KilroywasNOTHere
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Fair point.Oh? Then how did Abraham know anything about how the rich man had lived?
Fair point.Oh? Then how did Abraham know anything about how the rich man had lived?
you'll find that many would prefer that the 2 never got married in the first place.so you'd rather everyone live in an unhappy marriage rather than maybe go for a better one?
You really hate children don't you?
Divorce destroys kids, leaves many of them mentally and emotionally traumatized and stunted. Most kids who self destruct as adults come from divorces. Most serial killers and spree shooters and troons are raised by single moms or are the result of a female retaining sole custody of the kid. Drug dealers too
And in many cases divorce results in the system weaponizing them as extortion engines against their parents.
All you give a fuck about is the dopamine high of a pair of consenting adults.
Fuck the adults their kids matter more.
Oh, it does work --- for the government and women.Divorce sucks for pretty much every one involved even the women who divorce their husbands because their bored and take all of their stuff end up worse off in the long run.
So you obviously don't want more of it because it results in more criminal activity, in a worse long term economy and pretty much fucks everything.
Well how do you get less of it? One way to do it is to stop subidizing divorce. Get rid of child support and Alimony, don't give single parents welfare. Make it so that if you want to dip from a relationship you pay the fincial cost of it. This will cause divorce to become more rare and more fair.
The current system as is is, is not working its time to change it.
Divorce sucks for pretty much every one involved even the women who divorce their husbands because their bored and take all of their stuff end up worse off in the long run.
So you obviously don't want more of it because it results in more criminal activity, in a worse long term economy and pretty much fucks everything.
Well how do you get less of it? One way to do it is to stop subidizing divorce. Get rid of child support and Alimony, don't give single parents welfare. Make it so that if you want to dip from a relationship you pay the fincial cost of it. This will cause divorce to become more rare and more fair.
The current system as is is, is not working its time to change it.
But even allowing divorce will have kids be punished by having stupid selfish parents.I would just reform "no-fault" divorce. No alimony or child support, period. The one initiating it can only keep that which was theirs before the marriage, and only what the other spouse agrees to. Also, if there are children the one initiating gets only limited visitation while the other spouse has the children living with them, since they are keeping the home, after all. That's how I'd do it, anyway.
Oh, it does work --- for the government and women.
Men, however? Yeah, we can basically go fuck ourselves in their eyes.
But even allowing divorce will have kids be punished by having stupid selfish parents.
Better to not allow it at all I think.
Going to have to disagree with you there, mainly from a liberty-focused view on it. I would argue that being trapped in an unhappy home with a mother and father who don't get along can be damaging to them as well. I'm also not willing to make people miserable in the name of "tradition" the way you and others who are advocating against divorce seem to be. Also, if there are no children your Helen Lovejoy argument has no basis anyway.But even allowing divorce will have kids be punished by having stupid selfish parents.
Better to not allow it at all I think.
Going to have to disagree with you there, mainly from a liberty-focused view on it. I would argue that being trapped in an unhappy home with a mother and father who don't get along can be damaging to them as well. I'm also not willing to make people miserable in the name of "tradition" the way you and others who are advocating against divorce seem to be. Also, if there are no children your Helen Lovejoy argument has no basis anyway.
In what? Ending up in prison? Besides, it isn't really a contest, because, as I said, either is harmful. You're also assuming that the single parent will remain single in the case of divorce. And with my reform, it's statistically unlikely that the mother will be the one to get custody because statistically women are the one to initiate it and with my reform they would only get visitation.Statisically children from abusive homes outcompete the children of single mothers.....
But the trade off from just not allowing it in the first place is better. It’s better for the kids if the parents simply don’t have the option to have a no fault divorce.For women?
In the short run yes, in the long run no, they discover pretty hard that they cant find a better man in their 30s then they found in their 20s, or a better man in their 40s then they got in their 30s. And the ones who get a pay day often waste that money and end up pretty bad off.
For the kids? A quick look at any prison shows you that the children of single mothers do worse in every metric.
For the men well duh we get fucked over the worse obviously.
For the government? Yeah in the short run a bunch of buracrats get to fuck people over for more money. But you have just made society a whole lot less stable, have increased the amount of social spending you are forced to engage with and the children of these broken families eventually grow up realize who fucked them over.
There is a reason why governments historically wanted in tact families. People who like social stability tend to really like it and though they rarely do violence they are very much very fucking good at it.
There will always bee stupid selfish parents because their will always be stupid selfish people. Life is a series of trade offs looking for a perfect solution often blows up in your face. Better off looking for either a decent solution or if thats not available the least bad option.
I actually don’t give a damn about freedom or liberty I’ve seen that argument used so much I’ve ended up hating it and see it as an excuse to be selfish.Going to have to disagree with you there, mainly from a liberty-focused view on it. I would argue that being trapped in an unhappy home with a mother and father who don't get along can be damaging to them as well. I'm also not willing to make people miserable in the name of "tradition" the way you and others who are advocating against divorce seem to be. Also, if there are no children your Helen Lovejoy argument has no basis anyway.
Yeah, you've made this apparent more than once, and frankly it's why I feel I can safely discount your opinion on basically anything.I actually don’t give a damn about freedom or liberty I’ve seen that argument used so much I’ve ended up hating it and see it as an excuse to be selfish.
why not?I'm not saying we should entirely return to the era of only at-fault divorce.
Liberty isn't the only factor to consider here. Care, Fairness, Loyalty, Authority, and Purity are also factors in most peoples moral compass. pretty much only hardcore libertarians only value liberty. that is a small percentage of the total population. examining the other foundations.Going to have to disagree with you there, mainly from a liberty-focused view on it. I would argue that being trapped in an unhappy home with a mother and father who don't get along can be damaging to them as well. I'm also not willing to make people miserable in the name of "tradition" the way you and others who are advocating against divorce seem to be. Also, if there are no children your Helen Lovejoy argument has no basis anyway.
It isn't about muh tradition. it is about the negative outcomes caused by fucking the institution of marriage. If I look at things from a perspective that only cares about outcomes this is such a massive negative externality for everyone. taking away allimony and child support isn't addressing the issue. that destroying a family ruins peoples lives. making it so that there is not a monetary incentive to do it is an improvement sure. it doesn't change that you will still have a bunch of ruined lives causing shit tons of issues that propagate throughout society.Are you guys just ignoring what I said about reforming it?
Eh, whatever, just comes down to a bunch of you wanting to trap people in misery because "muh tradition," and you can't convince me otherwise.