SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade

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Well, I guess we'll see, but I don't get the feeling that a riot is forthcoming. Usually the left likes to hide behind things like racial issues, because it makes it impossible for the right to call them out on their behavior, because white antifa terrorists will hide behind black people and declare it racist. And pro-abortion stance is more popular with white people than black.

You also have to keep in mind that 2020 was also when lockdowns started kicking into place. People were feeling frightened, isolated, and wanted to lash back against the world. It was easier to rile people up then than it would be now, for something that doesn't directly affect them.
 

Stargazer

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See, I do. We are just going to have to agree to disagree here.

I think we may have a more fundamental disagreement about the value of human life itself.

No, it wasn't killed. It was extracted, and they failed to save it's life.

Killing something is any action that directly results in the death of that thing. Abortion kills an unborn child, a human being - it's often killed before being extracted, and there is no attempt to save its life, often no possibility of it.

It's morally acceptable to kick them off. You should do it in the least harmful way possible, so if you got a way off like a boat, give them a ride off. But if there is no way off the island, then yes, you can tell them to go swim and if they don't, shoot them.

There is no way to leave the island, and survive, in this scenario. I don't think it's morally permissible to shoot the sailor. That is unjustly taking the life of another human being. It would be wrong, and it would be evil.

A person who keeps a slave in bondage holds responsibility. You, by forcing the rape victim to carry to term, hold responsibility for that.

I would not be forcing anything. I do not need to force them to carry the unborn child in order for it to happen, it is already happening. Forcing someone to take an action is not the same as preventing someone from taking an action. Preventing a mother from killing her unborn child is the latter.
 

Wolf of Arrakis

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From the perspective of a moderate pro-lifer (I believe that abortion should only be an option in cases of rape, incest and if the mother's life is in danger) the repeal isn't shocking really (especially given the current line-up of SCOTUS) but this isn't an end all to the abortion debate if anything the debate will escalate further. I will continue to monitor the situation.
 

LordsFire

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See, I do. We are just going to have to agree to disagree here.

No, it wasn't killed. It was extracted, and they failed to save it's life.

See, it isn't a killing the way I put it. It's extracting and failing to save.

You are showing a fundamental disregard for human life.

The reason that the woman is in an ugly situation is because of a crime. That crime was rape, one of the three most heinous crimes a person can commit. If it wasn't doing nasty things to someone, putting them in a painful situation, it wouldn't be a crime.

The fact that a crime was committed against her, does not remove the baby's rights and value as a human being.

So now you have a sub-optimal situation, where there is no good option, because someone committed rape. We have no ideal way out of this situation.

We now have two options in this situation:

1: The woman suffers through months of increasing discomfort and impairment, culminating in the painful process of giving birth.
2: Commit murder.

Clearly neither of these is good.

Equally clearly one is objectively worse than the other in all ways.

When you are in a sub-optimal situation, you have a moral and legal obligation to choose the least-bad outcome. And the least-bad outcome here is not murder.

This is pretty basic moral reasoning. You don't need a degree in philosophy to understand these concepts.
 

Stargazer

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You are showing a fundamental disregard for human life.

The reason that the woman is in an ugly situation is because of a crime. That crime was rape, one of the three most heinous crimes a person can commit. If it wasn't doing nasty things to someone, putting them in a painful situation, it wouldn't be a crime.

The fact that a crime was committed against her, does not remove the baby's rights and value as a human being.

So now you have a sub-optimal situation, where there is no good option, because someone committed rape. We have no ideal way out of this situation.

We now have two options in this situation:

1: The woman suffers through months of increasing discomfort and impairment, culminating in the painful process of giving birth.
2: Commit murder.

Clearly neither of these is good.

Equally clearly one is objectively worse than the other in all ways.

When you are in a sub-optimal situation, you have a moral and legal obligation to choose the least-bad outcome. And the least-bad outcome here is not murder.

This is pretty basic moral reasoning. You don't need a degree in philosophy to understand these concepts.

A lot of people with degrees in philosophy apparently don't understand these concepts.

 

lloyd007

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Not major rioting but some by idiots. Biden was just on the news saying “violence will not be tolerated.” Because he sees what the crazies are up too. While people rightly call him senile. He is the a career politician. He can still see signs and the how wind is blowing.
Unfortunately for him the crazies you mentioned are attacking churches. That’s not a good a look. They were also stupid enough to start hitting Congressional offices.
If you take anything from Jan 6, it’s when you attack the people that matter, the middle class, Congress critters, etc things get real quickly.
The abortion thing is something would be a good mid term issue any other time or a Presidential election issue. There are two problems.
Gas is 5 dollars a gallon, inflation is high and the WhiteHouse doesn’t know how to handle it.
Counterpoint: Nothing happened to the left when that whackjob shot up the Republican congressional baseball team or Rand Paul's neighbor committed attempted murder.

It only ever goes one way.
 

Arch Dornan

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No, that isn't even a state issue. That's an individual right to self defense issue. A state can't decide you don't have the right to self defense.

Personally, I'm in favor of an abortion ban at around 8-9 weeks (when I believe life begins), but certainly not later. I do think there needs to be an exception for rape (and incest, as it's almost always rape), as the mother didn't consent to the sex, and thus has no duty towards the child. The obligation to carry the child comes from the mother consenting to sex.
There will be sanctuary states for them just like guns and illegal migrants regardless of your opinion. Illinois is strengthening theirs.
 

Duke Nukem

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lloyd007

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People in rural areas have guns, and these communities actually know each other, this is also the area that supplies the cities with food and supplies. In other words once the shock is over, there are going to be a whole lot of dead redditers if they try this.
Not only that, many rural folks have access to nitrates, tons and tons of nitrates.
 
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Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
There will be sanctuary states for them just like guns and illegal migrants regardless of your opinion. Illinois is strengthening theirs.
See?
 

Bear Ribs

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Someone's going for the Darwin Award.
But he's talking about sending 100 guys at once. Granted since they're from areas with severe gun control, they're probably going to be armed with bats and pipes and they can maybe throw bricks. But still, 100 guys, how could any country town with a measly several thousand hunters and farmers equipped with long arms and with a much higher percentage of military veterans hold up against that kind of onslaught?
 

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