Election 2020 Richard Spencer Endorses Joe Biden and the Democratic Party

Spencers basic premise is that there is no real difference between republicans and democrats, and he doesnt want to reward Trump for his failures by voting for him.

One thing to understand about Spencer is that he is almost entirely media created..a kind of reverse astroturf where he was built up by his foes. Prior to 2016 very few people on what was then called the Alt-right had even heard of him. He was a douchy former paleo-con who wrote articles for his obscure blog. He did not 'invent' the alt right, and did not lead it. All he did was attach himself to it and grift.

Spencer is not a fascist or even a white nationalist. He is openly contemptuous of nationalists and instead promotes this wierd altanticist version of Duginism where all the european and european-descended countries will unite into a big gay empire that follows this bizarre fusion of greek paganism and Nietzschism all ruled by anglo-patricians like himself. Then we will expand into the stars and build a vast space empire complete with floating elysiums for the elite.

I shit you not.

This guy has alienated, conned or outright betrayed nearly everyone he has ever worked with, up to and including fucking his former bodyguards wife. While people were fighting it out in the streets of Charlottesville, he was fucking Faith Goldy in his hotel room, after having fled with his bodyguards when shit got rough.

He is persona non gratis with nearly every organisation or faction. Fuck him.

AnimalNoodles said:

Spencers basic premise is that there is no real difference between republicans and democrats, and he doesnt want to reward Trump for his failures by voting for him.

One thing to understand about Spencer is that he is almost entirely media created..a kind of reverse astroturf where he was built up by his foes. Prior to 2016 very few people on what was then called the Alt-right had even heard of him. He was a douchy former paleo-con who wrote articles for his obscure blog. He did not 'invent' the alt right, and did not lead it. All he did was attach himself to it and grift.

Spencer is not a fascist or even a white nationalist. He is openly contemptuous of nationalists and instead promotes this wierd altanticist version of Duginism where all the european and european-descended countries will unite into a big gay empire that follows this bizarre fusion of greek paganism and Nietzschism all ruled by anglo-patricians like himself. Then we will expand into the stars and build a vast space empire complete with floating elysiums for the elite.

I shit you not.

This guy has alienated, conned or outright betrayed nearly everyone he has ever worked with, up to and including fucking his former bodyguards wife. While people were fighting it out in the streets of Charlottesville, he was fucking Faith Goldy in his hotel room, after having fled with his bodyguards when shit got rough.

He is persona non gratis with nearly every organisation or faction. Fuck him.

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Southern Translation: He is a sorry no good sack of shit. I believe you would say in other words.

Tzeentchean Perspective said:

The people associated with the party that caused 50% of all Chinese cringe aids deaths in America by throwing patients into nursing homes...are the "competent" ones. Between this and TRS launching their own ego-fulfilling political party, I have to wonder: Are Feds alright?

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I... Have no idea what you're trying to say...

Usually, when somebody gets called a "white supremacist" it's nonsense, but Richard Spencer is one of those rare people who actually is a true white supremacist in that he wants whites to rule over nonwhites in some sort of pseudo-imperialistic fashion. This, to my mind, means he is not a true nationalist.

Richard Spencer really isn't that important and the fact that people actually care (in a reverse way) who he endorses for president gives him undue influence in politics and too much space in our heads. In fact, Spencer likely understands this which is why he endorsed Biden - he wanted to make some headlines again.

I always did get the impression he was a bit of a media creation. In the sense that he wasn’t genuinely committed to the movement.

Someone like Kevin Macdonald or Greg Johnson, or really hell Andrew Anglin strike me as genuine fascists/WNs.

But they don’t provide the sort of media spectacle that can be milked. As their actually you know working for the movement.

The interesting thing about Spencer, is that he 'popped up' in 2015/2016, which is basically the golden age of being a Youtube Personality.

And he has never been successful in his own right. Literally the only reason he's known, is because he's a useful fear card for the media/DNC/etc. He doesn't have the charisma, eloquence, or ideological coherence to gather a following in his own right like Milo did back then, before he melted down.

Of course, now that he's backing Biden, the media will never report on him again before the election.

LordsFire said:

And he has never been successful in his own right. Literally the only reason he's known, is because he's a useful fear card for the media/DNC/etc. He doesn't have the charisma, eloquence, or ideological coherence to gather a following in his own right like Milo did back then, before he melted down.

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Is it me, or could that be used to summarise the White Nationalists in general? Having seen what went down in 2016, it seemed like there was a growing grassroots conservative movement that diverged from the GOP establishment (hence alt-right) only for the real far right to be astroturfed into dominating it by the media. Spencer and his ilk are useful idiots in my view, who do nothing but sabotage Nationalist Movements.

We've actually got a chap like that in Britain (who scarily enough seems to believe his convictions) called Mark Collett. I believe he's actually, on live stream, recommended Mein Kampf as a deeply important book. And this man seeks to lead the British populist right? He'd sink us quicker than HMS Hood.

The far right now is just ranting now about how trump went to the wailing wall and hasn’t gone full turner diaries on Israel yet.

As if even a crypto fascist president would be able to do that.

It’s bizarre. Trump has built sections of the wall, tried to crack down on unrest while also fighting the media, the alphabet agencies, his own party, the other party, street riots, and is surrounded by wolves at every turn. Tried to bring back jobs to the Midwest with some success. It’s just a really unreasonable.

I mean even the far left doesn’t have unrealistic expectations that Bernie was going to cut the military budget 90% or whatever.

Perusing far right twitter-it’s so undisciplined and is filled to the brim with infighting and backbiting.

It’s convinced me the only real reason they’ll never be a successful Neo Nazi/WN movement is because none of them would submit to a single Fuhrer.

I mean if you really believe truly believe-in a sinister Jewish conspiracy to destroy the white race, and the urgency of fighting the extinction of your people-you ought to find a leader and suck it up and do what he says. Rather than lambast each other for minor squabbles.

4 Chan culture does not make for a successful nationalist movement.

Lord Invictus said:

Perusing far right twitter-it’s so undisciplined and is filled to the brim with infighting and backbiting.

It’s convinced me the only real reason they’ll never be a successful Neo Nazi/WN movement is because none of them would submit to a single Fuhrer.

I mean if you really believe truly believe-in a sinister Jewish conspiracy to destroy the white race, and the urgency of fighting the extinction of your people-you ought to find a leader and suck it up and do what he says. Rather than lambast each other for minor squabbles.

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The Right in general has a problem with organising, so it's only fair the "Far Right" be terrible at it. Ethno-nats relentlessly brigaded "le skeptic YouTubers" because they saw the problems of the movement and didn't want a part of it. Now, four years later, a lot of those criticisms are coming to fruition. Not only that, they seem hell bent on driving away those of the "wrong skin colour" who actually feel far more strongly for the country than many White liberals do.

Lack of discipline really. And perhaps this is where individualism is somewhat of a weakness.

People on the right pride themselves on not being NPCs, in formulating original thoughts and not blindly doing things because their friends and associates are. On not submitting to an authority just because they have a fancy PhD or run an erudite blog or because they won an election.

This means organizing is very difficult as naysayers, ornery trouble makers, and people who march the opposite direction just to fuck collectivism can and are a problem.

Lord Sovereign said:

The Right in general has a problem with organising, so it's only fair the "Far Right" be terrible at it. Ethno-nats relentlessly brigaded "le skeptic YouTubers" because they saw the problems of the movement and didn't want a part of it. Now, four years later, a lot of those criticisms are coming to fruition. Not only that, they seem hell bent on driving away those of the "wrong skin colour" who actually feel far more strongly for the country than many White liberals do.

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Civic Nationalism spits on those retarded Ethnonationalists and also spits on the commies at who think “Nationalism=Xenophobia”

I can't say that Richard Spencer is a fraud, he may well be generally sincere though I doubt that his endorsement of Biden is, but alternatively his prominence is largely an artificial creation of the left wing media. I don't know how many people actually knew who he was before a few years ago and suddenly he starts making the rounds on TV, being interviewed by journalists and propped up as some supposed leader of a huge Neo-Nazi movement.

To put Richard Spencer and his real influence into perspective, before he was kicked off of YouTube, he had about 3,000 followers on there. I have 12,000 followers, without ever having had national media attention. I know that there is way more to it than that, but how many people really knew or cared who Spencer was before the media shown their spotlight on him?

I kinda got a similar feeling about Nick Fuentes. All of a sudden this 20 year old kid comes out of nowhere and is supposedly the leader of this huge movement that is disrupting Don Jr. events. It seems suspicious to me.

One of the huge dangers of the left and the massive power that they wield is that they can just about appoint leaders of smaller grass root movements with their media focus. You had a genuine grass roots movement within the GOP of people who wanted to stop massive illegal immigration, wanted to avoid foreign entanglements, stand up to political correctness gone mad, and oppose the GOP establishment who were Democrat-light. So the media says "This is what your movement is, this is who your leader is, Richard Spencer." Donald Trump was there to give them an, albeit flawed, voice and at least some degree of influence on the national stage.

JagerIV said:

Yeah, I remember watching some Richard Spencer back in the day, some of the early days were left wing people would try to talk to him about some topic, which seemed to inevitably end with him looking like the smart person in the room, because they tended not to really have anything besides "racism bad". Any time they got into actual policies, he was basically for every left wing thing you could think of, just for white people. He was also anti USA, and pro EU.

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Imagine that a national SOCIALIST who's left wing shocking.

Lol.

The most important and impactful moment in his life was getting punched in the face.

I literally never, ever, ever, never, ever heard of Richard Spencer before he got punched in the face and the national conversation suddenly became Punch A Nazi. I feel like after that, it was a literal cascade of coverage of all of these White Nationalists seemingly coming out of the woodwork. For the entire leadup to the election, the Mainstream Media was trying to use every canard, including "White Nationalists" to smear Trump but none of it was really sticking or remaining in the national conversation. Like there's a Youtube video showing the montage of Donald Trump repeatedly disavowing David Duke over the decades and the media apparently forgot it all.

But after Richard Spencer was punched in the face, he became a recognizable name and (hurr hurr) face for White Nationalists in America and helped shift the idea that the Alt Right was synonymous with White Nationalism until it did become synonymous with White Nationalism. Before Richard Spencer, people were still making up people to be Nazis or Klanners or trotting out David Duke endlessly like they had been for decades, but now Richard Spencer was more then willing to accept a claim to fame and began his college speaking tours and making public statements and milking his newfound fame for all it was worth and the Mainstream Media was more then happy to cover him and publicize him and as Leftists say in social media amplify his voice. They were complicit in his rise because, just like ShieldWife said, they wanted a face for the scary White Nationalist movement.

If you want to look at whose responsible for the "rise" of White Nationalism in the American Conversation, it's not even Richard Spencer. It's the random 'tard' who punched him in the face and the Leftist media both mainstream and new that elevated him to national prominence in the wake of his singular greatest accomplishment... which was getting punched in the face.

When Time Magazine denotes George Floyd as Person of the Year, 2020... they should go back to 2017 and kick off *searches* The Silence Breakers from the cover of the 2017 Person of the Year and replace them with Richard Spencer. Being publicly victimized is the most decisive way to rise up in America.

I'm not really surprised that a racist identitarian supports the party of racist identitarians.

Lord Invictus said:

I always did get the impression he was a bit of a media creation. In the sense that he wasn’t genuinely committed to the movement.

Someone like Kevin Macdonald or Greg Johnson, or really hell Andrew Anglin strike me as genuine fascists/WNs.

But they don’t provide the sort of media spectacle that can be milked. As their actually you know working for the movement.

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Andrew Anglin is just a conspiracy fruitcake. Greg Johnson is a kind of racist atheist paleocon, and Kevin macdonald is neither WN or Fascist. If you want a genuine Fascist you need to look at guys like Eric Striker and Cultured Thug.

Random Username said:

Lol.

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Have you noticed most if not all Alt Right racists men have the same haircut. Is it standard issue or something they just like having?

AnimalNoodles said:

If you want a genuine Fascist you need to look at guys like Eric Striker and Cultured Thug.

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If anything they strike me as Natsocs. Fascism, whilst related to Nazism, is more of the "reasonable big brother" by comparison to his quite frankly demented sibling. Are there actually any classical Fascists around these days? It feels like (probably with the aid of the media) they've been completely subsumed into Neo-Nazism, which is ironic given how classical Fascists (the Italian ones in particular) detested the Nazis and balked at sending Italy's Jewish population to its death.

Lord Sovereign said:

If anything they strike me as Natsocs. Fascism, whilst related to Nazism, is more of the "reasonable big brother" by comparison to his quite frankly demented sibling. Are there actually any classical Fascists around these days? It feels like (probably with the aid of the media) they've been completely subsumed into Neo-Nazism, which is ironic given how classical Fascists (the Italian ones in particular) detested the Nazis and balked at sending Italy's Jewish population to its death.

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Not only balked Mussolini tool the Austrian to get bent. Only after italy was basically done did he hand them over. Even then it could easily he argued that he had no choice. The Nazis were all that was keeping them afloat towards the end.