base would be like a truncated version of B4. Not many of them and all in major Minbari facing hubs. Those would be the true battlestations and armed to the teeth. Named for famous forts and castles I'm thinking

Heavily armed castles that can chase you around.

EAS Ticonderoga, EAS Himeji, EAS Alhambra etc...man nice.

Orieni I'm saving for later As I've read around they had a major war with the Minbari and ISA while Earth was handling the Drakh so I'll use them there. Dunno how canon that is but should be fun

They lost their minds when they found out Sheridan exiled the Vorlons from the Galaxy and when they found out the Minbari were party to that they declared a holy crusade and tore into their space with the intent to exterminate as many of them as possible before being taken out.

In this continuity they might go even crazier given that it would look like the Sjadows arguably won

 

[BF110C4]

In the original B5 there was at least one mimbari sharlin who went rogue after the war. This time its almost certain there is going to be more like entire flotillas worth of them at the end of the peace treaty, this time with them being actively chased by Brammer before they manage to restart war while getting covert support from other factions.

 

[mwkillkenny84]

*rogue Minbari*

Hard to happen, not with the 'belligerent' faction having been hammered by the War so badly that the command had to re-given to Brammer and Brammer having on hand the card 'Oh look, one of the most ardent supporter of the war got caught dead with a Drakh, could it be that this whole mess has been orchestrated by Shadow-aligned foreign powers?' that would ease the hardliners... or at least redirect their simmering ire against other targets.

 

[Vlad_Dracul89]

So ideologically, as of now, how common citizens view Earth Alliance? There will be clearly an ego boost to see Earth as the sole protector of peace and prosperity in the galaxy.

Not conquer and mayhem, but stern and harsh 'police actions' coming, because Humanity has the moral high ground now and knows what is best for everyone...

Remember that episode when alien family murders their own son since they belief surgery made him abomination?
I think this time, Human marines may invade their planet just to teach them Human moral codes.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

So ideologically, as of now, how common citizens view Earth Alliance? There will be clearly an ego boost to see Earth as the sole protector of peace and prosperity in the galaxy.

Not conquer and mayhem, but stern and harsh 'police actions' coming, because Humanity has the moral high ground now and knows what is best for everyone...

Remember that episode when alien family murders their own son since they belief surgery made him abomination?
I think this time, Human marines may invade their planet just to teach them Human moral codes.

Good will won them the war and they have just become second only to the Centauri overnight.

Doing shit like this will burn much of that good will and involve them in conflicts that would distract them from preparing for round 2 with the Minbari.

 

[Harlock]

Yeah Earth is tooling up for the Minbari. It may still conduct some limited operations to help its strategic situation but they'd be purely practical rather than ideological.

 

[Vlad_Dracul89]

Of course practicality should prevail, and Sheridan will definitely vote for it, but there totally will be some Humanity First Party lunatics, who could gain Ivanova or Garibaldi's vote, as long as their public face is being just 'moderately concerned' against xeno influence

 

[Harlock]

I expect they'll keep that base they liberated in the 2nd season, maybe a couple more periphery planets to create a buffer zone. Earth never struck me as particularly expansionist when it came to other people's planets, though they were very keen on taking unclaimed territory

 

[Vlad_Dracul89]

Yup, rapidly breeding Humans need a lot of living space

 

[Culsu]

Yup, rapidly breeding Humans need a lot of living space

Nah, even the biggest Earth colonies didn't even come close to a hundred million people. EA could grow inside its space for centuries with space to spare.

 

[BF110C4]

Nah, even the biggest Earth colonies didn't even come close to a hundred million people. EA could grow inside its space for centuries with space to spare.

What they wanted were resources, commerce lanes and probably the empty space itself, both as a buffer and a way of having as many choices as possible to how to direct the grown for the next millenia or so.

With so many small colonies depending on the next advancement in terraforming and mass transport tech they can choose the best planets, large spacestations and hyperspace nodes within their claimed quadrant. All that with minimal clash with alien races who as far as Earth is concerned they can keep their border clashes for planets with a meager ecosystem not entirely compatible with the biology of the contenders for as long as they want.

 

[Seawolf]

Have to admit, I am really loving this AU of Babylon 5, its one of the best AUs that I've seen.

 

[Vlad_Dracul89]

Now I was thinking, aside from that one episode when Sheridan visited Z'hadum, did we ever saw any deeper philosophical debate about Shadows? Most of the time, it was just 'they're evil lol' and then all sorts of Minbari and Vorlon propaganda. I just watched the show, never read any books.

I don't think though that Shadows even recognize concept of good and evil, and don't see themselves evil even by any such silly concept. In their minds, they are more like liberators, right? Not just mere social darwinists.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Theyre a bunch of lunatic social darwinists who use corpses to make their stars ships and whose servants suffer chronic pain in the name of "evolution."

Yeah they're evil.

It's just that, the Vorlons are also evil lunatics.

Edit- the Shadows were a bunch of aspies pretending to be an unholy combination of the Lord Humungus from Mad Max and Makoto Shishio.

Whereas the Vorlons I picture as old school fedora tippers crossed with a tankies perception of how organized secular religion would work.

Not sure which concept is more evil or more horrifying.

 

[mwkillkenny84]

Yeah they're evil.

It's just that, the Vorlons are also evil lunatics.

Remember that, for all their evilness made in the name of "A race grows when it faces strife and conflict, we shall provide it for their own good!", the Shadow never decimated the Milky Way Galaxy in an arrogant tentative to 'ascend'/'reach a higher place', that are the Vorlons.

 

[Vlad_Dracul89]

"Evil, what is that? Who gives more shape to history? The good, who adhere to the tried-and-true?
Or those who seek to rouse beings from their stupor and lead them to glory?"

Darth Plaguies meeting Shadows through some reality warp gate would be kickass crossover.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Remember that, for all their evilness made in the name of "A race grows when it faces strife and conflict, we shall provide it for their own good!", the Shadow never decimated the Milky Way Galaxy in an arrogant tentative to 'ascend'/'reach a higher place', that are the Vorlons.

Multiple times no less.

 

[Vlad_Dracul89]

In case of younger races, it's even much easier to judge. Minbari are most certainly most ruthless, since they always believe they are in the right, like all religious fanatics do. Centauri are ruthless in horrific casual way absolute monarchies tend to be, slavery is still normal and best they can hope is enlightened aurelian-like emperor. Dilgari were meritocratic genocidal supremacists. Others? Drazi and Narns are best explained as warlike tribal society with star khanates.

Humans, compared to all of them, are cuddly teddy bears with absolutely goofy alien concepts of compassion and empathy.
Oh, and democracy, of course. So uniquely form of government in that galaxy.

 

[mwkillkenny84]

like all religious fanatics do

Well, at least the Minbari do not *force* you to convert to worshipping the Vorlons as Gods with genetical sterilization of your population of the telepathic/telekinetic genes (see Orieni for more infos) hidden in the package.