2020 Dem. Primary: Biden His Time?

That's not really accurate, though?

Like, there's admittedly the leadership in Congress which is the Pelosi-Schumer pairing that, sure, 'old white folk' would be accurate. But going back a few years people were happy to use the Republican Presidential primary as a showcase of 'up-and-comers', and to apply the same standard this time around the field expands a good bit with folks like Buttigieg (<40), Yang (<45), Castro (45), O'Rourke (<50), and Harris (<55) all playing against the type pretty well (to take the top contenders who aren't Biden, Warren, Sanders).

One could argue those folks are perhaps less relevant or representative since they are polling significantly lower than those top three whereas the Republican 'young blood' last time around was more competitive, but they do exist in a way that young blood in the Central Committee did not.

Then, perhaps expanding from there...There are 'public image' and policy movers-and-shakers who break that mold (sometimes to the consternation of established leadership). With Ocasio-Cortez as a particularly famous example there, and Tim Ryan as perhaps another (even if one who was shut-out from speakership by the old party leadership when he staged a challenge).

Course, how much any of those folks might go on to be influential is debatable. Despite his notable presidential run, Rubio is kind've just a run-of-the-mill senator as I'm aware nowadays, Nikki Haley is out of politics (I think?), and the 'rising star' young-buck of the House Ryan went outta politics as well, so...Leadership sucks and prognosticating the future is hard? :p
Leadership does indeed suck, especially when you become number 3 with an old fashioned Queens Democrat as your boss when you want to move in a libertarian direction. I think Ryan will be happier at AEI though, he was always more of a think tank fellow.

Rubio ran into the problem of having to try and help bridge the GOP from first half of decade with second half, trying things like tax credits for families to get people to get married and have kids, while also doing things like moving forward with pressure in Venezuela. He’s also one of the ones who has basically caught on to just how much the media is generally despised, though it to his public depantsing at that CNN townhall after Parkland to really dig him into that point.

Nikki Haley is the favorite for GOP nomination in 2024, as everyone in GOP seems to like her. A lot of Never Trumpers want her to run a primary against Trump, but she’s too smart to launch a kamikaze at Trump to assuage their egos(I say this as a committed Never Trumper myself.)
 
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In the latest shake-up to things, Bernie Sanders...had a heart attack? Needed to have a stent inserted due to blocked arteries that were causing chest pain? Something of conflicting information on the precise medical details that the campaign's playing somewhat cagey with apparently, but the effects are him being hospitalized and needing to cancel a number of events in order to recover--which seems to be going well thus far, thankfully, and even got us the slightly-surreal instance of Sanders tweeting out advocacy for his Medicare For All plan whilst recovering in the hospital. Which is just another one of those 21st-century, modern campaign 'things' that just struck me--alongside just how much better the medical field has gotten that while it's been raised about Bernie because he's, I think, the oldest...other candidates, including Trump, being >70 is common and typically only commented on as a joke.

Which, on that topic...Would this make Sanders the potential first bionic President? I suppose others probably have already beaten him to the punch on that one (Bush Sr. I think? I'm relatively sure Reagen had some artificial heart items what with the assassination and all...But I haven't looked it up), but you never know. Perhaps Sanders opted for supa-secret stents that give him a +5 to his mana pool and will allow more political actions per turn!
That's...That's how it works, right?

To morbidly return to the politics of it, this looks like bad timing for Sanders' campaign as Warren is on the upswing and Biden's getting shaken pretty hard. That said, he seems to be securely in the race for the time being--he's one of four candidates to release 3rd-quarter fundraising numbers so far and he's at the top of the pack with 25 million (Mayor Pete second at 19, Harris at 11, and Booker at 8). So the campaign can go on--whether this impacts things or shakes loose followers to Warren (who would seem the logical alternative to Sanders voters) however remains a question.

https://fortune.com/2019/10/02/democrats-third-quarter-fundraising/
 
Yeah, this is going to be a damaging blow to Biden's efforts regardless. Campaigning needs energy and time, two things that major surgery, esp. from a heart attack, sap a person of GREATLY. He's not going to travel for a while and even after he's going to have to have a more limited travel schedule while he body recovers.

His inertia will keep him in it for a time, so it gives him some leeway, but if Warren really starts surging and Biden continues dropping, this heart attack may have written the end of his campaign.
 
Yeah, this is going to be a damaging blow to Biden's efforts regardless. Campaigning needs energy and time, two things that major surgery, esp. from a heart attack, sap a person of GREATLY. He's not going to travel for a while and even after he's going to have to have a more limited travel schedule while he body recovers.

His inertia will keep him in it for a time, so it gives him some leeway, but if Warren really starts surging and Biden continues dropping, this heart attack may have written the end of his campaign.
Sanders is the one who had a heart attack, not Biden. Biden has to deal with the fact that he's guilty of doing something that's almost identical to what his fellow Dems are trying to accuse Trump of doing, and impeach him over. All he's really put forward as a defense have been insisting that people should be focusing on Trump, not him, as well as claiming that he didn't say what he was recorded on video saying.

Biden is either incredibly desperate, or he really does think we're all that stupid. Either way, it's not doing his campaign any favors.
 
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Sanders is the one who had a heart attack, not Biden. Biden has to deal with the fact that he's guilty of doing something that's almost identical to what his fellow Dems are trying to accuse Trump of doing, and impeach him over. All he's really put forward as a defense have been insisting that people should be focusing on Trump, not him, as well as claiming that he didn't say what he was recorded on video saying.

Biden is either incredibly desperate, or he really does think we're all that stupid. Either way, it's not doing his campaign any favors.
Sorry, meant Sanders, just typed the wrong name.
 
Yeah, this is going to be a damaging blow to Biden's efforts regardless. Campaigning needs energy and time, two things that major surgery, esp. from a heart attack, sap a person of GREATLY. He's not going to travel for a while and even after he's going to have to have a more limited travel schedule while he body recovers.

His inertia will keep him in it for a time, so it gives him some leeway, but if Warren really starts surging and Biden continues dropping, this heart attack may have written the end of his campaign.
Sorry, meant Sanders, just typed the wrong name.


It would be negative, though, for Biden, because Warren might be able to consolidate the far left to get in a much stronger position early on.
 

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