'Climate Change' and the coming 'Climate Lockdown'

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This seems like it's just having a pond with extra steps... and requiring more energy since it's not powered by the sun... and having less actual utility than a real pond which would also provide a pleasant environment for humans to rest and look at, and provide for animals, fish, and birds to have a water supply.

Actually I'm struggling to see why you wouldn't just add more water features to your city instead and drawing a blank. Unless the point is to funnel taxpayer money into a vanity project so that the right donor class people get it instead of filthy peasants who want trees and water gardens.
 
Bear Ribs said:
This seems like it's just having a pond with extra steps... and requiring more energy since it's not powered by the sun... and having less actual utility than a real pond which would also provide a pleasant environment for humans to rest and look at, and provide for animals, fish, and birds to have a water supply.

Actually I'm struggling to see why you wouldn't just add more water features to your city instead and drawing a blank. Unless the point is to funnel taxpayer money into a vanity project so that the right donor class people get it instead of filthy peasants who want trees and water gardens.
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Also as a way to launder money and pay off certain companies. After-all who is making the things and why were they chosen?
 
Bear Ribs said:
This seems like it's just having a pond with extra steps... and requiring more energy since it's not powered by the sun... and having less actual utility than a real pond which would also provide a pleasant environment for humans to rest and look at, and provide for animals, fish, and birds to have a water supply.

Actually I'm struggling to see why you wouldn't just add more water features to your city instead and drawing a blank. Unless the point is to funnel taxpayer money into a vanity project so that the right donor class people get it instead of filthy peasants who want trees and water gardens.
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The tanks don't evaporate, ponds will, and these also don't end up with the needles and waste of homeless drug addicts in them.

These algea tanks are a practical, scalable concept for both carbon uptake and oxygen generation in large urban areas that don't have some of the...side-issues many urban ponds face in their life-time.

It is also good proof-of-concept for oxygen generation/filtration-via algea tanks on space-vessels.
Typhonis said:
Also as a way to launder money and pay off certain companies. After-all who is making the things and why were they chosen?
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See what I said above about homeless drug addicts and needles/human-waste.
 
Bacle said:
The tanks don't evaporate, ponds will, and these also don't end up with the needles and waste of homeless drug addicts in them.

These algea tanks are a practical, scalable concept for both carbon uptake and oxygen generation in large urban areas that don't have some of the...side-issues many urban ponds face in their life-time.

It is also good proof-of-concept for oxygen generation/filtration-via algea tanks on space-vessels.

See what I said above about homeless drug addicts and needles/human-waste.
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As somebody who operates an aquaponic, I know a bit about how these things work. If these liquid trees genuinely don't evaporate, they also have no access to the outside air to remove carbon, it doesn't work that way. There's also a zero percent chance these liquid trees don't need constant water changes to add nutrients and remove wastes, something a pond does for itself automatically. Also ponds take in rainwater and properly build, don't need that much water put in unless you're building them in, like southern Arizona or something.

As far as needles/human waste, they don't appear to be placing these in bad neighborhoods from the pictures. If they were, the liquid tree's going to wind up vandalized, the glass cracked and leaking liquid tree everywhere, and probably peed and shat on in short order anyway. This isn't an argument against ponds and trees in the city, it's an argument to do better with the homeless situation.
 
Bacle said:
The tanks don't evaporate, ponds will, and these also don't end up with the needles and waste of homeless drug addicts in them.

These algea tanks are a practical, scalable concept for both carbon uptake and oxygen generation in large urban areas that don't have some of the...side-issues many urban ponds face in their life-time.

It is also good proof-of-concept for oxygen generation/filtration-via algea tanks on space-vessels.

See what I said above about homeless drug addicts and needles/human-waste.
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Let's be honest, it's an expensive tech show piece that exists to virtue signal. The local geographic, nevermind planetary effect, is not going to be meaningful even if every city in the world spent few percent of its budget on building and maintaining these.
Is there any calculation to the contrary?
Leave this stuff to NASA and SpaceX.
 
Bear Ribs said:
As somebody who operates an aquaponic, I know a bit about how these things work. If these liquid trees genuinely don't evaporate, they also have no access to the outside air to remove carbon, it doesn't work that way.
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I thought they were using membranes to keep water loss via transpiration, rather than direct evaporation, to a minimum.

I was also unaware these algea produced noticeable waste; I thought they were using algea closer to rock lichen, not pond-algea.
Plus, as mentioned, you don't have to wait for natural growth to get a mature tree with this method.

Actually, sounds like they may be using the same 'green solar cell' strains of organisms, which also have high conductivity. So these may also double as 'green' solar cells down the line.

That sort of dual-use is very, very nice to have.
Bear Ribs said:
There's also a zero percent chance these liquid trees don't need constant water changes to add nutrients and remove wastes, something a pond does for itself automatically. Also ponds take in rainwater and properly build, don't need that much water put in unless you're building them in, like southern Arizona or something.
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I'm not sure, depends on what genetics they are using, and the stuff sounds like it's that 'green solar cell' stuff I mentioned above.
Bear Ribs said:
As far as needles/human waste, they don't appear to be placing these in bad neighborhoods from the pictures. If they were, the liquid tree's going to wind up vandalized, the glass cracked and leaking liquid tree everywhere, and probably peed and shat on in short order anyway. This isn't an argument against ponds and trees in the city, it's an argument to do better with the homeless situation.
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I agree it's more a homeless issue, but it's also a practical consideration for building new ponds in built up areas.
Marduk said:
Let's be honest, it's an expensive tech show piece that exists to virtue signal. The local geographic, nevermind planetary effect, is not going to be meaningful even if every city in the world spent few percent of its budget on building and maintaining these.
Is there any calculation to the contrary?
Leave this stuff to NASA and SpaceX.
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As I said above, it seems like these may also be the 'green solar cell' variety of algea, so their may be a justifiable dual-use to them.

Also, if Belgrade wants to get into the space game, I say let them. ESA could use all the help it can get, and since ESA like's Dreamchaser, I have a soft spot for the Euro's who want to get into space. Poland needs to get into the game too.
 
Bacle said:
I thought they were using membranes to keep water loss via transpiration, rather than direct evaporation, to a minimum.

I was also unaware these algea produced noticeable waste; I thought they were using algea closer to rock lichen, not pond-algea.
Plus, as mentioned, you don't have to wait for natural growth to get a mature tree with this method.

Actually, sounds like they may be using the same 'green solar cell' strains of organisms, which also have high conductivity. So these may also double as 'green' solar cells down the line.

That sort of dual-use is very, very nice to have.

]I'm not sure, depends on what genetics they are using, and the stuff sounds like it's that 'green solar cell' stuff I mentioned above.

I agree it's more a homeless issue, but it's also a practical consideration for building new ponds in built up areas.

As I said above, it seems like these may also be the 'green solar cell' variety of algea, so their may be a justifiable dual-use to them.

Also, if Belgrade wants to get into the space game, I say let them. ESA could use all the help it can get, and since ESA like's Dreamchaser, I have a soft spot for the Euro's who want to get into space. Poland needs to get into the game too.
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They're not using any special genetic material and it's not some sort of algae solar-panel, in fact it needs its own solar panels for power to its pumps (and a USB port) and the algae is just random pond scum they scooped out of a nearby freshwater lake.

worldbiomarketinsights.com

A Liquid Tree? Scientists in Serbia Make Incredible Innovation - World Bio Market Insights

Planting trees in forests is a commonly used strategy for companies and governments to lower CO2 in the air. But what can we do in dense cities where there’s barely any space for a bush? After all, these urban sites are where the pollution is concentrated. Fortunately, a group of Serbian...
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Dr. Ivan Spasojevic also explained that “the Institute used single-celled freshwater algae, which exist in ponds and lakes in Serbia and can grow in tap water, and are resistant to high and low temperatures. The system does not require special maintenance – it is enough to remove the biomass created by dividing algae, which can be used as an excellent fertilizer, in a month and a half, pour new water and minerals, and the algae continue to grow indefinitely.

It looks like their big focus is actually fitting it into a smaller footprint, which I'll grant does actually solve some problems ponds don't answer though it also doesn't provide most of the actual benefits real trees do, as pointed out. It certainly isn't saving water if they have to repeatedly scoop out and replace the water and nutrients.
 
Bear Ribs said:
They're not using any special genetic material and it's not some sort of algae solar-panel, in fact it needs its own solar panels for power to its pumps (and a USB port) and the algae is just random pond scum they scooped out of a nearby freshwater lake.

worldbiomarketinsights.com

A Liquid Tree? Scientists in Serbia Make Incredible Innovation - World Bio Market Insights

Planting trees in forests is a commonly used strategy for companies and governments to lower CO2 in the air. But what can we do in dense cities where there’s barely any space for a bush? After all, these urban sites are where the pollution is concentrated. Fortunately, a group of Serbian...
worldbiomarketinsights.com worldbiomarketinsights.com

Dr. Ivan Spasojevic also explained that “the Institute used single-celled freshwater algae, which exist in ponds and lakes in Serbia and can grow in tap water, and are resistant to high and low temperatures. The system does not require special maintenance – it is enough to remove the biomass created by dividing algae, which can be used as an excellent fertilizer, in a month and a half, pour new water and minerals, and the algae continue to grow indefinitely.

It looks like their big focus is actually fitting it into a smaller footprint, which I'll grant does actually solve some problems ponds don't answer though it also doesn't provide most of the actual benefits real trees do, as pointed out. It certainly isn't saving water if they have to repeatedly scoop out and replace the water and nutrients.
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Hmm, ok, the original articles made it sound like they were using something fancier and were trying to market the algae as something that can be used for green battery/green solar cell tech down the road.

And yes, if they have to go in to scoop out algea and refresh nutreints, then it is does have the same issues as other aquaponics.
 
Planning cities with more greenery is one way to go.

Solar works, but granted my panels were bought on sale used from e-Bay. 450W maximum, I set it up myself on an old C-band satellite dish post in the back so you can angle and spin the array (six panels) around during the year, and all they do is handle warm-tone LED lights, a small 12V freezer (so by extension a cooler-box), and running water with a 12V Shur-Flo pump down the well I also use with the regular one. That's three bases covered, but I'm one person with one small dog. But it DOES work, and if those energy experiments ever work there is a HUGE way to help with climate change.

Rather than big often know-nothing government each of us can do more to REALLY deal with the problem. It can be done, but only by the "regular guy."
 
Climate-change being real or not is a drop in the bucket compared to pollution.
The planet can handle temperatures being odd, species have lived through much worse conditions than today, and they'll continue to live with worse conditions.
But the planet and humans are not capable of handling crap like microplastics and other toxic wastes being dumped all over the place.
Sure is strange how environmentalists are more than happy to ditch their car to 'save the planet', only to buy the latest iphone every year. I wonder where all those phones end up...
 
Bear Ribs said:
Dr. Ivan Spasojevic also explained that “the Institute used single-celled freshwater algae, which exist in ponds and lakes in Serbia and can grow in tap water, and are resistant to high and low temperatures. The system does not require special maintenance – it is enough to remove the biomass created by dividing algae, which can be used as an excellent fertilizer, in a month and a half, pour new water and minerals, and the algae continue to grow indefinitely.
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kek.
so yea... unlike a tree or a pond. this requires constant maintenance.
"only" once every month and a half you need to remove half the algea
and it requires new water and mineral blend poured in regularly.
I bet they are going to sell this mineral blend to the city too.
ThatZenoGuy said:
But the planet and humans are not capable of handling crap like microplastics and other toxic wastes being dumped all over the place.
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Actually, it can.
A bunch of bacteria evolved the ability to digest plastics.
And the only reason we have "microplastics" is because it turns out that the lies we were told about "plastic never decays" are just that, lies. microplastic is a transitionary state of plastic decay.

bigger actual issue is the effect on human health of microplastics in our bodies.
 
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mrttao said:
Actually, it can.
A bunch of bacteria evolved the ability to digest plastics.
And the only reason we have "microplastics" is because it turns out that the lies we were told about "plastic never decays" are just that, lies. microplastic is a transitionary state of plastic decay. the result of such decay.

bigger actual issue is the effect on human health of microplastics in our bodies.
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Where are those bacteria found? Given enough time I'm sure every place will have critters chewing on plastic to survive.
But will that be quick enough before everything that crawls has so much plastic in their balls that they stop working?
 
ThatZenoGuy said:
Where are those bacteria found? Given enough time I'm sure every place will have critters chewing on plastic to survive.
But will that be quick enough before everything that crawls has so much plastic in their balls that they stop working?
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that bacteria is found pretty much everywhere.
they even had problems with Mir space station with plastic eating bacteria

Even a random canadian teen doing a highschool science project was easily able to just find some
www.csmonitor.com

Canadian teen discovers plastic-bag-devouring microbe

As part of a science fair project, a Canadian teenager has come up with a way to get plastic shopping bags, which normally take up to 1,000 years t
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As for balls... there are many far more likely candidates for the low testosterone of modern men.
1. excessive masturbation with the normalization of porn
2. estrogen in the water supply.
3. pestecides in the water known to cause related problems such as atrazine. see:



Although to be honest, it is most likely a combination of all those things. Rather than just one singular issue.
That is usually how it works in biology. many minor problems compound together.

Also. kinda annoying that they keep on bitching at us to stop using plastics when it won't do jack shit for all the plastic already in the environment.
and when research shows that you can 100% eliminate all microplastic in water via correct treatment of the water.

Removal of microplastics from wastewater through electrocoagulation-electroflotation and membrane filtration processes | Water Science & Technology | IWA Publishing

HIGHLIGHTS. One of the few laboratory-scale studies on microplastics removal.First study on microplastic removal by electrocoagulation.1-year average result dat
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which would remove the vast majority of microplastic consumed by humans

Instead of all the bullshit they are doing, the EPA should be making sure that all water treatment plants in america are filtering microplastics.
 
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