The Americas 🇨🇺 Protests in Cuba

Well in this case we literally have to do something soon. Unlike Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Vietnam and Korea. This is literally on our back door. And any mess happening there will soon send a shit ton of refugees our way. So best to take out the Cuban Military and air drop the people weapons to fight back.
 
Well in this case we literally have to do something soon. Unlike Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Vietnam and Korea. This is literally on our back door. And any mess happening there will soon send a shit ton of refugees our way. So best to take out the Cuban Military and air drop the people weapons to fight back.
Here's the problem.
As things stand, it is in one way disturbingly similar to Libya.
The current government is assholes, but they keep the borders closed and the place semi-functional.
If it was to be overthrown, how do you know that the replacement won't be worse, from your and/or the local's perspective?

For all you know the people emerging on top out of revolution could be cartel or China's patsies who wouldn't mind a poorer half of the population moving out to USA to clear out some real estate and discontent. Plus considering the "nation building" fetish US government has in such situations, it is clear that it would not be willing to assume control over who the replacement is going to be even when technically it could.
 
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Here's the problem.
As things stand, it is in one way disturbingly similar to Libya.
The current government is assholes, but they keep the borders closed and the place semi-functional.
If it was to be overthrown, how do you know that the replacement won't be worse, from your and/or the local's perspective?

For all you know the people emerging on top out of revolution could be cartel or China's patsies who wouldn't mind a poorer half of the population moving out to USA to clear out some real estate and discontent. Plus considering the "nation building" fetish US government has in such situations, it is clear that it would not be willing to assume control over who the replacement is going to be even when technically it could.
Dude have you not been paying attention to the actual info coming in from people on the ground. The CCP and Russian assets are already their trying to aid the Cuban govt against it's people. And the fact that the CCP warned us to not interfere is all the reason to interfere. As proven this very year when the CCP warns you against something means they are up to shady shit that is gonna be very bad for you down the road.
 
Dude have you not been paying attention to the actual info coming in from people on the ground. The CCP and Russian assets are already their trying to aid the Cuban govt against it's people. And the fact that the CCP warned us to not interfere is all the reason to interfere. As proven this very year when the CCP warns you against something means they are up to shady shit that is gonna be very bad for you down the road.
Exactly. And they were there since ages, as one of main purposes of that alliance. That's their plan A. They most certainly also have a plan B, plan C and plan D, and if need be, they will improvise a plan E on the spot.
If USA intervenes, it cannot afford for that intervention to be a shitshow and/or a total failure, because if it is, USA is going to end up worse off than with not interfering and letting the current government with its allies to stay in power.
Knowing the woke\corruptocrat administration currently in charge, mostly interested in their perceptions in leftist media, i would not assume they have high chances of ensuring that.
When one team is a bunch of shitty politicos playing for looks, and the other is KGB veterans playing for keeps, how do you think this is going to end?
 
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Exactly. And they were there since ages, as one of main purposes of that alliance. That's their plan A. They most certainly also have a plan B, plan C and plan D, and if need be, they will improvise a plan E on the spot.
If USA intervenes, it cannot afford for that intervention to be a shitshow and/or a total failure, because if it is, USA is going to end up worse off than with not interfering and letting the current government with its allies to stay in power.
Knowing the woke\corruptocrat administration currently in charge, mostly interested in their perceptions in leftist media, i would not assume they have high chances of ensuring that.
They are counting on us not doing a damn thing. Look I know we are gonna disagree on this matter. I have too many Cuban friends who I have know for over 30 years. They told me just how bad it was there for them and their family before they made it to the US. And about how they still have family their that are in a bad way. I will always be on the stance of us taking action. To hell with what if this happens. Sometimes you gotta take a stand.
 
They are counting on us not doing a damn thing. Look I know we are gonna disagree on this matter. I have too many Cuban friends who I have know for over 30 years. They told me just how bad it was there for them and their family before they made it to the US. And about how they still have family their that are in a bad way. I will always be on the stance of us taking action. To hell with what if this happens. Sometimes you gotta take a stand.
Ironically, in Europe everyone is dealing with a similar situation in Belarus. For all the talk of how sanctioned Belarus got over quelling protests and how every politico got to play a freedom fighter, as far as effects on the ground go, all this "success" has achieved absolutely nothing, if not less than nothing, because in the end Belarus has gotten even more totalitarian and tightly allied with Russia, which is about the opposite of what was supposed to be achieved.
US politicos of course went with the flow rather than tell the rest of the virtue signallers that they aren't achieving shit and need a completely different policy, one way or another, if they want that to change. Or failing that, at least stop doing things in general, because it's only getting worse.
Want to take action that will work? You're gonna need a president who's going to be some kind of fusion of Eisenhower and Reagan, take full control of the military leadership, intelligence, and State Department alike, show one middle finger to UN, another one to CNN, kick the commies into the sea, install a military administration for few years, and make sure a trusted man who isn't a slimy virtue signaller is in charge for the next decade or two, one way or another.

If the US government is supposed to intervene and be able to call it a success, if it's not able to do something along these lines, it's not worth trying, because if it becomes a match of usual silly games there's a good chance Russia or China will outplay them.
 
Covid virus is so powerful it can tell if you are a commie or not and choose to not infect communists

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Believe me, I'd rather have a single US doctor than 3 Cuban ones. Cuba did well in picking the low-hanging fruit, improving what could easily or cheaply be improved. As these improvements do have dramatic effects on mortality rates and general health of the population(and most, if not all, Latin Amercian countries couldn't even do that reliably at the time), the Cuban health system legend was born.
For the longest time (Cold War) I believe, it was doctors and medicine from Canada that was keeping Cuba afloat.

We could make Cuba a US territory. It wouldn't be the only nation kept as a US colony in the carabean. The would likely voluntarily remain a colony rather than become fully independent or incorporated as a state just like Puerto Rico.
Instead of welcome to Cuba, it would be welcome to Guantanamo Bay :LOL:

But really, if this Cuba this goes badly, it would make Guantanamo Bay look like a paradise in comparison.


Where will they run to?
Not run, rebel.

Remember the Free Syrian Army?

There's gonna be a Free Cuban Army soon.
 
Everyone who wants to intervene is an idiot. There is a good chance that will just fuck things up and a decent amount of the Cubans will support the commies against the foreign invader. No what should be done is support the people with words and hope that the people and Cuban army do the same thing Eastern Europe did and more or less peacefully end communism.
 
Even then, in Russia the end of communism resulted in the "democratic" government (which used the military against the legislature) basically letting international companies loot the country IIRC, although other Easter European countries managed it better.
 
In general anything that is in the DC government's interests is bad. Cuba destabilizing is in the neocons, the deep state's, and the "intelligence community's" interests, and America being involved in particular is, so we should want nothing to do with it and oppose any involvement.

The global american empire isn't an extension of our interests or something that benefits americans. It's the worst enemy of the American nation (meaning our people, our blood and soil - not some fancy bits of paper or the mechanisms of the state).


Remember the Free Syrian Army?

There's gonna be a Free Cuban Army soon.

That was what DC called the "moderate rebels" they'd armed who had yet to defect to ISIS, right?

Edit: At least per Glenn Greenwald, the CIA was confirmed to be doing at least minor psyop shit to try to destabilize Cuba... in 2011. So right during Obama, and yeah, in Cuba. IMO that puts paid to all these notions that "oh the Deep State (e.g. high level government officials, taken collectively) would never try to destabilize a regime outside of global American empire hegemony!"
 
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They are counting on us not doing a damn thing. Look I know we are gonna disagree on this matter. I have too many Cuban friends who I have know for over 30 years. They told me just how bad it was there for them and their family before they made it to the US. And about how they still have family their that are in a bad way. I will always be on the stance of us taking action. To hell with what if this happens. Sometimes you gotta take a stand.

The only way I can see for you to help, (NOT the US, You! The US Gov will screw everybody if they stick their dick in.) is to get a Cuban expat group together, and find out who's doing what there, and get the Cubans in the US to back a faction.

The Cuban expats might need to send guns, men, food and medicine, and they'll have to keep control of what they send to maintain leverage. And, still, it's likely to go tits up.




Not directly related, but it shows some potential problems. My mom got a bunch of feminist women together 40 odd years ago, and they funded a school for girls in Pakistan. For 25 years, they send money off, and were told 'All good.' Then, another charity was sending somebody over there to check on another charity's stuff, and they paid him to look in on theirs.


Turns out the school? Only taught boys.


The feminists had been funding an all boys school the whole time. The locals were quite happy to have a school, but for girls? No, that'd get the girls killed.




To boil it down? The moment it's out of your sight, it's also out of your control. If you want things to get better, DO IT YOURSELF.
 

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