Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

BlackDragon98 said:

When Ramzan fulfills his promises and marches down Warsaw like the old days, I will laugh. For Ramzan is a guy who keeps his promises.

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O means we go into fantasies? Good I want too.

So hocus pocus, in the year 2068 I see a newspaper. On this newspaper It says on the front page

First Secretary of the Union of Socialist States of America Michael Trudeao says that the famine in Ottawa is an anti-American invention coming from fascist Poland.

And on the second page I see the news, riots on the Polish-Chinese border. It went over who owns Mongolia, after a sharp discussion there was a shootout in which 3 Poles and 44 Chinese were killed. Greater Commowealth President Michal Miałczynski warns that if the situation is repeated, humanitarian aid will turn into brotherly aid to the oppressed Chinese nation.

On another I see how a notorious war criminal from the Ukraine-Russia war, who has been in hiding for many years, Ramses Kadyrov, was sentenced to death by hanging on a hook.

Ukraine's well-known national hero Vladimir Zelenski declares that on behalf of the brotherly Ukrainian nation he thanks the Poles for catching and punishing Kadyrov.
In turn, we recalls old jokes about Kadyrov's threats to walk around Warsaw, saying that Poles first came to Grozny after which they brought Kadyrov to Warsaw in shackles.

Ramzan touching Poland is an act of war.
Do it and see what US is like in unrestricted full scalecwar

BlackDragon98 said:

No, Poland and the rest of NATO provoked this war. Russia gave them several chances to stop or back down. NATO proceeds to spit in their faces.

When Ramzan fulfills his promises and marches down Warsaw like the old days, I will laugh. For Ramzan is a guy who keeps his promises.

Europe is out of military gear, out of gas, and out of time.

The end of the American puppetism in Europe is near.

And with it, the end of globo homo, the WEF, and the twisted, sick monstrosity that is now the EU.

EDIT: This will be my final post here for some time. Just remember this: TIME WILL TELL.

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Right…we all have our fantasies, don’t we??

Time will definitely tell. See ya!

Marduk said:

What's with the scaremongering? If you're from Southern Europe, how the fuck are you panicking about freezing in the cold more than Poles or even Scandinavians? Got dragged by econuts into Putin trust based gas heating or what?

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You do know that not all of Southern Europe is costantly summer ? You do know many regions of Southern European countries are not entirely like Sicily, Andalusia or Algarve?

You do know that any attempt at a discussion at leaving the UE or NATO gets shut down by the political elite of all those countries?

You know our leaders are NATO sellout puppets unlike Poland ?

So, we are in this together (unwillingly unlike Warsaw). So yeah, I rather you not piss the bear further.

TheRejectionist said:

You do know that not all of Southern Europe is costantly summer ? You do know many regions of Southern European countries are not entirely like Sicily, Andalusia or Algarve?

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Still nothing on Scandinavia.

TheRejectionist said:

You do know that any attempt at a discussion at leaving the UE or NATO gets shut down by the political elite of all those countries?

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And what public support is there for that? It's mostly commies and random fringe right who take that seriously.

TheRejectionist said:

You know our leaders are NATO sellout puppets unlike Poland ?

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Lol, better than being a Putin sellout puppet.

TheRejectionist said:

Since other people exist beyond Bug and Odra rivers I rather Polska not use the stick , since that would mean Mediterrean Europe would be dragged into the fire with you.

But if you really wanna go murder-suicide or freeze in the cold (or both) do it on your own with the Baltics and the Ukraine since you guys are so eager to make Russia pay, pay with your own skin and blood.

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We have choice - die as Moscov slaves,or fight.So,we would fight.
But,if you want be kgbstan property,go for it.Nobody would stop you from becoming Moscov slave.Do not complain when they really do that - we would not die for cowards.

BlackDragon98 said:

No, Poland and the rest of NATO provoked this war. Russia gave them several chances to stop or back down. NATO proceeds to spit in their faces.

When Ramzan fulfills his promises and marches down Warsaw like the old days, I will laugh. For Ramzan is a guy who keeps his promises.

Europe is out of military gear, out of gas, and out of time.

The end of the American puppetism in Europe is near.

And with it, the end of globo homo, the WEF, and the twisted, sick monstrosity that is now the EU.

EDIT: This will be my final post here for some time. Just remember this: TIME WILL TELL.

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Biden told 19.02.22 that small agression would not be punished.He still do not send real help becouse he want agreement with Moscov.
If NATO really provoked war,they would be fighting near Moscov now.

Ramzan is just average thug,and you lnew that.He would take Warsaw only if we agree to gave all of our weapons to Moscov.
Becouse he is unable to fight somebody who fight back.

Europe in not out of gas,so once green idiots go,we would be OK.Even better for us.

Biden wonted abadonn Europe to Moscov - but Putin heroically prevented that.I hope,that nobody would kill him.If Moscov made peace and widraw now,then they could take all in ,let say,2025,if USA really would go out.

Putin is part of globohomo - Schwalbe boasted in 2017,that his politicall pupils are Macron.Merkel and Putin.They are all monsters - and,it is very good,that they fighting now.

And TIME WILL TELL - in 2030 Europe would be ruined,but leftist and KGB would be gone.Those who survive would have good time.

Tiamat said:

Super soldiers??

Say what???

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Last time I checked. the Ukranians didn't get Santee and Lakota DNA spliced into them.

Is that a short or long term issue in regards to production to get them back?

Arch Dornan said:

Dutch military reaching limits of what it can give Ukraine

The Dutch military is reaching the limit of what it can do to support Ukraine with equipment. The Defense warehouses are getting empty, State Secretary Christophe van der Maat of Defense said in an interview with AD. The Netherlands wants to help, he said. “But our garage is not infinitely full...

nltimes.nl

Is that a short or long term issue in regards to production to get them back?

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Netherlands had about five hundred YPR-765's, an M113 Variant, in storage and apparently donated a considerable number to Ukraine. It was enough for Ukraine to form a Mechanized Brigade around (along with donated T-72M Tanks from Poland/Czech Republic). They also gave them Howitzers that have been in storage for decades as well as five modern German made PzH 2000 SPG's (which were also apparently in storage due to budget cuts).

Any heavy weapons they likely give now would be from their actual active military stocks. Netherlands sold most of their tanks to Finland and only jointly operated a few with Germany. So if the Netherlands were to give more heavy weapons and vehicles they'd likely need a replacement sooner or later. And since Netherlands is small they can't give away too much without losing capability (even if it's not in demand much deployment wise).

Arch Dornan said:

Dutch military reaching limits of what it can give Ukraine

The Dutch military is reaching the limit of what it can do to support Ukraine with equipment. The Defense warehouses are getting empty, State Secretary Christophe van der Maat of Defense said in an interview with AD. The Netherlands wants to help, he said. “But our garage is not infinitely full...

nltimes.nl

Is that a short or long term issue in regards to production to get them back?

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It's true that they did what they could. Netherlands have a rather underfunded, 1.4% GDP military, so they had some spare gear in storage left over from their larger Cold War era military warehoused, like upgraded variants of the same M113's famously used in Vietnam, and a handful of expensive new SPH's they warehoused due to low budget. Of course they won't be replacing that, they weren't using it in the first place. They are mostly using far more modern Boxers and CV90's for their AFV needs now.
Netherlands probably felt a need to dig deep because most of the victims of MH17 downing were their citizens.
The point here is that if they are out of unused stuff to give, anything more would mean disbanding own units.

Bacle said:

We are now 'open' to selling/giving Ukraine A-10s.

They probably won't see the end of the war there, but they can definitely go out doing what they were meant to do, blasting the fuck out of Russian tank columns and artillery units.

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lol. They'll be quickly shot from the sky by russian aircraft or AA

AnimalNoodles said:

lol. They'll be quickly shot from the sky by russian aircraft or AA

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Like the old ass Su-25's with less upgrades that are still somehow flying, just with restriction to low risk areas?

Marduk said:

Like the old ass Su-25's with less upgrades that are still somehow flying, just with restriction to low risk areas?

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Old Ass SU 25s still fly alot faster.

AnimalNoodles said:

Old Ass SU 25s still fly alot faster.

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We were over this already somewhere. They don't fly a lot faster, they fly about a third faster in clean configuration which a CAS jet would have no reason to fly into combat with, the difference is lower in loaded configurations, good luck hitting anything with unguided weapons at max speed, and that difference means jack shit for any modernish AA weapons meant to deal with far faster planes.

Marduk said:

We were over this already somewhere. They don't fly a lot faster, they fly about a third faster in clean configuration which a CAS jet would have no reason to fly into combat with, the difference is lower in loaded configurations, good luck hitting anything with unguided weapons at max speed, and that difference means jack shit for any modernish AA weapons meant to deal with far faster planes.

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Honestly faster seems to be worse for avoiding the AA unless it is stealth.
Most drones are slow moving..

Marduk said:

It's true that they did what they could. Netherlands have a rather underfunded, 1.4% GDP military, so they had some spare gear in storage left over from their larger Cold War era military warehoused, like upgraded variants of the same M113's famously used in Vietnam, and a handful of expensive new SPH's they warehoused due to low budget. Of course they won't be replacing that, they weren't using it in the first place. They are mostly using far more modern Boxers and CV90's for their AFV needs now.
Netherlands probably felt a need to dig deep because most of the victims of MH17 downing were their citizens.
The point here is that if they are out of unused stuff to give, anything more would mean disbanding own units.

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How bad is it if faced with an actual invasion? A near collapse?

I don't believe that will happen. More than likely if there's another problem overseas the Netherlands have no more arms or troops to give. On the other hand if shit does get real with internal problems the military will be crippled to handle that.

Arch Dornan said:

How bad is it if faced with an actual invasion? A near collapse?

I don't believe that will happen. More than likely if there's another problem overseas the Netherlands have no more arms or troops to give. On the other hand if shit does get real with internal problems the military will be crippled to handle that.

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What invasion? By who, and how did they get past Poland and Germany?
And old ass M113's aren't something their quick reaction/expeditionary forces would use pretty much ever, if anything can possibly get that bad for their ex-colonial adventures it's way past time to beg for USMC help.

Marduk said:

What invasion? By who, and how did they get past Poland and Germany?
And old ass M113's aren't something their quick reaction/expeditionary forces would use pretty much ever, if anything can possibly get that bad for their ex-colonial adventures it's way past time to beg for USMC help.

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A hypothetical one by anyone invading them including their neighbors but it's unlikely at this time maybe until the whole world does actually go to shit but we haven't reached that point.

What's more likely is internal issues that get out of control the military isn't equipped enough to handle the situation.

Arch Dornan said:

A hypothetical one by anyone invading them including their neighbors but it's unlikely at this time maybe until the whole world does actually go to shit but we haven't reached that point.

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Hypothetical? By neighbors? Like Germany? Oh well, in that case they are completely screwed as that's a pretty damn big neighbor. And a bit of cold war era stuff changes nothing.
Unless Belgium goes berserk for some reason

Arch Dornan said:

What's more likely is internal issues that get out of control the military isn't equipped enough to handle the situation.

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It's Netherlands we are talking about, not China.