United States Unidentified Federal Agents conducting unmarked vehicle snatches of protestors in Portland

CarlManvers2019 said:

Problem is, there are too many of them, can you arrest that many people

Would you?

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Threaten to thoroughly audit anyone and any group found to have been part of the riots or suspected of assisting rioters.

Jail time might not scare these types, but I'm betting the IRS can.

This was the de-escalating situation btw before the Feds decided to enforce the law near their property.

Seattle Times said:

But they have been among the most outspoken, combining organizing skills and street savvy in what has evolved into a grueling more-than-40-day marathon for protesters and law enforcement officials who often stay on duty until deep into the early morning hours.

In court filings in U.S. District Court, county officials estimate that damage costs to the Justice Center building, as well as a nearby courthouse that on July 3 had 15 more windows shattered, will exceed $284,000. There have been 140 arson fires, most in trash bins, on the streets or sidewalks. But they also included a May 29 fire inside a first-floor office of the Justice Center, a high-rise that includes a county jail.

In July, protesters have focused more attention on the federal courthouse next to the Justice Center. The U.S. Attorney, in a July 6 filing, charged seven protesters with defacing the building and assaulting federal officers.

Statues also have been defaced with graffiti and damaged.

On July 1 protesters lit fires fueled by plywood and pallets around a downtown Portland landmark — the Elk Fountain — located within sight of the Justice Center where police are based. The damage forced the statue’s removal.

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Mayor Ted Wheeler passive supports all of this.

People do understand that being arrested like this is basically Antifa's wet dream, right? This does nothing at all to solve the problem and makes it worse. They are effectively cheap martyrs. The way to win this is to resort to as little force as possible, and constantly be in the moral superior position. Law enforcement sinking to the oppositions level is a straight up loss.

And this is on top of this just being ugly and wrong. This isn't how America should act.

Abhorsen said:

People do understand that being arrested like this is basically Antifa's wet dream, right? This does nothing at all to solve the problem and makes it worse. They are effectively cheap martyrs. The way to win this is to resort to as little force as possible, and constantly be in the moral superior position. Law enforcement sinking to the oppositions level is a straight up loss.

And this is on top of this just being ugly and wrong. This isn't how America should act.

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How ARE cops supposed to act when their families can be at risk if the Antifa types can track down thier identities?

How are they supposed to act when local gov tells the local cops to stand down and let lawlessness reign, endangering Fed property?

Abhorsen said:

People do understand that being arrested like this is basically Antifa's wet dream, right? This does nothing at all to solve the problem and makes it worse. They are effectively cheap martyrs. The way to win this is to resort to as little force as possible, and constantly be in the moral superior position. Law enforcement sinking to the oppositions level is a straight up loss.

And this is on top of this just being ugly and wrong. This isn't how America should act.

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It doesn't help that those arrested will get bailed out quick and cheap, if the government doesn't do it, those celebrities as well as their parents will

And I doubt even Apple will try suing them for damages and stolen property

Abhorsen said:

People do understand that being arrested like this is basically Antifa's wet dream, right? This does nothing at all to solve the problem and makes it worse. They are effectively cheap martyrs. The way to win this is to resort to as little force as possible, and constantly be in the moral superior position. Law enforcement sinking to the oppositions level is a straight up loss.

And this is on top of this just being ugly and wrong. This isn't how America should act.

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It’d be sinking to the oppositions level if the feds were taking the beating stick to them without provocation. Getting a nice car ride with some friendly gentlemen and a couple hours in a holding cell is small potatoes compared to what Antifa and BLM jackasses have done to the nation.

We are in a culture war with the equivalent, at this point, of the Spanish Communists. These people want you dead, imprisoned, or jobless and your country torn down and destroyed so that their own sick, twisted vision for the country can be realized.

The normalities of civility and rule of law have already begun breaking down because they are aided and abetted from the top by democrat mayors, governors, congressmen, senators, businessmen, celebrities, lawyers, and media corporations.

How long will we continue to play by the rules that our enemies have long since abandoned in their desperate lunge for power? How long will we continue to hold back on these insane, traitorous partisans?

My sense of mercy and fair play have long since dried up. Neither have worked in getting the demonrats to the bargaining table.

Maybe a jackboot on their throats will.

This is a video of the arrest, followed by context of what's going on in Portland. I think the most striking part is a video of a rioters holding the door to a federal building closed as police try to exit. When the police bust through, he attacks them with a hammer, and all of the 'protesters' start screaming "what are you doing to him? Leave him alone!"

It's amazing. This guy assaulted the cops first, and the crowd was watching it happen with their cameras rolling, and yet it's the police's fault for hitting back.

That's why I don't trust that video. It doesn't show what the arrestee was doing thirty seconds before the cops arrested him, and I don't trust the women behind the camera to tell the truth of what happened.

As for the unmarked police car... *Shrugs* if I had to guess, I would say that federal vehicles attract a lot of attention, and rioters tend to run or go incognito when they hear the feds coming. Back in May, Antifa had bicycle scouts to lead riots away from police lines. They might still have runners in places like Portland.

Abhorsen said:

People do understand that being arrested like this is basically Antifa's wet dream, right? This does nothing at all to solve the problem and makes it worse. They are effectively cheap martyrs. The way to win this is to resort to as little force as possible, and constantly be in the moral superior position. Law enforcement sinking to the oppositions level is a straight up loss

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Lol. No, this is not Antifa's wet dream. If it is, it's the sort of sexual fantasy involving handcuffs, midgets and mayonnaise that is only enjoyable so long as it remains a fantasy.

Look at the video I posted. One of the rioters came from Houston, Texas. If he wanted to be arrested and put on trial, he would have rioted in Houston, or gone out to one of the smaller cities in Texas that still votes hard Republican. He came to Portland because Portland will let him get away with arson, assault, and vandalism. The rioters and the thugs in Portland are encouraged to vandalize and terrorize because they know that if they get picked up by police, they'll be out on the streets within the day.

Now that the feds are involved, the equation changes.

So I went back in time and explained the situation to the founding fathers, about how the nation is fucked up and at the end of its life. And all the subversive shit going on, I also said that out of respect for them and the constitution we wouldn’t use anything serious to deal with this problem.

James Madison and George Washington held me down and beat me with a switch like fifty times and told me to go back and tell everyone that the constitution is not a god damn suicide pact, and if the constitution ever did get in the way of the survival of the nation, then obviously the constitution needed to be done away with.

I was being a constitutional literalist utterly in awe, given I thought they would support the moral high ground position of letting the nation die so long as we didn’t disregard their writ and retain the magical moral high ground.

I’m really confused now, Jefferson said that in the situation we find ourselves in, we should maybe not hold ourselves back out of a misguided respect for documents that aren’t preventing destroyers from destroying the nation.

I dunno, using the other side’s methods might like make us like the British or something and also totally ruin liberty.

I said this, and Ben Franklin slapped me so hard I went back 244 years in the future.

StormEagle said:

How long will we continue to play by the rules that our enemies have long since abandoned in their desperate lunge for power? How long will we continue to hold back on these insane, traitorous partisans?

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If we abandon the fundamental principles that define our country's values in the name of victory, we've already lost. If the only way to win is to surrender everything we're fighting for, what's even the point of fighting?

Quirel said:

This is a video of the arrest, followed by context of what's going on in Portland. I think the most striking part is a video of a rioters holding the door to a federal building closed as police try to exit. When the police bust through, he attacks them with a hammer, and all of the 'protesters' start screaming "what are you doing to him? Leave him alone!"

It's amazing. This guy assaulted the cops first, and the crowd was watching it happen with their cameras rolling, and yet it's the police's fault for hitting back.

That's why I don't trust that video. It doesn't show what the arrestee was doing thirty seconds before the cops arrested him, and I don't trust the women behind the camera to tell the truth of what happened.

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Then again, there's also this. The media picked a side a long time ago, and we all know we're getting a biased, anti-fed, pro-protestor story here. There's every reason to suspect there's relevant details we're not hearing. I wouldn't be surprised if the feds are crossing a line here, but in the sense of "slightly overzealous/paranoid" rather than "let's see how hard we can jackboot people without them fighting back" and the media just isn't telling us that part.

Battlegrinder said:

If we abandon the fundamental principles that define our country's values in the name of victory, we've already lost. If the only way to win is to surrender everything we're fighting for, what's even the point of fighting?

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I have no stake in this argument about principles or whatever. But I will say this, this goes beyond country's values. These people are out to destroy families and children and men.

Imo, all boys will be made into Desmond or made trans. Pumped full of esterogen.

Battlegrinder said:

If we abandon the fundamental principles that define our country's values in the name of victory, we've already lost. If the only way to win is to surrender everything we're fighting for, what's even the point of fighting?

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Perhaps to preserve what we can, so if worst happens, we can try to create a 2nd Republic in out of the ashes, ala France.

I want to preserve the Constitution, don't get me wrong. However, preserving the Constitution is running headlong into those who want to burn it all down anyway, and now have top-cover from large parts of the elite and media.

The fact is, we are getting closer to the point of the Constitution being an unenforceable document, if these Antifa types and their allies are not stopped or reined in.

Battlegrinder said:

If we abandon the fundamental principles that define our country's values in the name of victory, we've already lost. If the only way to win is to surrender everything we're fighting for, what's even the point of fighting?

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So we don’t end up being lined up near a ditch somewhere and machined gunned, have our children and family members subjected to brainwashing, and endure God knows how many years of tyranny?

These people would gladly slit your throat, and mine and burn down the country they despise.

If we are unwilling to defend the country using all appropriate means then we may as well book one way plane tickets to Russia.

If the politicians let the police do their job this won't happen.

Random Username said:

If the politicians let the police do their job this won't happen.

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That's a surprisingly simple and VERY legal answer to things

Unfortunately, when even politicians and those associated with them as well as their supporters openly and flagrantly violate the law and make use of numbers and social pressures, people end up too scared to do anything

Antifa is a terrorist group this is how we treat terrorists.

You think this is rought wait until we start following the money and big people start falling.

Cherico said:

Antifa is a terrorist group this is how we treat terrorists.

You think this is rought wait until we start following the money and big people start falling.

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They're now on the terrorist list too so it's the feds following what Bush and Obama pushed into a bill.

Bacle said:

How ARE cops supposed to act when their families can be at risk if the Antifa types can track down thier identities?

How are they supposed to act when local gov tells the local cops to stand down and let lawlessness reign, endangering Fed property?

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Start by labeling the police vans as police vans. Just marking the vans would make this much less suspicious. This is a battle of perception.

StormEagle said:

It’d be sinking to the oppositions level if the feds were taking the beating stick to them without provocation. Getting a nice car ride with some friendly gentlemen and a couple hours in a holding cell is small potatoes compared to what Antifa and BLM jackasses have done to the nation.

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No, this looks really bad, and perceptions are what matters. Also, what the hell is CBP doing here? Unless they are illegal immigrants, I don't get what they are doing.

Quirel said:

Lol. No, this is not Antifa's wet dream. If it is, it's the sort of sexual fantasy involving handcuffs, midgets and mayonnaise that is only enjoyable so long as it remains a fantasy.

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It's not the dream of the Antifa being arrested, but of all the other ones. Just like most martyrs for causes would rather have lived.

Abhorsen said:

Start by labeling the police vans as police vans. Just marking the vans would make this much less suspicious. This is a battle of perception.

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Considering that the perception is that marking a van with police is the same as if you were to add SS lightning bolts to your vehicle and called yourself the Gestapo, perception does not fucking matter anymore. It “looks really bad” when a uniformed cop that announced himself shoots a guy who immediately pulled out a gun and tried to blow his fucking head off. That’s the point we are at now.

Abhorsen said:

Start by labeling the police vans as police vans. Just marking the vans would make this much less suspicious. This is a battle of perception.

No, this looks really bad, and perceptions are what matters. Also, what the hell is CBP doing here? Unless they are illegal immigrants, I don't get what they are doing.

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Worrying about perception is a losing game at this point. Leftist media hacks are outright allies of BLM and Antifa terrorists, and commonly deny or diminish anything and everything that challenges their narrative.

It doesn’t matter what Trump and the GOP do, because the leftists were going to call them nazis and gestapo anyways.

These feds could have gotten out of their cars, identified themselves, arrested these morons, and the media and demonrats would still be screeching about federal abuse of power and Trump wanting to be a dictator.

In short, fuck them. Should honestly count themselves lucky that Trump isn’t actually the monster they paint him as. If he was, a lot of these people would be getting free helicopter rides from Pinochet airlines.

FriedCFour said:

Maybe if local cops weren’t hamstrung and these people actively supported by mayors and DAs of their cities to avoid consequences it wouldn’t have come to this.

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If everyone was armed it wouldn't have come to this either.