The Americas The Tyranny of Trudeau's Canada

Canadian citizens are suffering quite a bit now from the news blackout.


Since neither Google nor Facebook will share any Canadian news articles over the fees Canada wanted to charge for them, people who get their news from the Internet are unable to track the wildfires nor find safe locations or any news about what's going on around them. Canadian politicians have condemned this as reckless while doing nothing to change the laws involved.
 
Canadian citizens are suffering quite a bit now from the news blackout.


Since neither Google nor Facebook will share any Canadian news articles over the fees Canada wanted to charge for them, people who get their news from the Internet are unable to track the wildfires nor find safe locations or any news about what's going on around them. Canadian politicians have condemned this as reckless while doing nothing to change the laws involved.
The solution is obviously more government control.
 
You know, I hadn't thought about this potential consequence, but it's a hell of a thing.

I wonder if Trudeau et al will dare to admit they were wrong.
 
Eh. this is just the tech cartels thinking they are untouchable.
I give it good odds that the Canadian dictators will try to save face by giving the tech cartels a smackdown.
Not certain though.
 
I’m mean I don’t like defending the tech companies but how exactly is canada supposed to do anything to them? If any country makes it more trouble than it’s worth to do business in them the business can just leave or shut of service. The Canadian law the tech companies have a problem with is super dumb any way
 
I’m mean I don’t like defending the tech companies but how exactly is canada supposed to do anything to them? If any country makes it more trouble than it’s worth to do business in them the business can just leave or shut of service. The Canadian law the tech companies have a problem with is super dumb any way
1. the tech cartels want canada, it is important to them to control ever more countries. Both for profit and for power.

2. Govt can impose fines bigger than the taxes they are trying to evade

3. Canada and USA have extradition treaty. so canada can absolutely go after owners of tech cartels and have them extradited to stand trial in canada.

4. if the tech cartel fully leaves canada, canada can seize its canadian assets, revoke its patents, and release its source code. or use it to create govt controlled and owned clone.

5. even if canada is not willing to go after google directly. they can absolutely just pick open source software to make their own local alternative backed by the govt to offer those services to the canadian consumer. And would probably be very happy to. As it gives them china like control over social media.

basically, canada has all the control here. ... in theory.

In practice the bigger question though is what rules the deep state has over it.
would canadian oligarchs playing hardball with google, a tool of the western oligarchy, result in them turning on him or not.
 



Basically things in canada are fucked and Wokeness has made it happen.

Canada has always lacked the population mass to create a multipolar federation the way to US has. In America, if one of the power poles goes too far out of wack the others rebel, either actively or passively. See the way red or blue states sulk when a president they don't like is in power. In Canada functionally all power rests along the St. Lawrence, both economic and political. The Prairies, Maritimes, Northern Territories, and West Coast can struggle and complain all they like, but at the end of the day they are vassals of the Canadian core and their political power is token at best.

Canadian leadership uses the population as they see fit. When white pioneers were the most valuable demographic they were the prize pets of Ottowa. When they became too demanding Ottowa moved on to serenading the First Nations as a wedge population. When the Natives started demanding material results for their fealty Ottowa moved on to immigrants. And now that settled immigrant populations are starting to realize that they're being used Ottowa is desperately trying to bring in different immigrants to keep the plebs under control. Because ultimately Ottowa just wants their taxes and GDP statistics, the actual well-being of the various denizens of Canada is a distant secondary, if not tertiary concern to them.

The irony of ironies, Canada is still a colony, just now one of Ottowa rather than London. Ironically enough, London was the gentler overlord.
 
Basically, we have a de facto two nation system here in Canada. The Laurentian core, and the rest of Canada. And even if Quebec were to separate tomorrow (unlikely at this point), there's still Ontario to consider. I guess the ones who helped formed Canada had thought about avoiding the same cluster fudge that the US was. However, it turned out to be just as bad, if not worse. The worst thing that could happen would be if the immigrants, Natives, and white old stocks had actually United against the Canadian government, then they'd be the game changer the Laurentian elites don't want to deal with, hence the divide and conquer strategy.
 
Basically, we have a de facto two nation system here in Canada. The Laurentian core, and the rest of Canada. And even if Quebec were to separate tomorrow (unlikely at this point), there's still Ontario to consider. I guess the ones who helped formed Canada had thought about avoiding the same cluster fudge that the US was. However, it turned out to be just as bad, if not worse. The worst thing that could happen would be if the immigrants, Natives, and white old stocks had actually United against the Canadian government, then they'd be the game changer the Laurentian elites don't want to deal with, hence the divide and conquer strategy.

The west was long treated literally like a resource colony for Toronto and Montreal. I do think one reason Ottawa is so determined to impose these carbon taxes is to crush the rising power of Alberta.
 
The west was long treated literally like a resource colony for Toronto and Montreal. I do think one reason Ottawa is so determined to impose these carbon taxes is to crush the rising power of Alberta.
Plus Saskatchewan as well. Manitoba and BC would go along like brain-dead simps.
 



Basically things in canada are fucked and Wokeness has made it happen.


I’m more surprised that a mainstream media outlet made this. Because that’s one heck of an admission.

Then again, I suppose you can only lie so much before the facade becomes so transparent that it’s not worth trying to defend any more.
 
Eh. this is just the tech cartels thinking they are untouchable.
I give it good odds that the Canadian dictators will try to save face by giving the tech cartels a smackdown.
Not certain though.

Not really. This is the Canadian government massively overreaching and disliking the expected consequences of that overreach.

If Facebook complied with the Canadian law then FB/Meta would be losing money in the Canadian market and it would encourage other governments around the world to do the same thing. Seeing as the US government is a piece of shit that is utterly unwilling to stand up for US companies against foreign government action (see all the anti-competitive BS that the EU keeps pushing without any meaningful US response), the corporations are left to fend for themselves.

And news flash, the vast majority of all of the major tech companies profits come from the US market.

Take the UK's policy on end to end encryption. Apple will flat out leave the UK market before they comply with the UK's demands, because if they do comply then they destroy one of their brands core selling points in the rest of the world just so they can retain access to a relatively small market. Or they cut off the UK and spend a few dozen million on marketing to make sure that everyone in the UK is aware of the fact that the reason they can't get Apple products is because Apple refused to let their government use Apple to spy on them.

This whole shit fest in Canada is the same kind of thing. The government is trying to extract money from a foreign corporation to give to its local friends and then acts affronted when the foreign company just takes their ball and goes home.

1. the tech cartels want canada, it is important to them to control ever more countries. Both for profit and for power.
No, they really don't. Canada is a nice market and all else being equal, they would prefer to have access to it. But for the bottom line its a drop in the bucket and really isn't worth the costs that the government is trying to impose.
2. Govt can impose fines bigger than the taxes they are trying to evade
And suddenly Canada finds that any time they want anything done in the US they are running into massive opposition because Meta/Google/Amazon/etc. dropped a combined few billion on lobbying and marketing campaigns. Canada is already a shit place to do business, these kinds of antics just make it even more of a shit place to deal with.
3. Canada and USA have extradition treaty. so canada can absolutely go after owners of tech cartels and have them extradited to stand trial in canada.
Good luck. If Canada wants to turn itself into a pariah state that no business will touch or interact with them all they have to do is try and extradite Zuckerberg over this. Seriously, try that any NO major US company will touch the Canadian market place. The possible returns simply don't justify the risks.
4. if the tech cartel fully leaves canada, canada can seize its canadian assets, revoke its patents, and release its source code. or use it to create govt controlled and owned clone.

Their Canadian assets amount to a few server farms (if that). They don't hold Canadian patents and don't have access to the relevant source code either. Those actions would also be USMCA violations and get Canada into a full blown trade war with the US - which Canada would lose.
5. even if canada is not willing to go after google directly. they can absolutely just pick open source software to make their own local alternative backed by the govt to offer those services to the canadian consumer. And would probably be very happy to. As it gives them china like control over social media.

basically, canada has all the control here. ... in theory.

In practice the bigger question though is what rules the deep state has over it.
would canadian oligarchs playing hardball with google, a tool of the western oligarchy, result in them turning on him or not.

Canada really doesn't have the control. Canada is a piss ant tiny nation whose economic and political worth is almost entirely tied up with its position as a US appendage. Try to pick a fight with Google and Google would crush Canada.

Turn off Gmail for every Canadian IP, go and open source all of Google's data on Canadian government officials (i.e. the full contents of their Gmail accounts). Cut off YouTube to Canada. Cut off Google search. Change the Google algorithm so that any search for Canada or Canada related things suddenly returns the worst results.

And the kicker? If things reached that point then Google would have *allies*. Suddenly there is no Amazon Web Services, or Google Cloud, or Microsoft Azure in Canada or available to any Canadian company. Suddenly there are no MS Windows licenses sold to Canada. Suddenly Visa and Mastercard no longer work in Canada. Suddenly there is no Google Play Store or iTunes in Canada. Suddenly Canadian exports find that they aren't being welcomed into the US market because doing business with Canada has become politically toxic in the US.

If Canada pushes too far against any one US company (or even all of them) then it will suddenly find that every US multinational is willing to stand in solidarity and torch the Canadian economy because they are all fully aware that if they let Canada get away with its BS once against one of them then Canada will do it to all of them in time.

And Canada is a nation of less than 40 million people, many of whom would be opposed to their governments antics. And its a nation where the US corporations are very aware of how to manipulate the information space. They would also be at least passively assisted by the US government.
 
Not really. This is the Canadian government massively overreaching and disliking the expected consequences of that overreach.

If Facebook complied with the Canadian law then FB/Meta would be losing money in the Canadian market and it would encourage other governments around the world to do the same thing. Seeing as the US government is a piece of shit that is utterly unwilling to stand up for US companies against foreign government action (see all the anti-competitive BS that the EU keeps pushing without any meaningful US response), the corporations are left to fend for themselves.

And news flash, the vast majority of all of the major tech companies profits come from the US market.

Take the UK's policy on end to end encryption. Apple will flat out leave the UK market before they comply with the UK's demands, because if they do comply then they destroy one of their brands core selling points in the rest of the world just so they can retain access to a relatively small market. Or they cut off the UK and spend a few dozen million on marketing to make sure that everyone in the UK is aware of the fact that the reason they can't get Apple products is because Apple refused to let their government use Apple to spy on them.

This whole shit fest in Canada is the same kind of thing. The government is trying to extract money from a foreign corporation to give to its local friends and then acts affronted when the foreign company just takes their ball and goes home.


No, they really don't. Canada is a nice market and all else being equal, they would prefer to have access to it. But for the bottom line its a drop in the bucket and really isn't worth the costs that the government is trying to impose.

And suddenly Canada finds that any time they want anything done in the US they are running into massive opposition because Meta/Google/Amazon/etc. dropped a combined few billion on lobbying and marketing campaigns. Canada is already a shit place to do business, these kinds of antics just make it even more of a shit place to deal with.

Good luck. If Canada wants to turn itself into a pariah state that no business will touch or interact with them all they have to do is try and extradite Zuckerberg over this. Seriously, try that any NO major US company will touch the Canadian market place. The possible returns simply don't justify the risks.


Their Canadian assets amount to a few server farms (if that). They don't hold Canadian patents and don't have access to the relevant source code either. Those actions would also be USMCA violations and get Canada into a full blown trade war with the US - which Canada would lose.


Canada really doesn't have the control. Canada is a piss ant tiny nation whose economic and political worth is almost entirely tied up with its position as a US appendage. Try to pick a fight with Google and Google would crush Canada.

Turn off Gmail for every Canadian IP, go and open source all of Google's data on Canadian government officials (i.e. the full contents of their Gmail accounts). Cut off YouTube to Canada. Cut off Google search. Change the Google algorithm so that any search for Canada or Canada related things suddenly returns the worst results.

And the kicker? If things reached that point then Google would have *allies*. Suddenly there is no Amazon Web Services, or Google Cloud, or Microsoft Azure in Canada or available to any Canadian company. Suddenly there are no MS Windows licenses sold to Canada. Suddenly Visa and Mastercard no longer work in Canada. Suddenly there is no Google Play Store or iTunes in Canada. Suddenly Canadian exports find that they aren't being welcomed into the US market because doing business with Canada has become politically toxic in the US.

If Canada pushes too far against any one US company (or even all of them) then it will suddenly find that every US multinational is willing to stand in solidarity and torch the Canadian economy because they are all fully aware that if they let Canada get away with its BS once against one of them then Canada will do it to all of them in time.

And Canada is a nation of less than 40 million people, many of whom would be opposed to their governments antics. And its a nation where the US corporations are very aware of how to manipulate the information space. They would also be at least passively assisted by the US government.
Most sensible Canadians, that is. The ones that are diehard Libs or NDP fanatics would definitely be in favor of screwing big tech, for shits and giggles. Although I would actually be in favor of watching Canada lose in a trade war that could potentially lead to the ouster of the Trudeau regime.
 
My worry is this pushes Canada to reach out to China and become closer to them

You mean closer then they already are?

Because I’m not going to be surprised if the US ends in annexing Canada at this rate.


:p
 

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