LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Perhaps because it looks like cancerous growth devouring the land?
Wow. Talk about hyperbolic language. What do you base this 'cancerous growth' perspective on?
Perhaps because it looks like cancerous growth devouring the land?
Air and satelite photographs.
Um, history has spoken repeatedly about central planning. Spoilers: it ain't pretty.
As for your 'counter example', that's a anecdote. Congrats. There are also people who inherit money, and aren't poor at a young age. But for most people, they don't have much money at 20, then they advance positions over time, and work their way up the ladder.
Um they have been doing what you suggested for 10 years now. And still Parents are steering their kids away from the Trades. Parents for some reason have only pushed College and stigmitized the Trades to the point that even those incentives didn't work.Yes. A far better version of the same solution would be to incentivize people to go down these paths. The government could use tax breaks, grants, or whatever, but a labor corps isn't a solution.
I have friends who knew that they wanted to be Rabbis before they were ten. They buried themselves in the Torah, learned Hebrew with a fiery passion, and still serve their communities. That's the beauty of America; it gives us a chance to chase that dream. We all had parents who fled Europe in the forties for that freedom. Pulling them into a scheme like that proposed would only lead to poor apprentices who quickly went back to their calling at Rabbinical School, and leaving the government (or whoever paid for the training) holding the bill.
Um they have been doing what you suggested for 10 years now. And still Parents are steering their kids away from the Trades. Parents for some reason have only pushed College and stigmitized the Trades to the point that even those incentives didn't work.
That is not BS because unlike you I have actually worked on Contruction sites for 3 years straight. Before my site change. You guys don't have a clue how bad it has gotten. Most of the American Contractors are 10 years younger than me, My Age or 10 years older than me. With the rest being Hispanic. They are having trouble getting young Milleninniels and Gen Z to sign on. And the pay is very competitive. They just won't do it.That's BS. There's arguably still a majority push towards college, but it absolutely is not the only thing being pushed anymore.
The college bubble hasn't finished collapsing yet, but it has started to deflate.
I suspect it's a prestige thing/not wanting their kids to have to deal with absolutely garbage wages/management. I'm one of the few guys under 30 on the shop floor of my company's machine shop, and everyone else is at least 5 years older than me, with the majority being 20 to 30 years older. If it weren't for middle management being garbage (our automatic saw has been busted for a month now and our floor manager wants to just get rid of it, but his boss won't let him), I'd be doing some overtime every now and then (assuming we'd have the material/work orders, which is another mess).That is not BS because unlike you I have actually worked on Contruction sites for 3 years straight. Before my site change. You guys don't have a clue how bad it has gotten. Most of the American Contractors are 10 years younger than me, My Age or 10 years older than me. With the rest being Hispanic. They are having trouble getting young Milleninniels and Gen Z to sign on. And the pay is very competitive. They just won't do it.
That is not BS because unlike you I have actually worked on Contruction sites for 3 years straight. Before my site change. You guys don't have a clue how bad it has gotten. Most of the American Contractors are 10 years younger than me, My Age or 10 years older than me. With the rest being Hispanic. They are having trouble getting young Milleninniels and Gen Z to sign on. And the pay is very competitive. They just won't do it.
I think shop saws are designed to get busted and Managers are trained to ignore the busted saw. It is a conspiracy I tell you.I suspect it's a prestige thing/not wanting their kids to have to deal with absolutely garbage wages/management. I'm one of the few guys under 30 on the shop floor of my company's machine shop, and everyone else is at least 5 years older than me, with the majority being 20 to 30 years older. If it weren't for middle management being garbage (our automatic saw has been busted for a month now and our floor manager wants to just get rid of it, but his boss won't let him), I'd be doing some overtime every now and then (assuming we'd have the material/work orders, which is another mess).
That said, rates that are competitive in the industry itself may not be competitive with office jobs that can get you $45K for sitting on your butt and editing word docs.
Well we need to drill that into the heads of these kids. Because I am having a hard time trying to get some Basement dwelling gamers I know to get off their butts and go to trade school to pay off their College debt. They would rather try and get and office job and not pay off the debt than get an electrician job and pay it off.That's not the point I was contesting. The idea that young people are only pushed into college is what I was contesting.
Yes, there are still shortages in different labor fields. The 'Only college all the time' mentality no longer has total cultural dominance though. It's still stronger than it has any good reason to be, but it's not completely uncontested anymore.
Well we need to drill that into the heads of these kids. Because I am having a hard time trying to get some Basement dwelling gamers I know to get off their butts and go to trade school to pay off their College debt. They would rather try and get and office job and not pay off the debt than get an electrician job and pay it off.
I don't live in a basement but I can be quite lazy when I was still looking for a job but panic on the inside that I will not have a job while playing more games to drown my sorrows.Well we need to drill that into the heads of these kids. Because I am having a hard time trying to get some Basement dwelling gamers I know to get off their butts and go to trade school to pay off their College debt. They would rather try and get and office job and not pay off the debt than get an electrician job and pay it off.
I don't live in a basement but I can be quite lazy when I was still looking for a job but panic on the inside that I will not have a job while playing more games to drown my sorrows.
Nothing beats hard work. I have told this story on SB. But many years ago when I fell on hard times. I worked as a Janitor at interstate rest areas. I worked that job until I found better work. Doing I have found is the best way to open other doors for you to get better things. Just some advice to those who might be in a bind right now.I don't live in a basement but I can be quite lazy when I was still looking for a job but panic on the inside that I will not have a job while playing more games to drown my sorrows.
It's before I found a job. Pay's a different issue but I had opportunities to switch my duties around to get a reality of what it's like.Nothing beats hard work. I have told this story on SB. But many years ago when I fell on hard times. I worked as a Janitor at interstate rest areas. I worked that job until I found better work. Doing I have found is the best way to open other doors for you to get better things. Just some advice to those who might be in a bind right now.
Nothing beats hard work. I have told this story on SB. But many years ago when I fell on hard times. I worked as a Janitor at interstate rest areas. I worked that job until I found better work. Doing I have found is the best way to open other doors for you to get better things. Just some advice to those who might be in a bind right now.
It's before I found a job. Pay's a different issue but I had opportunities to switch my duties around to get a reality of what it's like.
If only there was a way to digitally download job experiences into our heads, we can easily decide our careers.
Um they have been doing what you suggested for 10 years now. And still Parents are steering their kids away from the Trades. Parents for some reason have only pushed College and stigmitized the Trades to the point that even those incentives didn't work.
My Cousin Thomas Green started out as a Carpenter and Brick mason. He is now a multi millionaire and owner of Tristar Builders. He made his millions with trade skills and determination.I work with a lot of younger people, most with college on their minds. Most don't care about any stigma. They want money and opportunity. For a kid with hustle, a good college degree offers money and opportunity around the world. A trade, while reliable, has a ceiling in earnings and opportunity.
My Cousin Thomas Green started out as a Carpenter and Brick mason. He is now a multi millionaire and owner of Tristar Builders. He made his millions with trade skills and determination.
Indeed. That is why I am planning on opening up a small Laundremat business in the next few years. Just ironing out how large I want the business and the best location for the service. People will always need to wash clothes.Frankly, I think the odds of building your own business up are better than trying to climb the corporate ladder these days.
A lot of corporate culture is rotting, in no small part because of over-emphasis on college grads, especially from Ivy League schools whose philosophy has gone to the dogs.