Movies Starship Troopers: The bugs did nothing wrong

ThatZenoGuy said:
The mormons were present on the planet for six months before the 'bugs' attacked, this is unlikely as the bugs are shown to be particularly hostile and animalistic, they would've all died in the first week, probably the first day really. And yet we're expected to believe they lasted six months when trained soldiers can barely survive a night on their planets? Something doesn't add up!
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In my experience Mormons are pretty nice to their new neighbors for like six months or so until they find out you won't convert.

Chances are the Bugs and Mormons had cordial relations until the Bugs made it clear they weren't interested in converting to Mormonism.

But Mormons gotta Mormon so they probably kept sending out missionaries or maybe even tried to do a Mountain Meadows Massacre thing and abduct some orphaned larva. We will never know. Regardless the Bugs responded with extermination.

Ultimately it was a disproportionate response on their part regardless of their legitimate but still loathsome bug grievances
 
Today's Know Your Foe Update

Across the Federation, scientist are doing their part to analyzing the Arachnid species and its motives. For to understand the Bug is to defeat the Bug.

Intelligence Officer Carl peered up from the half dissected, gooey remains of the bug in front of him to stare the recording camera. The young officer looking the right amount of official with his goggles and white lab coat and disarmingly goofy to make him the most trustworthy and approachable according to Federation analysis.

"The common Arkellian sand beetle." He smiled indicating the bug laying on the tray in front of him." Common to school science labs across half the galaxy but what if I told you he's just revealed secrets about his larger cousins in Arachnid space?"

Carl put down a noticeably unused scalpel he'd moments before been about to use on the alien corpse and instead picked up a clipboard allowing the contents of very scientific jargon to be observed by the camera as he walked in front of it to flick on a holoprojector. Three different simulacrums springing from the glowing emitter to hover in the middle of the air. One an image of a dissected sand beetle identical to the one Carl had started with, another showed an equally flayed open Chariot beetle extracted from Planet P and a third showed the wizened, mummified remains of a third, similar insect.

"The commonalities between the common sand beetle and the organisms captured alongside the Brain bug have always puzzled Federation scientists however on a recent excavation deep within the Quarantine Zone has offered some intriguing new insights." He said gesturing to the mummified bug." Magnum Insectum Coleoptera. This tough little critter was skittering around back before Dinosaurs even evolved here on Earth. More importantly it predates archeological evidence of Arachnid infestation, the first traces of spores uncovered only date back a mere nine hundred thousand years."

Carl then walked off from the holoprojector, the camera following him, as he handed the clipboard to another white coat-clad scientist to, presumably, do very scientific things off screen as he led the audience through a futuristic and advance lab filled with the latest technology available to human minds.

"The amazing biodiversity and morphology among the Arachnid caste members, despite share numerous genetic markers indicating a close genetic relationship, could be explained by our little friend here. Researchers now believe Magnum Insectum Coleoptera is the common ancestor of both extant species, one whose genetic make-up was assimilated by the Arachnid Hive when it colonized the planet destroyed all native life beyond those utilized for food sources and subsequently the sand beetle are a result of a failed colonization attempt which didn't take roughly twenty to twenty-five thousand years ago. The hardy sand beetles surviving and adapting as a singular species in the integrum." Carl observed as he stopped and looked speaking into the camera." We now believe this is part of the natural "evolution" of the Arachnids and their invasive lifestyle of sending egg-laden spores to distant worlds overwhelming and colonizing the planet and forcefully absorbing those species found most useful into their collective. Who knows, in a few years maybe we'll start seeing human-insectoid mutants as they attempt to better understand us, their foe. Regardless this creates a biological arms race in which we're perpetually in competition with to build better weapons, more advanced technologies and effective tactics. The scientists here in research and development are doing their part, are you?"

Would you like to know more?
 
ThatZenoGuy said:
The bugs have weapons that barely make it into high orbit, we have rocketry that outclasses their bugs by an order of magnitude.
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How long would it take to calculate all the details of the trajecory, and fire said missiles? How about flight time? We're not even close. No IRL rocketry could hit such a target without being seen minutes or hours earlier, and being dodged. All of this not noticing they can biologicaly create plasma, and we're not even close to being able to use that as a close range weapon.


The idea the bugs are lowtech is just silly.
 
Simonbob said:
How long would it take to calculate all the details of the trajecory, and fire said missiles? How about flight time? We're not even close. No IRL rocketry could hit such a target without being seen minutes or hours earlier, and being dodged. All of this not noticing they can biologicaly create plasma, and we're not even close to being able to use that as a close range weapon.
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We can land probes on planets on any planet in our solar system with a pretty damned huge chance of success. Bugs require hundreds perhaps even thousands or tens of thousands of launches to do the same thing.
 
Carrot of Truth said:
The Sky Marshal stepping down would be more like Hitler himself stepping down from power after operation Barbarossa goes south. Its just not really analogous, The Federation more closely resembles the Roman Republic than any sort of fascist state.
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Hitler was the political leader and military leader, the Sky Marshal is basically more like a Secretary of Defense, under the political council.
It's kinda more like Goering stepping down after the battle of Britain.
 
ThatZenoGuy said:
We can land probes on planets on any planet in our solar system with a pretty damned huge chance of success. Bugs require hundreds perhaps even thousands or tens of thousands of launches to do the same thing.
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From the movie?

The mere fact there was accurate ground fire with unguided plasma fire that hit, and destroyed warships in orbit, tells us the bugs have a reason to need anti-starship weapons, experience with that sort of senario (you never get a working mass production unit, first time), and given the size of those bugs must have had them prepped. A blue whale's about the same size, and they take 8-10 years to grow to sexual maturity.


Now, having them, I'll buy, on the same basis of us having defensive forces. But, working anti-orbital weaponry isn't something you just do. It takes time, resorces, more tech than we have right now, and enough info to know the how and why of any incoming enemy.

They knew the humans were coming.





Seperate note? When the main guy plus sides join the Roughnecks, The talk about where they've been, besides "The big K". The Roughnecks say

BIRDIE
Outer rings. Zegema Beach.

JOHNNY
I always wanted to go to Zegema Beach.

SUGAR WATKINS
Good luck. It's not there anymore.



Straight from the script. I don't know where the Outer rings or Zegema beach is, but it's not in the same system as Klendathu, that's for sure.

Heck, now I'm looking a little more, Johnny's dad offered him a expensive holiday on Zegema beach, so it's got to be a paradise world out there somewhere. That the bugs attacked and took.
 
Simonbob said:
From the movie?

The mere fact there was accurate ground fire with unguided plasma fire that hit, and destroyed warships in orbit, tells us the bugs have a reason to need anti-starship weapons, experience with that sort of senario (you never get a working mass production unit, first time), and given the size of those bugs must have had them prepped. A blue whale's about the same size, and they take 8-10 years to grow to sexual maturity.
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They weren't accurate at all. They had to blanket the entire orbit with shots which you basically flew into. Not to mention that's their homeworld with the highest population of bugs which have been there for millions of years.
Give humanity a couple million years of development and we could provide an anti-orbital weapon system that outclasses them dramatically. Hell I reckon we could pull it off within 500 years.

Simonbob said:
Seperate note? When the main guy plus sides join the Roughnecks, The talk about where they've been, besides "The big K". The Roughnecks say

BIRDIE
Outer rings. Zegema Beach.

JOHNNY
I always wanted to go to Zegema Beach.

SUGAR WATKINS
Good luck. It's not there anymore.



Straight from the script. I don't know where the Outer rings or Zegema beach is, but it's not in the same system as Klendathu, that's for sure.

Heck, now I'm looking a little more, Johnny's dad offered him a expensive holiday on Zegema beach, so it's got to be a paradise world out there somewhere. That the bugs attacked and took.
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There's no indication the bugs were there, could just be another false flag which is what they tend to enjoy doing. If there was in fact bugs there, why not show them? Instead we hear a rumor from somebody who might've not even been there.
Why would a popular resort planet suddenly have bugs all over the place when the war has only been active for a few days, maybe only a couple weeks? Bugs are quick to reproduce but not THAT quick.
 
ThatZenoGuy said:
There's no indication the bugs were there, could just be another false flag which is what they tend to enjoy doing. If there was in fact bugs there, why not show them? Instead we hear a rumor from somebody who might've not even been there.
Why would a popular resort planet suddenly have bugs all over the place when the war has only been active for a few days, maybe only a couple weeks? Bugs are quick to reproduce but not THAT quick.
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No, the Roughnecks say they fought in Klendathu, the Outer rings and Zegema Beach. All three, and there's no mention of any other war.

They fought on Zegema Beach. Human paradise world. And lost it to the bugs.
 
Simonbob said:
No, the Roughnecks say they fought in Klendathu, the Outer rings and Zegema Beach. All three, and there's no mention of any other war.

They fought on Zegema Beach. Human paradise world. And lost it to the bugs.
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Sounds like it was already a bug planet to me. Maybe they shouldn't colonize planets on the other side of the galaxy lmao.
 
Carrot of Truth said:
The first film was written by an actual communist
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Seriously where are you getting that from?

Ed Neumeier doesn't seem to have any profound political positions, Heinlein described himself as a Libertarian, and Verhoeven is defined by his Anti-Fascism. Growing up in Nazi Occupied Holland will do that to you.
 
I've been watching this thread for a while reading the back and forth, and right now...
@ThatZenoGuy sounds a lot like this...

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The Whispering Monk said:
I've been watching this thread for a while reading the back and forth, and right now...
@ThatZenoGuy sounds a lot like this...

iu
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I mean, its just amusing that people take the very-riduculous propaganda of the film seriously.
It'd be like watching CNN right now and taking it at face value. That's not what you're supposed to do in the film.
I mean one of them has kids stepping on normal cockroaches as if it's a heroic act, with their teacher acting hysterical and loony.
 
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