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Terthna said:
Let's be honest here though; there is no appreciable difference between a Republican controlled House, and a Democrat controlled one. The Republicans controlled the House, the Senate, and the Presidency for the first two years Trump was in office, and they accomplished nothing. The Democrats, meanwhile, mostly ended up getting what they wanted anyways during that period; with their only opposition being Trump himself. So if we do end up with a Democrat speaker as a result of this, nothing will change; because McCarthy is a Democrat in all but name.
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This is completely untrue. The most important thing that a Republican speaker does is block Democrat bills from being voted on. With margins as thin as they are in the house the left might be able to pass all sort of horrible legislation with only a few Republican defectors.

Amnesty, gun control, and nationalizing elections could all be on the table if the Democrats take the house. And it's entirely possible for some of those things to pass in the senate.

Not to mention all of the inquires into Joe Biden's corruption that would stop just as they were starting to gain traction.

Maybe ousting McCarthy might be useful if we had another twenty seats in the house, but we don't. Instead all we'll get are weeks of Republicans thrashing around and fighting each other while they should be working on a plan to avert a government shutdown. Which would ruin our chances in the upcoming Virginia state elections and possibly lose the house in 2024.
 
Bacle said:
I mean that would be hilarious and I'm all for it, if the GOP actually wants to make it happen
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The Whispering Monk said:
I mean, that's perfectly legit. Speaker doesn't have to be an elected House Rep.
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If that actually succeded by some miracle, I could see Trump potentially refusing on the off chance they impeach Biden it'll look like he's actually trying to stage a coup.

Granted that would be but a totally legal one that's basically working within the frameworks of the constitution.
 
Terthna said:
Let's be honest here though; there is no appreciable difference between a Republican controlled House, and a Democrat controlled one. The Republicans controlled the House, the Senate, and the Presidency for the first two years Trump was in office, and they accomplished nothing. The Democrats, meanwhile, mostly ended up getting what they wanted anyways during that period; with their only opposition being Trump himself. So if we do end up with a Democrat speaker as a result of this, nothing will change; because McCarthy is a Democrat in all but name.
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That defeatist attitude is how this bullshit can keep happening, If we immediately voted them out like here today anytime they pulled some bullshit this would not be the case.
 
ParadiseLost said:
I think that also tends to play into why liberals are so upset by self defense of civilians or police. I think a lot of college liberals genuinely believe they could talk down an angry 6' dude high on drugs that increase aggression and lower inhibitions.
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Even funnier/sadder:

If there's a multiverse, there's probably an alternate universe where Ryan was a beat cop and he's now getting shat on for putting an innocent black man in the ground.

I wonder how most liberals would react to the suggestion of, 'what if instead of Ryan meeting that guy, it had been an armed cop walking home late at night? do you think it would've been wrong for the cop to shoot the guy?'
 
TyrantTriumphant said:
This is completely untrue. The most important thing that a Republican speaker does is block Democrat bills from being voted on. With margins as thin as they are in the house the left might be able to pass all sort of horrible legislation with only a few Republican defectors.

Amnesty, gun control, and nationalizing elections could all be on the table if the Democrats take the house. And it's entirely possible for some of those things to pass in the senate.

Not to mention all of the inquires into Joe Biden's corruption that would stop just as they were starting to gain traction.

Maybe ousting McCarthy might be useful if we had another twenty seats in the house, but we don't. Instead all we'll get are weeks of Republicans thrashing around and fighting each other while they should be working on a plan to avert a government shutdown. Which would ruin our chances in the upcoming Virginia state elections and possibly lose the house in 2024.
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Please; that plan always ends up being giving the Democrats everything they want, which is going to ruin your chances anyways. As for the Republican party's track record; sure, they may block many Democrat bills, but eventually they always end up getting through somehow, even when they have the majority.


Carrot of Truth said:
That defeatist attitude is how this bullshit can keep happening, If we immediately voted them out like here today anytime they pulled some bullshit this would not be the case.
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I'm not being defeatist; I'm just reiterating that the Republican establishment are not our friends, and scrambling to defend a RINO like McCarthy in the name of "party unity" is outright delusional.
 
Terthna said:
Please; that plan always ends up being giving the Democrats everything they want, which is going to ruin your chances anyways. As for the Republican party's track record; sure, they may block many Democrat bills, but eventually they always end up getting through somehow, even when they have the majority.



I'm not being defeatist; I'm just reiterating that the Republican establishment are not our friends, and scrambling to defend a RINO like McCarthy in the name of "party unity" is outright delusional.
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McCarthy was given terms and agreed to terms in order to get his position.

He broke his word and now he gets to experience conquences, this is yes going to be painful but the republican establishment has over seen failure after failure and the conquences of that was always going to be their removal. Some thing like this was envitable is it good or bad? I do not know but it is action reaction and the next republican speaker best remember this.
 
Oh really, than why are we still allowed to have guns, why have elections not been federalized, and why haven't all illegal aliens been given amnesty?

Because the Republicans have maintained enough power within Congress to prevent the left from pushing through their full agenda.

And while the left has been gaining ground there are core parts of their agenda that they have never been able to enact. And keep in mind that they've been trying for some of these things for decades. These things have only been stopped by Republicans in Congress, as weak as they often are.

All of the horrible things that the Democrats have been doing, that is without total control of the government. I really do not want to see what the left will do without any constraints on their actions. Forget McCarthy, I'd be willing to work with Liz Cheney if that's what it took to prevent total leftist rule from coming to pass.
 
It really feels like you have it backwards.

Republicans like Liz and Mccarthy are how the left has gotten so far to begin with. They neutered any decent opposition and compromised so much with the left that they have gotten nearly everything they wanted.

If it weren't for Trump beating Hillary and the Supreme Court having a (more or less) conservative majority we wouldn't have a country anymore. They would have everything.
 
Carrot of Truth said:
That defeatist attitude is how this bullshit can keep happening, If we immediately voted them out like here today anytime they pulled some bullshit this would not be the case.
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Removing a traitor who is blatantly and overwhelmingly on the side of the enemy is not a defeatist attitude.
Being afraid to remove the traitor because "what if he gets replaced with someone worse" is the defeatist attitude.
 
Bigking321 said:
It really feels like you have it backwards.

Republicans like Liz and Mccarthy are how the left has gotten so far to begin with. They neutered any decent opposition and compromised so much with the left that they have gotten nearly everything they wanted.

If it weren't for Trump beating Hillary and the Supreme Court having a (more or less) conservative majority we wouldn't have a country anymore. They would have everything.
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While the establishment is indeed responsible for many of our current woes, that does not change the position we find ourselves in. We do not have enough people in congress for serious gains at this time.

McCarthy may not be as conservative as I would like but he's the best that can be done for now. He is in fact, a vast improvement on the last few Republican Speakers we've had. I remember Paul Ryan and John Boehner.

It was a good idea to get rid of Cheney because she was from a safe Republican district. Wyoming could do better than her. But that is not the case everywhere. Plenty of Republican congressmen are not very conservative because their constituents are not very conservative. Replacing them would be counterproductive because their voters would not tolerate anyone more right wing than them. And those congressmen will not tolerate the kind of speaker that Gaetz is demanding.

If the Democrats are to be stopped from taking over the entire country than we have to make decisions based on how things are, not the way be want them to be. We do not have the seats in the house to get significant concessions from the Democrats. Many districts will not vote in hard-line conservatives. These are the facts and we have to deal with them.
 
ParadiseLost said:
This is the sort of shit that makes me feel like humans aren't properly calibrated in how to respond to danger these days.

I remember recently about a case where a teenager had shot at three teenage brothers with a gel gun and then got beaten to death. And while that's disproportionate, in a neighborhood with a lot of crime? You should know better than to pull shit like that, dude.

I think that also tends to play into why liberals are so upset by self defense of civilians or police. I think a lot of college liberals genuinely believe they could talk down an angry 6' dude high on drugs that increase aggression and lower inhibitions.

I think part of it comes down to not understanding just how fast things can go to shit if someone with strongly violent intent is just throwing fists, let alone has a knife.

In the video, it actually looks like the killer was trying to break into someones car down the street - and clearly being loud about it - and it looks like Ryan actually went over (and brought his girlfriend with him!) to... intervene? Check shit out?

Again, not calibrated in terms of how to respond to danger. You aren't a cop, there's nobody in that car, you aren't responsible for that cars safety - walk away a bit, and call the police about vandalism/theft, if you really wanna be a responsible citizen. Its not your fucking job to help druggies trying to commit theft at 2 AM deal with their personal issues.

Then the dude is completely shocked that the guy responds violently to the interruption, and things just get worse from there as Ryan keeps trying to reason with a dude who is in no way going to respond to reason.
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Most liberals and Lefties do things which go against common-sense and earn Darwin Awards, anyway.

They naively believe that humans aren't... well, humans, and then they act shocked when human nature not only proves them completely wrong, but basically ass-fucks them and their ideals into the literal grave.
 
ParadiseLost said:
This is the sort of shit that makes me feel like humans aren't properly calibrated in how to respond to danger these days.

I remember recently about a case where a teenager had shot at three teenage brothers with a gel gun and then got beaten to death. And while that's disproportionate, in a neighborhood with a lot of crime? You should know better than to pull shit like that, dude.

I think that also tends to play into why liberals are so upset by self defense of civilians or police. I think a lot of college liberals genuinely believe they could talk down an angry 6' dude high on drugs that increase aggression and lower inhibitions.

I think part of it comes down to not understanding just how fast things can go to shit if someone with strongly violent intent is just throwing fists, let alone has a knife.

In the video, it actually looks like the killer was trying to break into someones car down the street - and clearly being loud about it - and it looks like Ryan actually went over (and brought his girlfriend with him!) to... intervene? Check shit out?

Again, not calibrated in terms of how to respond to danger. You aren't a cop, there's nobody in that car, you aren't responsible for that cars safety - walk away a bit, and call the police about vandalism/theft, if you really wanna be a responsible citizen. Its not your fucking job to help druggies trying to commit theft at 2 AM deal with their personal issues.

Then the dude is completely shocked that the guy responds violently to the interruption, and things just get worse from there as Ryan keeps trying to reason with a dude who is in no way going to respond to reason.
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Oh, people's threat responses are completely obliterated nowadays. They're sheep people, sheeple.
You and I see a feral black person breaking into a car, something to stay a mile away from.
THEY see a helpless 19+ year old child who needs help, resources, and possibly his wife offered to him.
 
ThatZenoGuy said:
Oh, people's threat responses are completely obliterated nowadays. They're sheep people, sheeple.
You and I see a feral black person breaking into a car, something to stay a mile away from.
THEY see a helpless 19+ year old child who needs help, resources, and possibly his wife offered to him.
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Okay, I have to admit that made me openly laugh.

"He didn' du nuthin'!"
 
Carrot of Truth said:
I always forget that electronics generally do have some small amount of gold in them.
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It's actually a big part of salvaging -- when that e-waste gets shipped off to some Third World shithole to be "recycled" in open-aired pits, kids literally dig out all the tiny pieces of valuable metals, like gold, copper, silver, et cetera.

IIRC junkyards also do it with electronics, too.
 
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