Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

StormEagle said:
….Why didn’t the west set them up in Madagascar after the war?

I know, I know ancestral homelands and all that, but surely that would have been a better alternative to being surrounded on all sides by people that hate them.

Or, why didn’t we just carve off a piece of Canada or the US? Washington wouldn’t have exactly been a tremendous loss.

Hell, the British probably could have given them New Zealand, right?

Why, by all that is holy, did the post war west think putting Jews next to Arabs was a good idea?
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Well displacing the Malaygasy people is probably just as unjustified as displacing Palestinians if we go with that angle. Plus there were already lots of Israelis/Jews in Palestine by the time.

There are very few places to create new Homelands for people and I guess they figured Palestine made the most sense because of the historical ties and the number of Jews there plus all of the Jewish/Zionist Lobbying... and terrorism.

Bits of Canada or the United States would've been part of those countries I guess and not a Jewish State. Plus the Colonial Powers of the time weren't going to give up their territory. They're already going through decolonization. Surely they can use one of those soon to be lost territories and then bail after they set everything up. :p


Sounds like a good topic for the Alternate History forum to be honest. I'm sure it's already been done in some form.
 
StormEagle said:
….Why didn’t the west set them up in Madagascar after the war?

I know, I know ancestral homelands and all that, but surely that would have been a better alternative to being surrounded on all sides by people that hate them.

Or, why didn’t we just carve off a piece of Canada or the US? Washington wouldn’t have exactly been a tremendous loss.

Hell, the British probably could have given them New Zealand, right?

Why, by all that is holy, did the post war west think putting Jews next to Arabs was a good idea?
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They tried that. It was called the Madagascar Plan, and that was actually being set up before and during WWII. Only problem is that Britannia ruled the waves, making such project impossible. Then again, the Malagasy would be the ones having to put up with a large number of Jews instead of Arabs.
 
TheRejectionist said:
for some reason they want them to be deported to Europe?
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AnimalNoodles said:
wtf
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ThatZenoGuy said:
>Arabs in Israel D;<<<
>Arabs in Europe <<<;D
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Marduk said:
Seems to me like we are missing some backstory. From what little i know of these guys they are some hard Israeli right...
And lemme tell you, there are reasons why those are not huge fans of Europe in generality, and not for some conspiracy theory stuff... but for broadly the same kind of shit why European countries have highly emotional spats over migration issues between each other. Except it's something seen half seriously (unfortunately) among Europeans, while Israelis the threat is seen as far more real and serious, current events being a point in case.
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This is the shit that pisses them off, and understandably so.
We shit on Germany (and expectedly enough, often other governments that show up in the above link) for supporting the migrant ferry boat NGOs for similar reason.
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TheRejectionist said:
OK and...? I am not responsable for their situation. I have little to no power in what stupid leftists do...If they want to send them to our continet they can still fuck off, just as I would tell the German political elite. If Israel wants a dumping ground they have their neighbors and had already the habit of doing so...
Not to mention they had been aiding the so called Syrian islamist opposition, one of the reasons why we have a problem with migration to begin with. So Israel can resolve the situation it created on its own. This is just karma biting back in a way. I am not going to accept them being detrimental to the Mediterranean and the rest fo Europe just because the problem they themselves made.
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DarthOne said:
And as we’ve seen at least a few Israelis are willing to ship them into Europe or elsewhere and make them problems for the rest of us.
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I understand, though morally disprove of their logic. The primary limiting factor preventing Israel from simply winning their war by killing or exiling their enemies is the court of public opinion in Europe and America. If, however, Europeans and Americans had firsthand understanding of why Israel wanted their enemies gone and loss of sympathy with said enemies, that ceases to be a problem.
 
Bassoe said:
I understand, though morally disprove of their logic. The primary limiting factor preventing Israel from simply winning their war by killing or exiling their enemies is the court of public opinion in Europe and America. If, however, Europeans and Americans had firsthand understanding of why Israel wanted their enemies gone and loss of sympathy with said enemies, that ceases to be a problem.
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Honestly at this point I think we should let Israel do what it wants and let them deal with whatever fallout comes. Sticking our noses in and insisting on what needs to be done hasn’t helped them or the Middle East.

Plus, staying out of it means there’s less chance the the USA will be dragged back over to fight in that damn mess of a region again.
 
DarthOne said:
Honestly at this point I think we should let Israel do what it wants and let them deal with whatever fallout comes. Sticking our noses in and insisting on what needs to be done hasn’t helped them or the Middle East.

Plus, staying out of it means there’s less chance the the USA will be dragged back over to fight in that damn mess of a region again.
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All we've managed to accomplish is trying to find a peaceful solution is more suffering and death; just spread out enough over the course of decades, so that the people letting it happen can continue to pretend that they are without sin.
 
Terthna said:
All we've managed to accomplish is trying to find a peaceful solution is more suffering and death; just spread out enough over the course of decades, so that the people letting it happen can continue to pretend that they are without sin.
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Pretty much. At this point, I wash my hands of the whole mess and want the USA to stay out of this mess unless it itself is directly attacked or threatened.


…which probably means that will happen any day now with the intelligence agencies looking the other way. I have zero faith in the establishment not to do that.
 
Bacle said:
I think Israel is unlikely to get any hostages back alive that aren't rescued by SF teams, and even then Hamas is likley going to kill most hostages rather than let them go, as Israel has said there will be no more talking with Hamas.
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Sadly the hostages have probably already been murdered. You assume they don't already have the footage ready for release in the next few hours or days as "look at what Evil Israel made us do!" propaganda.

Egypt has failed to get the hostage release they already attempted to negotiate, and at any rate some kind of SF raid to release hostages is vanishingly unlikely to succeed given how densely packed Gaza is, how many hostages there are, and how they're dispersed throughout the city.
 
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Bassoe said:
I understand, though morally disprove of their logic. The primary limiting factor preventing Israel from simply winning their war by killing or exiling their enemies is the court of public opinion in Europe and America. If, however, Europeans and Americans had firsthand understanding of why Israel wanted their enemies gone and loss of sympathy with said enemies, that ceases to be a problem.
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This is why I think there is a decent chance that israel will put them on boats to europe.

EU will condemn israel and threaten sending peacekeepers to stop israel from harming the poor palestinians. which could potentially result in "solving" the problem by shipping them theere.

Meanwhile merkle and the other EU oligarchs will be very happy at getting another weapon for their plan to genocide the whites population of europe with.
 
Aldarion said:

- offers a good point-by-point overview

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“Hamas at the very least does not want conflict resolution, as a permanent state of war allows it to stay in power.”

That is a given the two times the Palestinians and Israel came close to a deal the Palestinians said “Nope we want more”.

The same reason money from the Arab states has started to trickle in compared to the past. ….. Plus being cozy with Iran makes many people unhappy.
 
mrttao said:
People have been warning about the need for self defense for decades.
The satanic pedophiles ruling class just does not care about the suffering of the commoners. Or how they are being terrorized by the arab mafia (they burn down businesses who won't pay protection. and the police refuse to go after them because they are based in "arab villages". police will arrest you for gun possession / militia if you try to fight back).

There was literally a party in israel that tried to advocate for giving israel a copy of the 1st and 2nd amendment of the usa.
the govt and news declared them to be "jewish nazies" and threw them in jail, and made them an illegal party, ineligible for being voted for.

Israel also had no real govt for almost a decade now as it is too splintered between the muslim party, the jewish god fearing party (haredi), the woke cultists, the green cultists, the communists, labor, and a few others who just cannot agree to come together on anything. Not to mention the oligarchs.
And they all insist that they simply cannot just vote on a case by case basis, they refuse, they must secure a coalition of parties that secures a seat majority or else they keep on throwing a tantrum.
The muslim party btw are a total 5th column.
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I don’t know much but Israel probably should have something like the second amendment. But to be fair to Israel them copying Americas 1st amendment would be very dumb seperation of church and state is stupid in some areas where certain important buildings are.

But honestly what the fuck is wrong with the Palestinians starting a fight isn’t going to help them. And taking foreign hostages will really make them unpopular.
 
Battlegrinder said:
Ok, then what is Israel supposed to do? Because they've tried negotiating for decades to no avail, and they've tried to just maintain the status quo and keep things from boiling over and gotten nothing but constant attacks for their trouble.

At this point, I don't see any choices other than just pounding Gaza flat until the Palestinians are broken of their resolve and admit that this is war they cannot win and accept whatever deal the Israelis offer them.
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Yup this is the only way I see peace happening Israel has to beat the Palestinians till they are smart enough to be scared and beg for peace.

Bacle said:
Render Hamas extinct, and any Palestinians who don't want to be labelled Hamas can either leave for Egypt or go to the West Bank under the less genocidal Palestinian Authority.

But anyone who is a Hamas member is either going to end up dead or in jail for a long time.
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So you are supporting ethnic cleansing and those Palestinians who refuse to leave their homes and what let their land be annexed are Hamas? God this is just pathetic neo shill
I understand destroying Hamas but you jerking off to expelling the Palestinians from their land is disgusting.
 
King Arts said:
So you are supporting ethnic cleansing and those Palestinians who refuse to leave their homes and what let their land be annexed are Hamas? God this is just pathetic neo shill
I understand destroying Hamas but you jerking off to expelling the Palestinians from their land is disgusting.
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Destroying Hamas is going to require taking full control of Gaza, and the Gaza Strip is going to end up absorbed into Israel.

Israel and the world have tried to reason with Hamas and their voters/human shields/fodder in the Gaza Strip, and it has always failed. Israel even left in 2008 in a show of good will and tried to let Gaza self-govern for a while; the citizens elected Hamas, which should tell you their mindset.

Also, there is not 'state' of Palestine, their are arabs the neighboring countries have puch into those areas and labelled 'Palestinians' as a catspaw against Israel. Letting any Gaza citizen who is not part of or supporting Hamas head to Egypt or the West Bank is being 'nice'.

Gaza by land area is barely the size of Lansing, Michigan, and there is no reason for Israel to let it continue as they have; absorbing Gaza completely into Israel and removing anyone connected to Hamas an shift the non-Hamas folks to the West Bank or Egypt is less risky in the long run for Israel.

Also, the Neo-cons have been proven right about Russia, Iran, the jihadi's in Hamas and Hezbollah; so calling me a neo-con for no longer believing in isolationist illusions is not something I take as an insult.
 
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