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Terthna said:
Now hold on there; I think you're going a bit too far. There's no reason we should abandon the constitution; we merely need to be aware of the realities of conflict, and that we are currently in a struggle for the nation's survival.
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StormEagle said:
I wish I was as optimistic as you. But I do not see the constitution, as we know it, surviving a knife fight with the marxists.
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I think at minimum we are likely to see another Constitutional Convention when this mess is all said and done.

Tech and society are evoloving so fast that new Amendments regarding tech and the net might be necessary, just to preserve the rest.

And as much as I love the Constitution in its current form, I am also not blind to it's limitations is in the face of bad actors in the deep state, entrenched bearucracy, and the new social domian the net has created. There are far worse things than going to a 2nd Republic, ala France, if the other option is a Marxist hellhole.

I hope we are never forced to make that choice, but I fear we may have to.
 
Terthna said:
It's survived worse, and this isn't the first time we've had to beat back the marxist hoards:
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This STILL feels sorta depressing, because I think even if they’re defeated, you will eventually get a resurgence of these types

Hopefully if much of the old media, the old corporations and old organizations like public schools and colleges get defunded or get replaced by homeschooling, online education and trade schools and new companies that aren’t WOKE AF they’ll get more opposition in the future
 
Bacle said:
I think at minimum we are likely to see another Constitutional Convention when this mess is all said and done.

Tech and society are evoloving so fast that new Amendments regarding tech and the net might be necessary, just to preserve the rest.

And as much as I love the Constitution in its current form, I am also not blind to it's limitations is in the face of bad actors in the deep state, entrenched bearucracy, and the new social domian the net has created. There are far worse things than going to a 2nd Republic, ala France, if the other option is a Marxist hellhole.

I hope we are never forced to make that choice, but I fear we may have to.
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I agree; the Constitution is in need of another update. Our current systems have proven incapable of dealing with the realities of the internet age, and certain institutional loopholes are in need of closing.



CarlManvers2019 said:
This STILL feels sorta depressing, because I think even if they’re defeated, you will eventually get a resurgence of these types

Hopefully if much of the old media, the old corporations and old organizations like public schools and colleges get defunded or get replaced by homeschooling, online education and trade schools and new companies that aren’t WOKE AF they’ll get more opposition in the future
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There will always be conflict, in one form or another; what matters is how each generation chooses to deal with it.
 
StormEagle said:
You act like the Democrats will give two shits about the law if they gain power. They will not.
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Sure they will, because if they don't, the Republicans will take them to court, and the Supreme Court will kick their asses.

Just like with what's happened to Trump a lot for not crossing his T's and dotting his I's.
 
Vaermina said:
Sure they will, because if they don't, the Republicans will take them to court, and the Supreme Court will kick their asses.

Just like with what's happened to Trump a lot for not crossing his T's and dotting his I's.
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There's also a chance that if an actual civil war occurs, in-terms of military power, quality will go up against quantity

And said quantity may need commissars to actually fight
 
Bacle said:
I think at minimum we are likely to see another Constitutional Convention when this mess is all said and done.

Tech and society are evoloving so fast that new Amendments regarding tech and the net might be necessary, just to preserve the rest.

And as much as I love the Constitution in its current form, I am also not blind to it's limitations is in the face of bad actors in the deep state, entrenched bearucracy, and the new social domian the net has created. There are far worse things than going to a 2nd Republic, ala France, if the other option is a Marxist hellhole.

I hope we are never forced to make that choice, but I fear we may have to.
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The problem we have right now, is not the limitations of the Constitution, it's that people lack the political will to actually enforce it. The overwhelming majority of the Federal bureaucracy should not, by the terms of the constitution, even exist.

Why would trying a new constitution help when the same problem with our current government has not yet been resolved?
 
LordsFire said:
The problem we have right now, is not the limitations of the Constitution, it's that people lack the political will to actually enforce it. The overwhelming majority of the Federal bureaucracy should not, by the terms of the constitution, even exist.

Why would trying a new constitution help when the same problem with our current government has not yet been resolved?
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A new Constitution, for a new Republic, could incorporate the net and social media realities we face now, while preserving the core and spirit of original Constitution.

Or it could move us to ranked-choice voting, which could depower the two-party system and allow better representation overall.
 
Bacle said:
I think at minimum we are likely to see another Constitutional Convention when this mess is all said and done.

Tech and society are evoloving so fast that new Amendments regarding tech and the net might be necessary, just to preserve the rest.

And as much as I love the Constitution in its current form, I am also not blind to it's limitations is in the face of bad actors in the deep state, entrenched bearucracy, and the new social domian the net has created. There are far worse things than going to a 2nd Republic, ala France, if the other option is a Marxist hellhole.

I hope we are never forced to make that choice, but I fear we may have to.
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Is that going to be a good thing given some of the people sitting at the table nowadays? There are those who would pounce on the opportunity to "update" the Constitution with very, very little love in thier heart for the Founders' visions.
 
LordsFire said:
The problem we have right now, is not the limitations of the Constitution, it's that people lack the political will to actually enforce it. The overwhelming majority of the Federal bureaucracy should not, by the terms of the constitution, even exist.

Why would trying a new constitution help when the same problem with our current government has not yet been resolved?
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First of all, I'm not saying we need a new constitution; I'm saying we could use a few more amendments. You know, those things the founding fathers put provisions into our constitution for, and we have twenty seven of? That clarified, you do have a point that there is a lack of political will in our government to fix things; but Bacle addressed that by prefacing it should be tackled "when this mess is all said and done." Meaning when the current issues with our government are overcome.



Curved_Sw0rd said:
Is that going to be a good thing given some of the people sitting at the table nowadays? There are those who would pounce on the opportunity to "update" the Constitution with very, very little love in thier heart for the Founders' visions.
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Again, he's specifically suggesting that this should be done when those very people are no longer sitting at the table.
 
Lord Invictus said:
Given how divided American politics is, I doubt you could ever get the required votes for a new amendment without say a one party state running things.

Which if said party lost power, the other party would move heaven and earth to repeal said amendments.
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The Democrats will have to either be reformed or replaced as a party; there's basically no other way forward for our political system. Until that happens, the division will simply grow more pronounced over time.
 
Terthna said:
The Democrats will have to either be reformed or replaced as a party; there's basically no other way forward for our political system. Until that happens, the division will simply grow more pronounced over time.
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The Democrats say the same thing about the Republicans.

The reality however is that the Democrats will keep moving to the Left, the Republicans will keep moving to the Right, and eventually both parties will lose the Centrists that make up the majority causing a massive snap back as they are forced to drop their far spectrum extremists.
 
Vaermina said:
The Democrats say the same thing about the Republicans.

The reality however is that the Democrats will keep moving to the Left, the Republicans will keep moving to the Right, and eventually both parties will lose the Centrists that make up the majority causing a massive snap back as they are forced to drop their far spectrum extremists.
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no I've looked at the stats and the republicans actually haven't moved all that far to the right, but the democrats have moved hilariously to the left.
 
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